Nick Against the World (101 Viewers)

[Respaul]

++ [ originally posted by Tifoso Lou ] ++



We live in a fallen world. We chose to turn away....which was our free will. If He comes in and fixes every problem, we will no longer have either free will (ie if it was 100% apparent to everyone of God's existance, we wouldn't be having this discussion), or Faith (belief in a thing not seen) for that matter.

Sorry, you didnt get what i meant... I was refering to the plagues at gods own hand not... Disasters of mankind

Think of it this way: do you trust your grown child to make her own decisions, or do you step in and make all her decisions for her? Those are the two options, basically. In option 2, you have made your child a robot essentially; in option 1, you certainly risk your child being hurt, but growing in the process. Most parents would choose 1. So did He.

The analogy is irrelevant as it wasnt what i was getting at... but nicely done anyway...

Though its amazing in this world how many do pick option 2

 

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[Respaul]

++ [ originally posted by Tifoso Lou ] ++


All of it, no? Some of it, yes.

Why not ?

Surely to be in a position too compare and select what is true to your soul... You must inspect the competition (for want of a better word)....

 

[Tifoso]

++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++



Who's to say he even cares?

Would you die on a cross for someone, if you didn't care, amico mio?

 

[Respaul]

Who died on a cross ?

 

[Tifoso]

++ [ originally posted by Shadowfax ] ++


Sorry, you didnt get what i meant... I was refering to the plagues at gods own hand not... Disasters of mankind

Who says they were at his own hand, though?

 

[Respaul]

The Bible

 

[Tifoso]

++ [ originally posted by Shadowfax ] ++
Who died on a cross ?

Crap. I took Zlatan's "he" in "who's to say he even cares"to mean God.

Did he mean you? :embarass:

 

[Tifoso]

++ [ originally posted by Shadowfax ] ++
The Bible

OT, not NT.

 

[Respaul]

No, Z was talking of god (though i understand the confusion )... I was asking you who died on a cross

 

[Respaul]

++ [ originally posted by Tifoso Lou ] ++


OT, not NT.

The egyption plagues lou... remember

edit: sorry missread that... did you change it ?

 

[Tifoso]

++ [ originally posted by Shadowfax ] ++
No, Z was talking of god (though i understand the confusion )... I was asking you who died on a cross

uhhh, Jesus.

 

[Tifoso]

++ [ originally posted by Shadowfax ] ++


The egyption plagues lou... remember

OT

Revelation comes close, but is allegorical (most likely)

 

[Respaul]

++ [ originally posted by Tifoso Lou ] ++


uhhh, Jesus.

Jesus... Hmmm a man who didnt exist in a pure sense, died on a cross... ok

 

[Respaul]

++ [ originally posted by Tifoso Lou ] ++



OT

Revelation comes close, but is allegorical (most likely)

yeah, i edited my post, missread what you said

 

[Respaul]

++ [ originally posted by Tifoso Lou ] ++

but is allegorical (most likely)

Lol... I like that...

What difference does it make as to NT or Ot... dont see the relevance

 

[Tifoso]

++ [ originally posted by Shadowfax ] ++


Jesus... Hmmm a man who didnt exist in a pure sense, died on a cross... ok

Deep theology here. He died in his humanity, not in his Divinity. He was God and man.

We are really entering a religious discussion, amico mio--which is a no-no.

 

[Snoop]

++ [ originally posted by Tifoso Lou ] ++



We live in a fallen world. We chose to turn away....which was our free will. If He comes in and fixes every problem, we will no longer have either free will (ie if it was 100% apparent to everyone of God's existance, we wouldn't be having this discussion), or Faith (belief in a thing not seen) for that matter.

Think of it this way: do you trust your grown child to make her own decisions, or do you step in and make all her decisions for her? Those are the two options, basically. In option 2, you have made your child a robot essentially; in option 1, you certainly risk your child being hurt, but growing in the process. Most parents would choose 1. So did He.

Lou, Amico Mio..that was a great quote man

 

[Tifoso]

++ [ originally posted by Shadowfax ] ++


Lol... I like that...

What difference does it make as to NT or Ot... dont see the relevance

The God of the OT (though, of couse he's God of the NT, too) was dealing with a stiff necked people who didn't understand anything else (I am not slamming the Jews, whom I consider my elder brothers in the faith--the non Jews of the time were sacrificing their children, for example).
Jesus came to fulfill the OT, not replace it (which is why the 10 Commandments still hold).

It makes all the difference in the world.

 

[Respaul]

++ [ originally posted by Tifoso Lou ] ++


Deep theology here. He died in his humanity, not in his Divinity. He was God and man.

We are really entering a religious discussion, amico mio--which is a no-no.

Not at all... I said he didnt exist in a pure sense... as such he didnt die in his humanity... As such not truely a religious discussion... though i have no idea why you run from such things,,, discussion is healthy...

Anyway, as you clearly find it uncomfortable, i will leave off of this road for now...

I'll leave you with a little piece to see what im talking about though...

http://www.juventuz.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=599896&highlight=jesus#post599896

Enjoy.... Time for dinner...

We will unless it bothers you, continue this later... Its upto you

 

[Tifoso]

++ [ originally posted by Shadowfax ] ++

Not at all... I said he didnt exist in a pure sense... as such he didnt die in his humanity... As such not truely a religious discussion... though i have no idea why you run from such things,,, discussion is healthy...

Anyway, as you clearly find it uncomfortable, i will leave off of this road for now...

I'll leave you with a little piece to see what im talking about though...

http://www.juventuz.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=599896&highlight=jesus#post599896

Enjoy.... Time for dinner...

We will unless it bothers you, continue this later... Its upto you

I, sir, am at your service.

If it's no problem with the mods, then it's no problem with me, either.