I also had some reserves on omitting Suetonius and his life of the caesars his name was only mentioned while his work is critical in the field.
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It makes no difference at all....
So your saying the Murder of millions of people is fine, because they were stubborn and didnt understand... What bollocks... That means half the planet should be killed off...
Your also saying that this all powerful God, the worlds creator.... Was incapable of teaching these people and completely intolerent of anyone / thing that didnt agree with him....
Get real,
So your saying the Murder of millions of people is fine, because they were stubborn and didnt understand... What bollocks... That means half the planet should be killed off...
Your also saying that this all powerful God, the worlds creator.... Was incapable of teaching these people and completely intolerent of anyone / thing that didnt agree with him....
Get real,
Sorry, but they arent, you could spend your life dedicated to disproving that article (you do realise that was only a tiny excerpt of a much more indepth piece) and you never would do more than question a couple of little bits.... People have tried and cant...
Fact : No historian has ever found any proof to the existence of Jesus Christ
That is a fact,
Not one single recognised historian or religious "qwan" has ever managed to supply even a shred of evidence...
Why do people do that ? Is it really so damn hard to read what is before you... Where in the world does it say the authenticity of the shroud has any bearing on the existence of jesus ??
Oh yes... it doesnt....
If you read it you would know that the bit i wrote about the shroud was in answer to a previous question and definately was not used in relation to the existence of jesus...
As for carbon dating.... PLease get a grip... it doesnt need to be accurate... the dating of the shroud, even within accepted tolerances of the carbon process is so far out its questionabilty is redundant...
The shroud is confirmed to date between 1260-1390... Whatever you want to say about the dating process... The idea that it can be 1300 0dd years out is completely ridiculous...
See again you make your little assumptions about people... You have no idea how far i've looked into this, yet you assume as i dont agree with you... That i havent...
Sorry i dont work like that... If im discussing a subject like this with you in this place... its purely because Ive spent time on it...
Fact : No historian has ever found any proof to the existence of Jesus Christ
That is a fact,
Not one single recognised historian or religious "qwan" has ever managed to supply even a shred of evidence...
Why do people do that ? Is it really so damn hard to read what is before you... Where in the world does it say the authenticity of the shroud has any bearing on the existence of jesus ??
Oh yes... it doesnt....
If you read it you would know that the bit i wrote about the shroud was in answer to a previous question and definately was not used in relation to the existence of jesus...
As for carbon dating.... PLease get a grip... it doesnt need to be accurate... the dating of the shroud, even within accepted tolerances of the carbon process is so far out its questionabilty is redundant...
The shroud is confirmed to date between 1260-1390... Whatever you want to say about the dating process... The idea that it can be 1300 0dd years out is completely ridiculous...
See again you make your little assumptions about people... You have no idea how far i've looked into this, yet you assume as i dont agree with you... That i havent...
Sorry i dont work like that... If im discussing a subject like this with you in this place... its purely because Ive spent time on it...
See here we go again... Another who doesnt actually read what is before them but deems to comment.... Its part of an article, put there merely to point something out... If people were interested they would have looked into it and seen more....
The facts are.. whether you like it or not... Not one single person anywhere in this world has ever even come close to proving the existence of jesus ...
That is a fact... Its a fact accepted by the worlds religious leaders, by the worlds most recognised historians... It is also a point that has absolutely no bearing on faith or the teachings of christianity itself... If you think it does , you are jus showing you have zero understanding of what the bible is about....
The facts are.. whether you like it or not... Not one single person anywhere in this world has ever even come close to proving the existence of jesus ...
That is a fact... Its a fact accepted by the worlds religious leaders, by the worlds most recognised historians... It is also a point that has absolutely no bearing on faith or the teachings of christianity itself... If you think it does , you are jus showing you have zero understanding of what the bible is about....
You had reserves ?
Did you write it ?
Do you know where that came from, what it was part of ?
Of course you didnt...
But i digress... DIsprove it ?
Show the evidence...
Dont care how you do it...
Show evidence of his existence directly or jus prove the falicy of every part of even that small excerpt of an article...
Go ahead... No one in history has ever done it... So go for it...
If you can you will be the most recognised man in the world within weeks... a multi millionaire and a global hero...
Please show us...
But no... you wont, and you'll throw little excuses as to why, but fact is you wont because it cant be done .... never has been and never will be... Some of the greatest minds this world has ever seen have dedicated their lives to proving his existence and failed...
Did you write it ?
Do you know where that came from, what it was part of ?
Of course you didnt...
But i digress... DIsprove it ?
Show the evidence...
Dont care how you do it...
Show evidence of his existence directly or jus prove the falicy of every part of even that small excerpt of an article...
Go ahead... No one in history has ever done it... So go for it...
If you can you will be the most recognised man in the world within weeks... a multi millionaire and a global hero...
Please show us...
But no... you wont, and you'll throw little excuses as to why, but fact is you wont because it cant be done .... never has been and never will be... Some of the greatest minds this world has ever seen have dedicated their lives to proving his existence and failed...
If there's one who doesnt read other's comment out of pedantry it certainly is you. Which authority are you to say what is fact and isnt. What you call fact is your mere obstinacy to shed all presented with your "belief" dye. Moreover your quick to assume(and again because you didnt read) that I am christian and my objection therein stems; again wrong. All i had talked about was scholarly. I suggested you either answer arguments presented or admit to merely opining on the subject.
N.B: "fact accepted by the worlds religious leaders, by the worlds most recognised historians" gimme a break I really expected a bit more elan in your replies what a disappointment
Oh please. People who are scared and can't handle the real world are mostly those who believe in God. Fear and the need to have an explanation for the world are the only two reasons people believe in God.
And TBH I'm sick of the fact that christianity can't be discussed here.
Over 2000 years ago people had mythical societies. That means that those who had power didn't have to explain their power with rational reasons, but that they would make up a story that would have to be respected. Basically it's a vicious circle: the reason why they're in charge is their story which is made up by them.
Genesis is one of the prime examples of such a story. Why should we do this and not that? Because the Bible says so. Suddenly the Bible has become an authority. That's how they did it 2000 years ago people.
Imagine me writing a story and telling you what to do. When asked why you have to do what I tell you to do I'd answer: because my story says so.
See the logic in that?
"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use."
- Galileo Galilei
And TBH I'm sick of the fact that christianity can't be discussed here.
Over 2000 years ago people had mythical societies. That means that those who had power didn't have to explain their power with rational reasons, but that they would make up a story that would have to be respected. Basically it's a vicious circle: the reason why they're in charge is their story which is made up by them.
Genesis is one of the prime examples of such a story. Why should we do this and not that? Because the Bible says so. Suddenly the Bible has become an authority. That's how they did it 2000 years ago people.
Imagine me writing a story and telling you what to do. When asked why you have to do what I tell you to do I'd answer: because my story says so.
See the logic in that?
"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use."
- Galileo Galilei
Another statement alluding to superiority by Seven. I believe in God and I'm not scared of much in this world...how can you make such a generalized statement such as that? Oh wait, I bet I know the reason..
"Can't handle the real world" why do you say that? Oh, that's right, you don't believe in God so therefore everybody else is wrong and living in some sort of fairytale land. People believe in God for different reasons, not just because they are all scared of the world or need answers for there existence...this is where faith comes in.
"Can't handle the real world" why do you say that? Oh, that's right, you don't believe in God so therefore everybody else is wrong and living in some sort of fairytale land. People believe in God for different reasons, not just because they are all scared of the world or need answers for there existence...this is where faith comes in.
Religion is created by man only cause we can´t live without answers to questions we don’t understand.
The thought that time is something that has always existed is unbearable and impossible to comprehend. Like it is impossible for a mouse to understand that cheese is made out of something from a cow.
And because we don’t understand these things we invented religion.
The Vikings explained thunder with Thor and the Romans with Jupiter and the Greeks with Zeus. Same thing different name.
As goes for protestants ore Catholics. We could not understand how life was invented, what the sun was or the fact that life has to ends when you die.
I encountered a great religion in Mongolia. 15 pages, a small book. It told you to be nice and think well about other people. Hade something similar like the 10 commandments but I believe it was 15. Told you how to help someone with different injuries and how to treat you surroundings.
-“But what do you believe in”, I asked.
-“Believe in? Just follow the book and you can believe in anything you want”.
There you have a great religion.
The thought that time is something that has always existed is unbearable and impossible to comprehend. Like it is impossible for a mouse to understand that cheese is made out of something from a cow.
And because we don’t understand these things we invented religion.
The Vikings explained thunder with Thor and the Romans with Jupiter and the Greeks with Zeus. Same thing different name.
As goes for protestants ore Catholics. We could not understand how life was invented, what the sun was or the fact that life has to ends when you die.
I encountered a great religion in Mongolia. 15 pages, a small book. It told you to be nice and think well about other people. Hade something similar like the 10 commandments but I believe it was 15. Told you how to help someone with different injuries and how to treat you surroundings.
-“But what do you believe in”, I asked.
-“Believe in? Just follow the book and you can believe in anything you want”.
There you have a great religion.
Well if all those are the reasons why man believes in a Supreme Being, than those who choose not to believe in this supreme being is because they don't give a damn. They are rebels who don't want to be ''controlled'' by anyone. Its always easy to dismiss people that have faith in the unseen.
@Seven: Parents don't let you cross the road when you're 3, you're right. But God does?
Who created the parents? I think that's why they're there
@Seven: Parents don't let you cross the road when you're 3, you're right. But God does?
Who created the parents? I think that's why they're there
