exactly we suffer as a team when he plays. @Bjerknes will also attest to this now
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Here's another one.
Juventus are conceding a goal in 120 minutes this season. With Fagioli on, we concede 1 in 70. As a matter of fact, he played 636 minutes in which we conceded 9 goals. In the 444 minutes that he didn't play, we didn't concede a single goal.
His presence makes the defense vulnerable.
And another one.
Juve are scoring a goal in 51 minutes. With Fagioli on, we score 1 in 83 minutes.
His presence makes the attack much less lethal.
LiaFUCKINbility!
Juventus are conceding a goal in 120 minutes this season. With Fagioli on, we concede 1 in 70. As a matter of fact, he played 636 minutes in which we conceded 9 goals. In the 444 minutes that he didn't play, we didn't concede a single goal.
His presence makes the defense vulnerable.
And another one.
Juve are scoring a goal in 51 minutes. With Fagioli on, we score 1 in 83 minutes.
His presence makes the attack much less lethal.
LiaFUCKINbility!
huh, I had filtered only Serie A. his CL stats are bad indeed. not as bad as Jonas Rouhi, but bad.
btw look at locatelli and gatti, and compare it with thuram and danilo. sometimes stats give you a good reflection of reality
anyway, we're missing 3 players badly: bremer, koopmeiners and a vice vlahovic
I'm glad for these stats.
Sometimes we let the fact he is a reprehensible human being cloud our judgment. It's hard to see whether we think of Fagioli as someone who is not good enough for Juventus because he does not have the required talent or because he's morally bankrupt.
The stats show that - his lack of ethics aside - he's also a poor player.
Sometimes we let the fact he is a reprehensible human being cloud our judgment. It's hard to see whether we think of Fagioli as someone who is not good enough for Juventus because he does not have the required talent or because he's morally bankrupt.
The stats show that - his lack of ethics aside - he's also a poor player.
This is spot on. The biggest issue with him appears to be when he’s not contributing well with the ball like he did in that one game, he’s a net negative because he gets played around too easily, get in wrong positions and offers little without the ball. His ceiling may well be as a rotational piece as a 5th or 6th midfielder.
I struggle to see what he adds as a rotation player.
He doesn't score, he doesn't assist. He doesn't invent plays. But then he doesn't fight either. In the past you had someone like Sturaro. His level was, at best, a fourth string midfielder for us. But he gave his all when he came on and through sheer physicality he actually ended up being useful on a handful of occasions.
Fagioli doesn't offer anything similar. Either we get a fourth string midfielder with some semblance of creativity. Or we get a warrior. I don't particularly care which guy we go for. But I don't think there is any scenario in which Fagioli is a useful sub.
He doesn't score, he doesn't assist. He doesn't invent plays. But then he doesn't fight either. In the past you had someone like Sturaro. His level was, at best, a fourth string midfielder for us. But he gave his all when he came on and through sheer physicality he actually ended up being useful on a handful of occasions.
Fagioli doesn't offer anything similar. Either we get a fourth string midfielder with some semblance of creativity. Or we get a warrior. I don't particularly care which guy we go for. But I don't think there is any scenario in which Fagioli is a useful sub.
His creativity isn’t bad by current Serie A standards so that’s the only role he can try to fill as I think he will always be a defensively liability to some extent.
I think he has a use against the mid to lower table sides that bunker in and offer little offensively, but as you say clearly needs to improve his end product as it has been poor thus far. From what we’ve seen he will at least try and get the ball to make things happen, whilst being different in that regard to our current complement of Wes, Locatelli and Thuram.
His playstyle is also suited to the current coach who wants to play possession football at all costs, unlike his predecessors for whom a Sturaro or Padoin type was far more important.
I think he has a use against the mid to lower table sides that bunker in and offer little offensively, but as you say clearly needs to improve his end product as it has been poor thus far. From what we’ve seen he will at least try and get the ball to make things happen, whilst being different in that regard to our current complement of Wes, Locatelli and Thuram.
His playstyle is also suited to the current coach who wants to play possession football at all costs, unlike his predecessors for whom a Sturaro or Padoin type was far more important.
not sure about the potential. a player who can pass like fagioli is hard to find. he's not a bad player by any means, he's useful in getting the ball forward, he's effective in creating shots from both open play and dead ball situations. even motta's tactics help him too: as you mentioned, without the ball he's not effective, and fortunately for him, we have the ball more than last seasons
too bad he's just a soft player physically - and probably mentally too. if he had a buid like locatelli, let alone thuram, he'd be an easy starter. and there's his mentality too: he should work twice as hard as anyone else to show some gratitude towards the club, and he's not quicker, he's not stronger, he's got no more grinta than last season or before. he didn't improve one bit basically. i just don't see him as an extra motivated player which should be the bare minimum from him after how the club handled his gambling addiction with the new contract and that fucking raise. this club most probably saved his life, he should drink blood before all games
too bad he's just a soft player physically - and probably mentally too. if he had a buid like locatelli, let alone thuram, he'd be an easy starter. and there's his mentality too: he should work twice as hard as anyone else to show some gratitude towards the club, and he's not quicker, he's not stronger, he's got no more grinta than last season or before. he didn't improve one bit basically. i just don't see him as an extra motivated player which should be the bare minimum from him after how the club handled his gambling addiction with the new contract and that fucking raise. this club most probably saved his life, he should drink blood before all games
