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Zlatan

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Erik said:
RED HOT DUTCH

Guus Hiddink has qualified for his third successive World Cup with a different team from a different continent. No need to get excited. Amy Lawrence reports

Sunday November 20, 2005
The Observer



A week in the life of Guus Hiddink: Montevideo, Sydney, Waalwijk. It entailed the best part of two whole days on aeroplanes, 20 time zones, three football matches, one epiphanic sporting moment that turned him into an instant hero in Australia, and an injection of normality as he got on with the day job at an away game in front of a crowd of a few thousand in the Dutch provinces. And he managed this without a bead of sweat on his brow. No problem.

The Australians, rather like the South Koreans before them, are quite overwhelmed by this man, who is not only expert at his job but also appears to be a Zen master. During the penalty shoot-out in Sydney's Olympic Stadium on Wednesday, which Australia won 4-2, Hiddink was serenity itself, while the Aussies, to borrow a phrase penned by journalist Peter Lalor, 'carried on like complete sheilas'.

And so, with trademark cool, a coach who is arguably more special than Jose Mourinho booked a ticket to his third successive World Cup - each with a different country from a different continent. Both Holland in 1998 and South Korea in 2002 reached the semi-finals and played eye-catching football. If Hiddink emulates that feat with the Socceroos in 2006 then Mourinho really will have to consider conceding his self-appointed title.

At a World Cup where almost half of the contestants will be managed by foreign coaches, Hiddink's accomplishment, alongside the miracle performed by Leo Beenhakker with Trinidad and Tobago and Dick Advocaat's work with South Korea, means Holland provide four coaches to next summer's finals. Marco van Basten takes charge of the Oranje in competition with three predecessors who have led their country to a World Cup finals.

It is an impressive record for a coaching school that is universally admired and travels well. The Dutch quartet bound for Germany are closely followed by a trio each from Brazil, Argentina and France. And how many British managers will be putting their expertise to better use than punditry? None.

According to Holland's coaching association, there is a big demand for the services of their members. There are currently 90 Dutch managers working abroad, from the legendary Frank Rijkaard scaling artistic heights at Barcelona to an ordinary pro working with the rawest material in Afghanistan. The Netherlands may be a small country, but it has a production line of football missionaries spreading the word in all corners of the globe. By nature they are flexible, linguists, travellers, and have the necessary ego to tell people that their way is the right way.

Where Hiddink scores extra points is charisma. He won over the Australian players immediately just by being daring, interesting and knowing. An example: when they arrived in Uruguay, with hundreds of noisy locals waiting to give them a hostile reception, the media were ready to fuel the fire. 'I just want to say how proud I am to bring a team to the first country to hold the World Cup,' said Hiddink. The Uruguayans were disarmed. The tension disappeared. The players were impressed.

Another example: During their training camp in Buenos Aires, Diego Maradona phoned Hiddink to wish him luck, and invite him to a Copa Libertadores match that evening. Hiddink replied that he'd love to but he was with his team. The next thing they knew, the whole Socceroos squad were on a VIP trip to watch the match as guests of Maradona.

After the first leg of their play-off, which they lost 1-0, the Australians landed on home soil on Monday morning with two days to prepare for the all-important second leg. 'You are all free until Tuesday lunchtime,' announced Hiddink. The breather, the liberty, did the players the power of good. Hiddink's man-management skills take some beating.

There is something in the Dutch mentality that inspires this desire to travel the world and breed a better style of football. De Telegraaf's Youri van den Busken sums it up: 'We are a small country but we have big ideas. Want to make a difference and be creative. We don't like to be a grey mouse.'

Dutch football's coaches are all disciples of Rinus Michels, who died earlier this year. 'The General', the pioneer of total football and the man Fifa chose as coach of the century in 1999, when Michels introduced a professional approach to the game in Holland he created a timeless philosophy. 'Rinus Michels was the one who made the big change,' says Johan Cruyff. 'Michels never taught me how to control a ball. Nobody did. But he knew the efforts required to make football a team game.'

Martin Jol recalls how Michels was both friend and master. 'When he was with the players in a hotel, he was typically Dutch - singing, drinking and enjoying a beer with them. They loved him,' the Tottenham boss says. 'But the next day he was working with them and was a disciplinarian, and they had a lot of respect for him.'

It is this combination - teaching the benefits of a work ethic and a team game, inspiring dedication and affection from his charges - that makes the Dutch model particularly suitable to countries that lack a footballing structure. The difference Hiddink made to South Korea and now Australia is a case in point. He demands organisation. Guile. Intelligence. He gets it pretty quickly.

'It's difficult because sometimes they are overexcited and they are so committed,' Hiddink noted of the Australians before their encounter with Uruguay. 'We have to look for balance in their commitment, but if you're overcommitted you can forget what your task is during the game.' The Dutch have a saying: simplicity makes the master.

Hiddink didn't have much time to put across his message. The Australia job is moonlighting (his main employers, PSV Eindhoven, lead both the Eredivisie and their Champions League group, so their needs can't be ignored), and he took it on only at the last moment. After considerable persuasion, he signed two contracts. One ended at midnight after the play-offs. The next was activated as soon as John Aloisi scored the winning penalty, and continues until the Socceroos bow out of the World Cup.

Captain mark Viduka is bowled over by Hiddink. 'As far as I am concerned, Guus was the missing link for us. He was the leader we needed. He is a tactical genius. Everything he does has a purpose and it makes you feel so comfortable as a player.'

It has somehow been decreed (by the tabloids at least) that England's next head coach must be from the mother country. Why? Hiddink's impeccable credentials surely challenge this notion. Whether he is available when Sven-Goran Eriksson hangs up his three-lioned blazer is questionable, but both his current employers will do well to hang on to the man the Dutch admire, the Koreans wanted as president and the Aussies lovingly call 'Goose'.

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Number of Holland World Cup managers taking teams to Germany: 4

Beenhakker (Holland 1990, Trindad & Tobago 2006)
Advocaat (Holland 1994, S Korea 2006)
Hiddink (Holland 1998, S Korea 2002, Australia 2006)
Van Basten (Holland 2006)
Louis van Gaal failed to qualify in 2002 and is now manager of AZ Alkmaar

The Wanderers: Nationalities of this summer's World Cup coaches

4 Holland
3 Brazil, Argentina, France
2 Sweden, Croatia, Serbia & Montenegro

Brit free zone: Decline of British World Cup coaches

1990: 3 Robson, Charlton, Roxbrough
1994: 2 Charlton, Hodgson
1998: 1 Hoddle
2002: 1/2 (Mick McCarthy was born in Barnsley but is an Irishman)
2006: 0

Source: The Guardian

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Interesting stuff imo, just wanted to share it with you. How would you compare Hiddink to Mourinho?



Dont get your panties in a twist Erik, Bora Milutinović did it with 5 national teams, if I remember correctly, they were USA, Mexico, Nigeria, Costa Rica. All of them except China reached the second round.
 

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Bjerknes

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If only we could see Guus Hiddink at Juventus...oh how I would love that. In my opinion he's the sort of manager to win the Champions League in this day and age, as he is a bit more liberal with the tactical visions of the game. He always takes one match at a time and makes the obvious changes to win each and every match...for instance, in the match against Milan in Eindhoven, Hiddink decided to field a 3-4-3 with a diamond in midfield to counter Ancelotti's diamond four in midfied, thus matching players against Pirlo and Kaka respectively. His system might look open to abuse on the wings, however as we all know Milan only have their wingbacks on the flanks, and with Beasley and Farfan in attack those wingbacks had to stay at home. This is the obvious thing to do against Milan...and it worked wonders. That's the sort of coach I admire. :star:
 

Bjerknes

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Sergio said:
Oh, and one more thing.

If Reggie Bush doesn't win the Heisman Trophy after his performance on Saturday Night, then not only should there be a criminal investigation, I will disown College Football entirely.
Don't fvck up Sergio, or you'll be watching the Nittany Lions in the Rose Bowl.

Pressure is all on you lot, as well as Texas.
 

JCK

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Zlatan said:
Dont get your panties in a twist Erik, Bora Milutinović did it with 5 national teams, if I remember correctly, they were USA, Mexico, Nigeria, Costa Rica. All of them except China reached the second round.
Hey, another Bora fan :thumbs:

That's a coach, the way he looks shows how smart he is. Too bad Nigeria did not appreciate him, nor the players were willing to listen to him properly. I think Nigeria were the best squad he coached and they would have reached even farther had they appreciated him more.
 

KB824

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RochemBeck said:
Don't fvck up Sergio, or you'll be watching the Nittany Lions in the Rose Bowl.

Pressure is all on you lot, as well as Texas.
Oh yes, the Pressure is on.

After all, USC has to face UCLA in 2 weeks.

Mmmm, tons of pressure there. UCLA will keep it close for a half, but that's about it.

Congrats with Penn State by the way. Great job by Joe Pa this year. If Texas somehow slips up and Penn State faces USC in the Rose Bowl, with 90% of the capacity crowd of 105,000 rooting for USC, well, let me just apologize on behalf of all the USC fans nationwide for the ass cutting that you would receive. :D
 

Bjerknes

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Sergio said:
Oh yes, the Pressure is on.

After all, USC has to face UCLA in 2 weeks.

Mmmm, tons of pressure there. UCLA will keep it close for a half, but that's about it.

Congrats with Penn State by the way. Great job by Joe Pa this year. If Texas somehow slips up and Penn State faces USC in the Rose Bowl, with 90% of the capacity crowd of 105,000 rooting for USC, well, let me just apologize on behalf of all the USC fans nationwide for the ass cutting that you would receive. :D
Thanks, but don't count us out yet. Hopefully if we do face you guys your team will enter the game with the same attitude...not giving us enough respect. However, USC and Texas are both superior to us and have more talent. In some ways I would rather not go to the Rose Bowl, just to stand a chance of winning. The Rose Bowl isn't my luckiest place either..
 

KB824

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RochemBeck said:
Thanks, but don't count us out yet. Hopefully if we do face you guys your team will enter the game with the same attitude...not giving us enough respect. However, USC and Texas are both superior to us and have more talent. In some ways I would rather not go to the Rose Bowl, just to stand a chance of winning. The Rose Bowl isn't my luckiest place either..
Has USC entered with that attitude against anyone they've played this year, knowing that every single team they are facing will be bringing their A+ game to the table?? I think not. And this isn't about a lack of respect, but let's look at some facts here, Andrew.

Of Penn State's 10 wins this year, its safe to say that only 3 of the teams they beat are truly considered "quality opponents". That would be Minnesota, Ohio State, and Wisconsin. What do they all have in common?? All of those games were played at Happy Valley.

On the other hand, assuming that USC beats UCLA, which is an almost 100% certainty, then that would give USC 5 wins over "quality opponents". That would be UCLA, Oregon, Notre Dame, Fresno State, and California. Here's the big difference though. You know how Oregon and Notre dame are #7 and 8 respectively in the BCS standings, and California is right on the cusp of the Top 25??, Well, USC beat them on ON THE ROAD. UCLA is currently rated at #11 in the BCS standings, so they will be going to a New Year's day bowl as well.


I have news for you, Andy. If Robinson only puts up 100 yards passing against USC for the entire game like he did against Michigan State, the title game would be over by the end of the 1st quarter. Look at what Big Bad Oklahoma was supposed to do last year against USC. What was the final score on that one, 56-14???


Its pretty tough to stop a team that has a 3000 yard passer, a 1000 yard receiver and TWO thousand yard rushers, my friend.
 

Bjerknes

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Sergio said:
Has USC entered with that attitude against anyone they've played this year, knowing that every single team they are facing will be bringing their A+ game to the table?? I think not. And this isn't about a lack of respect, but let's look at some facts here, Andrew.

Of Penn State's 10 wins this year, its safe to say that only 3 of the teams they beat are truly considered "quality opponents". That would be Minnesota, Ohio State, and Wisconsin. What do they all have in common?? All of those games were played at Happy Valley.

On the other hand, assuming that USC beats UCLA, which is an almost 100% certainty, then that would give USC 5 wins over "quality opponents". That would be UCLA, Oregon, Notre Dame, Fresno State, and California. Here's the big difference though. You know how Oregon and Notre dame are #7 and 8 respectively in the BCS standings, and California is right on the cusp of the Top 25??, Well, USC beat them on ON THE ROAD. UCLA is currently rated at #11 in the BCS standings, so they will be going to a New Year's day bowl as well.


I have news for you, Andy. If Robinson only puts up 100 yards passing against USC for the entire game like he did against Michigan State, the title game would be over by the end of the 1st quarter. Look at what Big Bad Oklahoma was supposed to do last year against USC. What was the final score on that one, 56-14???


Its pretty tough to stop a team that has a 3000 yard passer, a 1000 yard receiver and TWO thousand yard rushers, my friend.

And this is why I stick to real football and ice hockey...I have no chance of forming a competent rebuttal to that post. But like I stated, in some ways I would rather head to the Orange Bowl just to stand a chance of winning. Any bowl game is an acceptable accomplishment for my school this season.

Well, I'm off to watch the Red Wings try to break out of their five-game losing streak.
 

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RochemBeck said:
If only we could see Guus Hiddink at Juventus...oh how I would love that. In my opinion he's the sort of manager to win the Champions League in this day and age, as he is a bit more liberal with the tactical visions of the game. He always takes one match at a time and makes the obvious changes to win each and every match...for instance, in the match against Milan in Eindhoven, Hiddink decided to field a 3-4-3 with a diamond in midfield to counter Ancelotti's diamond four in midfied, thus matching players against Pirlo and Kaka respectively. His system might look open to abuse on the wings, however as we all know Milan only have their wingbacks on the flanks, and with Beasley and Farfan in attack those wingbacks had to stay at home. This is the obvious thing to do against Milan...and it worked wonders. That's the sort of coach I admire. :star:

Sacriligious! juve doesn't play attractive football no sir :D and something about a coach with moustache is just unsettling.
 

Bjerknes

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Correction: Fischer had a seizure and collapsed on the bench. They took him to a Detroit hospital after CPR and is said to be in stable condition. Thank God.

They cancelled the Red Wings game after this and it's a great decision. I have never seen anything as scary as this in a hockey game before. :sad:
 

swag

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You may be too young to remember Clint Malarchuk in an '89 game he played against the Blues.

If you dare :google: him, please do so with caution. It is not for the feint of heart.
 

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swag said:
You may be too young to remember Clint Malarchuk in an '89 game he played against the Blues.

If you dare :google: him, please do so with caution. It is not for the feint of heart.

that happened in Buffalo, while Malarchuk was playing for the Sabres. He had his jugular cut by an opposing players skate...and blood shot everywhere.

I saw it on TV, live...but I had friends who worked at the aud, selling beer in the stands, who told me ppl were vomiting and passing out everywhere

Luckily, a doctor was sitting in a front row seat (go figure !!!:biggrin: ), and came out on the ice, and stopped the bleeding. Otherwise, he would have died in a very short time
 

swag

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Vinman said:
that happened in Buffalo, while Malarchuk was playing for the Sabres. He had his jugular cut by an opposing players skate...and blood shot everywhere.

I saw it on TV, live...but I had friends who worked at the aud, selling beer in the stands, who told me ppl were vomiting and passing out everywhere

Luckily, a doctor was sitting in a front row seat (go figure !!!:biggrin: ), and came out on the ice, and stopped the bleeding. Otherwise, he would have died in a very short time
I heard that several of the Sabres players blew chunks and there were at least a couple of heart attacks in the stands over it too.

I can't imagine what it was like to see on TV live. But I believe there are videoclips around the Web. :sick:
 

Bjerknes

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swag said:
You may be too young to remember Clint Malarchuk in an '89 game he played against the Blues.

If you dare :google: him, please do so with caution. It is not for the feint of heart.
Yeah, needless to say I do not remember that incident. And by your warning I think I might hold off the research for a little bit..
 

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