Nicolò Zaniolo - AM RC - Galatasaray (17 Viewers)

[DanielSz]

Look at your own heatmap. He is basical non-existent in defense.... because he is not a fullback.

Nah look how much red is in his own half. Compare it to an actual winger, like Di Maria for example. There’s quite a contrast. He also averaged 1.4 tackles a game, that’s as much as Cuadrado.

 

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[j0ker]

you say he can’t pass yet he’s 90th percentile in assists, and 95th percentile in xA?

Check the post above you, we play either 4-3-3 or if we get Zaniolo 4-2-3-1 and yet you compare him with fullbacks.

Chiesa - Vlahovic - Di Maria

Where does Kostic fit in there? Bench.

 

[DanielSz]

Check the post above you, we play either 4-3-3 or if we get Zaniolo 4-2-3-1 and yet you compare him with fullbacks.

Chiesa - Vlahovic - Di Maria

Where does Kostic fit in there? Bench.

Those 90/95th percentile splits are against wingers, not fullbacks. So again, he fills a need; like who exactly is providing the service off that left flank currently? Chiesa won’t even be available in the beginning of the season and plays more advanced anyway

 

[j0ker]

Those 90/95th percentile splits are against wingers, not fullbacks. So again, he fills a need; like who exactly is providing the service off that left flank currently? Chiesa won’t even be available in the beginning of the season and plays more advanced anyway

He can attempt all day but his according to this he isn't good at it. Same with dribling. Chiesa will play on that left side, Kostic has no place at that point.

I don't mind him, but as I said he is hardly someone to be excited for. Unless we get excited for bench at most rotation players.

 

[JCK]

he was a LM/LWB last year, guessing thats where he’d play for Juve.

What is this picture called? I haven't seen such data before.

 

[Paolino]

What is this picture called? I haven't seen such data before.

heatmap

 

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but what about his xheatmap?

 

[Ronn]

It's not very complicated. Kostic is a left-sided player who hits crosses and we just bought a 70M striker who needs service. His price is low for the assists he can provide. Seems logical.

But he’s 29, which means he’s almost retired and moved to Florida.

 

[ilmetronome]

What makes you think that? We are bare-boned on the left flank.

Rather him than Zaniolo who'll spend the next 7 months in J-medical with his 3rd ACL

10/15 M loan for 2 years
30/35 M obligation to buy if he can play for at least 65/70 match in 2 years for us

Medium risk for us
No one should be certain that he will get his knee torn again or not

 

[Gagi]

Check the post above you, we play either 4-3-3 or if we get Zaniolo 4-2-3-1 and yet you compare him with fullbacks.

Chiesa - Vlahovic - Di Maria

Where does Kostic fit in there? Bench.

I don't get it, you're keep saying bench like we're not going to have injuries in the team and play the same XI every time. Chiesa is not fit, you can not expect Di Maria to play up to 3 times a week. We need depth on the left side. This guy's sole purpose is to attack directy, run down the left flank and feed the forwards. We need that.

 

[.zero]

Those 90/95th percentile splits are against wingers, not fullbacks. So again, he fills a need; like who exactly is providing the service off that left flank currently? Chiesa won’t even be available in the beginning of the season and plays more advanced anyway

 

[j0ker]

I don't get it, you're keep saying bench like we're not going to have injuries in the team and play the same XI every time. Chiesa is not fit, you can not expect Di Maria to play up to 3 times a week. We need depth on the left side. This guy's sole purpose is to attack directy, run down the left flank and feed the forwards. We need that.

I agree with that, I don't mind him at all as a rotational player (though unlike many here I don't claim that I knew him until two months ago) I just don't rate him enough to be our starter.

And to repeat my self, I can't get excited for a 29yo bench player unlike for Zaniolo whom I still rate a lot.

 

[JCK]

heatmap

 

[maxi]

And you know this based on what? Absolutely nothing. Stop spouting nonsense FFS!

Based on his injury record and our own recording of breaking players. Doesnt take a genius to figure that it's incredibly likely that he'll be riding the bench or the stands more so than Kostic

 

[Bianconero81]

Based on his injury record and our own recording of breaking players. Doesnt take a genius to figure that it's incredibly likely that he'll be riding the bench or the stands more so than Kostic

Again. Pure conjecture and speculation. Player A had two ACL injuries. Club B has butchers for doctors. Therefore, it logically follows that Player A will always be injured when joining club B. This is not a university lecture on logical inferences, so while there's a probability what you're saying might be true, you're basing future projections on past occurrences.

 

[maxi]

Again. Pure conjecture and speculation. Player A had two ACL injuries. Club B has butchers for doctors. Therefore, it logically follows that Player A will always be injured when joining club B. This is not a university lecture on logical inferences, so while there's a probability what you're saying might be true, you're basing future projections on past occurrences.

That's...literally how probabilities are calculated..
So back to my original point, professor b81, Zaniolo has a higher probability of getting injured than Kostic.

 

[Bianconero81]

That's...literally how probabilities are calculated..
So back to my original point, professor b81, Zaniolo has a higher probability of getting injured than Kostic.

Sure, but that's not what you said. You said he's going to spend 7 months injured after another ACL injury. Yes, he's more likely to get injured than Kostic, but here's the other side of the equation. Zaniolo is a lot younger and infinitely more talented, and therefore more likely to have an impact when he's available. Is he an injury risk? Absolutely? Should we give up on him because of his injuries? Absolutely not.

 

[Post Ironic]

Zaniolo > Kostic and it’s not close. Only sketchy factor is the knee issues.

 

[Amer]

Big loan fee with an option is the only way to go because of his injuries.

10 million loan + 30 million option...

 

[maxi]

Sure, but that's not what you said. You said he's going to spend 7 months injured after another ACL injury. Yes, he's more likely to get injured than Kostic, but here's the other side of the equation. Zaniolo is a lot younger and infinitely more talented, and therefore more likely to have an impact when he's available. Is he an injury risk? Absolutely? Should we give up on him because of his injuries? Absolutely not.

The way I see it is that he is an injury risk and we should look elsewhere for more reliable options. There is an array of talented wingers out there. I could perhaps understand your point if he was setting world-beating stats but that's not the case.
I'm not overly keen on the management to spend 40m on someone who may end up being another burden to this club and its finances, like much of our roster over the last 3 years. We need learn from our lesson and be more prudent when it comes to acquiring new players.
I'm also not saying Kostic should be the Zaniolo alternative. I believe that he, like Di Maria, are stopgap players who are simply there to temporarily fill those positions as we wait for next summer when we (hopefully) buy a proper winger. As of now we have too much on our plate to be thinking about these kind of luxuries.