Nicolò Rovella (17 Viewers)

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Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
27,412
Lets secure as many of those Italian DMs, as we can!
Gotta catch them all!!
There will be a day when finding new Italian DM talents will be extremely difficult, a few centuries from now, thats why we are desperately stocking up now!
Besides, they can cover every role in the field, 2/3rds of our roster should always be consisted of DMs, of Italian origin if possible!
 

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Juventolog
Jun 7, 2004
27,412
Everyone that is not an attacking midfielder gets called a DM here. This one is the actual DM, definitely a player with a profile that we need. Would love to stop seeing random players be converted to play in regia and instead play a natural fit there.

He looked good for Genoa and excellent for the U21 NT. Lets see how he develops this season.

To worry about the accounting of the deal is a bit pointless, Portanova and Petrelli were also overpriced in that deal, neither is half as good as Rovella currently, and he is younger than them too.
It is extremely important to point out this certain characteristic because in the past 20 years we have been failing to find a proper central offensive midfielder.
Most of the Central Midfielders that we have been signing have the skill set to play behind the field's mid line. Their exact role varries and not all can have David's ultra defensive/marking skills. Some of them can hold the ball, some may dribble, some may pass it well, but their common characteristic is that they are playing deep, in front if the defensive. As a consequence a part of their role will always be to support our defense.
When they suck at it, like Arthur for example.
There will be a problem in our defensive solidarity.
All mediocre quality players that have no special skills can be fielded as unaligned special midfielders. A keeper must have reflexes and blocking skills, a defender is required to defend, a wingback is required to run and cross, a supportive striker to dribble and pass, a stricker to have great finishing skills.
A CM is just the average Joe that has no special skills, because of that, there is always an abundance of them. At every given moment, at any given country, mediocre players, not particularly good at smth appear.
As far as CMs are concerned, there are two major categories, the Central Defensive Midfielders that play behind the midline and must have the minimum skills to support the D-line and Central Offensive Midfielders, that must have some minimum creative skills and support the strikers.
This is exactly what Juve lacks, this is exactly the reason we dont have an attacking plan and are so boring and one dimensional.
we lack this certain type of players.

In the past we had great, if not superb CAMs, Platini and ZZ was one of the best the game has seen. In the past 20 years, there was an increasing interest for those players and they are becoming more and more rare and expensive. The skill set that is required for CAMs is far more demanding than CDMs i suppose.
Juve is not very rich and was always reluctant to have a good percentage of Italian percentage.
Italians used to be great at defending and country has always provided a good stream of defensive talents, for the keeper, all defenders and defensive midfielders. So Juve used to have as many Italians as possible on those positions and buy foreigners where Italian talent was more rare, esp on the wings and striker position.

So this is how we started to have this CF and CAM deficit, and later on a wingback deficit as well. Those three spots have been our weak spot for decades. After calciopoli we have been hiring water boys as transfer directors and AA who has been in direct control through his proxies has been failing to understand this, or find a solution for it.
For more than a decade now we have been spending the bigger part of our summer transfer budget on new CDMs and SSs and put them in a place to compensate the lack of proper CAMs and Finishers.
Thats why many of themselves fail personally and our team cannot become more competitive.
Instead of directly fixing whats broken, we keep insisting to buy more Rabbiot, Mckennies, Arthur's and Locatellis to make up for Ramsey's job/role.
The excuse is always that we lack cash, but somehow all the other Italian clubs find a way to buy their starter CAMs much cheaper than we buy our subber CDMs.
So its not just the money, we also fail at planning, we have yet to understand what wrong with our team and fix it.
Instead of lining up players like Rovella and invest 18-38mil on them, we should instead trying to secure the next Verrati
 

spurdo

Senior Member
Jun 4, 2016
1,877
It is extremely important to point out this certain characteristic because in the past 20 years we have been failing to find a proper central offensive midfielder.
Most of the Central Midfielders that we have been signing have the skill set to play behind the field's mid line. Their exact role varries and not all can have David's ultra defensive/marking skills. Some of them can hold the ball, some may dribble, some may pass it well, but their common characteristic is that they are playing deep, in front if the defensive. As a consequence a part of their role will always be to support our defense.
When they suck at it, like Arthur for example.
There will be a problem in our defensive solidarity.
All mediocre quality players that have no special skills can be fielded as unaligned special midfielders. A keeper must have reflexes and blocking skills, a defender is required to defend, a wingback is required to run and cross, a supportive striker to dribble and pass, a stricker to have great finishing skills.
A CM is just the average Joe that has no special skills, because of that, there is always an abundance of them. At every given moment, at any given country, mediocre players, not particularly good at smth appear.
As far as CMs are concerned, there are two major categories, the Central Defensive Midfielders that play behind the midline and must have the minimum skills to support the D-line and Central Offensive Midfielders, that must have some minimum creative skills and support the strikers.
This is exactly what Juve lacks, this is exactly the reason we dont have an attacking plan and are so boring and one dimensional.
we lack this certain type of players.

In the past we had great, if not superb CAMs, Platini and ZZ was one of the best the game has seen. In the past 20 years, there was an increasing interest for those players and they are becoming more and more rare and expensive. The skill set that is required for CAMs is far more demanding than CDMs i suppose.
Juve is not very rich and was always reluctant to have a good percentage of Italian percentage.
Italians used to be great at defending and country has always provided a good stream of defensive talents, for the keeper, all defenders and defensive midfielders. So Juve used to have as many Italians as possible on those positions and buy foreigners where Italian talent was more rare, esp on the wings and striker position.

So this is how we started to have this CF and CAM deficit, and later on a wingback deficit as well. Those three spots have been our weak spot for decades. After calciopoli we have been hiring water boys as transfer directors and AA who has been in direct control through his proxies has been failing to understand this, or find a solution for it.
For more than a decade now we have been spending the bigger part of our summer transfer budget on new CDMs and SSs and put them in a place to compensate the lack of proper CAMs and Finishers.
Thats why many of themselves fail personally and our team cannot become more competitive.
Instead of directly fixing whats broken, we keep insisting to buy more Rabbiot, Mckennies, Arthur's and Locatellis to make up for Ramsey's job/role.
The excuse is always that we lack cash, but somehow all the other Italian clubs find a way to buy their starter CAMs much cheaper than we buy our subber CDMs.
So its not just the money, we also fail at planning, we have yet to understand what wrong with our team and fix it.
Instead of lining up players like Rovella and invest 18-38mil on them, we should instead trying to secure the next Verrati
This massive wall of text talking about our inability to sign CAMs and it all boiled down that we should be trying to target the next Verratti, who is not a CAM

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DanielSz

Senior Member
Sep 6, 2014
12,327
It is extremely important to point out this certain characteristic because in the past 20 years we have been failing to find a proper central offensive midfielder.
Most of the Central Midfielders that we have been signing have the skill set to play behind the field's mid line. Their exact role varries and not all can have David's ultra defensive/marking skills. Some of them can hold the ball, some may dribble, some may pass it well, but their common characteristic is that they are playing deep, in front if the defensive. As a consequence a part of their role will always be to support our defense.
When they suck at it, like Arthur for example.
There will be a problem in our defensive solidarity.
All mediocre quality players that have no special skills can be fielded as unaligned special midfielders. A keeper must have reflexes and blocking skills, a defender is required to defend, a wingback is required to run and cross, a supportive striker to dribble and pass, a stricker to have great finishing skills.
A CM is just the average Joe that has no special skills, because of that, there is always an abundance of them. At every given moment, at any given country, mediocre players, not particularly good at smth appear.
As far as CMs are concerned, there are two major categories, the Central Defensive Midfielders that play behind the midline and must have the minimum skills to support the D-line and Central Offensive Midfielders, that must have some minimum creative skills and support the strikers.
This is exactly what Juve lacks, this is exactly the reason we dont have an attacking plan and are so boring and one dimensional.
we lack this certain type of players.

In the past we had great, if not superb CAMs, Platini and ZZ was one of the best the game has seen. In the past 20 years, there was an increasing interest for those players and they are becoming more and more rare and expensive. The skill set that is required for CAMs is far more demanding than CDMs i suppose.
Juve is not very rich and was always reluctant to have a good percentage of Italian percentage.
Italians used to be great at defending and country has always provided a good stream of defensive talents, for the keeper, all defenders and defensive midfielders. So Juve used to have as many Italians as possible on those positions and buy foreigners where Italian talent was more rare, esp on the wings and striker position.

So this is how we started to have this CF and CAM deficit, and later on a wingback deficit as well. Those three spots have been our weak spot for decades. After calciopoli we have been hiring water boys as transfer directors and AA who has been in direct control through his proxies has been failing to understand this, or find a solution for it.
For more than a decade now we have been spending the bigger part of our summer transfer budget on new CDMs and SSs and put them in a place to compensate the lack of proper CAMs and Finishers.
Thats why many of themselves fail personally and our team cannot become more competitive.
Instead of directly fixing whats broken, we keep insisting to buy more Rabbiot, Mckennies, Arthur's and Locatellis to make up for Ramsey's job/role.
The excuse is always that we lack cash, but somehow all the other Italian clubs find a way to buy their starter CAMs much cheaper than we buy our subber CDMs.
So its not just the money, we also fail at planning, we have yet to understand what wrong with our team and fix it.
Instead of lining up players like Rovella and invest 18-38mil on them, we should instead trying to secure the next Verrati
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rainhard

Senior Member
May 5, 2004
3,917
Italy really look hard on those kind of player type because they will "lack of defensive ability". this certain 'must have' tactical awarenes kill the progress of those creativity. That is why Spain have more attractive CAM players, because of their league gameplay that emphasize more passing and try for more through balls. I can say that Zaniolo is truly that kind of that type still exists nowadays who exciting and real products of Serie A, mose of them more like all around type midfielder, mezzala, regista and some of them just plain average at CAM

The real proven story of this is Bruno Fernandes, he play for Novara, Udinese and Sampdoria but never breaktrough in Serie A. After he come back to Sporting and spent some years there, he become "other type of players" that exciting. Hence 60m purchase by MU and getting goals and assists week in week out
 

Karim30

Allegri is back, life is back.
May 6, 2012
3,610
Apparently he did very well against Inter and Napoli, should partially solve our midfield problems but starting next season.
 

Stevie

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Mar 30, 2003
17,760
It's so stupid that he isn't playing here. Any other club in the world would have their best players in the squad especially when we so badly need reinforcements and can't afford them.

Stubborn old Italian mentality is to blame.
 

Boksic

Senior Member
May 11, 2005
13,432
It's so stupid that he isn't playing here. Any other club in the world would have their best players in the squad especially when we so badly need reinforcements and can't afford them.

Stubborn old Italian mentality is to blame.
Just think if we weren't too blinkered by short term plusvalenza we could have had him on a bosman this summer instead of a swap deal with expensive add-ons and a loan for the season.
 
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    First I've heard Rovella being called one of our best players.

    We've got too many midfielders, just ones with the wrong quality or not enough of it.
     

    .zero

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    thoughts on how development?

    the age requirement topic is bogus for any club to have. Juventus leave too much talent on the table with that self created hurdle. And don’t give me the nonsense about kulu
     

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