Nick Against the World (47 Viewers)
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First, if you I've offended you, I apologize.
Second, discussing politics and religion is bound to lead to heated discussions don't you think?
Thirdly, you most certainly did state your thoughts on faith
I was asked why I was a Republican, which lead to a discussion of pro-life, which lead to a discussion of Faith....so, yeah it went a-field a bit, I will grant you that.
Again, obviously minds won't be changed, so what's the point. You want to sit down in person over a glass or two and discuss, I'm willing.
I value your friendship.
Second, discussing politics and religion is bound to lead to heated discussions don't you think?
Thirdly, you most certainly did state your thoughts on faith
I was asked why I was a Republican, which lead to a discussion of pro-life, which lead to a discussion of Faith....so, yeah it went a-field a bit, I will grant you that.
Again, obviously minds won't be changed, so what's the point. You want to sit down in person over a glass or two and discuss, I'm willing.
I value your friendship.
She didn't "lose her faith"---she went through St Theresa's "Dark Night of the Soul"---what some call a dry patch. St. Theresa experienced it almost her entire life.
My theory is that this happens to those who are truly spiritually "grown up".....kind of letting your child go to take her first steps.
My theory is that this happens to those who are truly spiritually "grown up".....kind of letting your child go to take her first steps.
I would actually argue that more than half of the problems on this planet circle around a sense of "otherness". What separates the believers from the non-believers, the Muslims from the Christians from the Jews. What separates the people who support three-strikes laws and the people whose families are more likely to be affected by them. The people who fear the Patriot Act and the people who feel it will never apply to themselves. What separates rich from poor, the Hutus from the Tutsis...
Every war starts with the dehumanization of the enemy. It's all about emphasizing the otherness over what's in common.
Every war starts with the dehumanization of the enemy. It's all about emphasizing the otherness over what's in common.
Why would i be offended... its a conversation
Not if handled in a normal respectful manor... no
Sorry, but that quote doesnt tell you my views on faith at all (let alone the religion i follow), It is merely an opinion that the majority of the worlds problems are caused by the miss understanding / miss interpretation of faith.... Not even in the same ball park as you yanks would say... Totally different things that in no way show my belifs etc
This little discussion between us actually started from a simple question from me to you as to why larger nations should in your opinion aid lesser nations.... Not todo with faith, jus a straight question, which you care not to answer
You never know, I am open to most things... i have read the religious teachings of every major faith, the ways of different cultures, even the unholy bible....
I have travelled to the worlds holy places, talked with the people at the worlds "meccas" etc....
A clean mind is allways open to new ideas or moduifications of its course... so no.. these conversations are not useless...
If more people sat down and talked this world wouldnt be so fvcked up
Not if handled in a normal respectful manor... no
Sorry, but that quote doesnt tell you my views on faith at all (let alone the religion i follow), It is merely an opinion that the majority of the worlds problems are caused by the miss understanding / miss interpretation of faith.... Not even in the same ball park as you yanks would say... Totally different things that in no way show my belifs etc
This little discussion between us actually started from a simple question from me to you as to why larger nations should in your opinion aid lesser nations.... Not todo with faith, jus a straight question, which you care not to answer
You never know, I am open to most things... i have read the religious teachings of every major faith, the ways of different cultures, even the unholy bible....
I have travelled to the worlds holy places, talked with the people at the worlds "meccas" etc....
A clean mind is allways open to new ideas or moduifications of its course... so no.. these conversations are not useless...
If more people sat down and talked this world wouldnt be so fvcked up
Last sentence--dead on.
I apologize if I misunderstood you. :redface:
so to re-answer your question
Why should big nations help littler ones?
From a non-religious point of view--they shouldn't (although I believe that it could be sub-argued that a bunch of starving little countries would eventually lead to problems for the affluent bigger ones: less trade, unrest, war)
Here's the part I didn't explain too well, apparently: for me, as a man of Faith, I believe that we have a higher calling to help those who are less fortunate than ourselves--which in turn, helps us, because when we do good, we invariably (at least eventually) do well.
I apologize if I misunderstood you. :redface:
so to re-answer your question
Why should big nations help littler ones?
From a non-religious point of view--they shouldn't (although I believe that it could be sub-argued
that a bunch of starving little countries would eventually lead to problems for the affluent bigger ones: less trade, unrest, war)Here's the part I didn't explain too well, apparently: for me, as a man of Faith, I believe that we have a higher calling to help those who are less fortunate than ourselves--which in turn, helps us, because when we do good, we invariably (at least eventually) do well.
Not a criticism, but i find it interesting that you feel a need to seperate a man of faith and a non- religious answer...
It strikes me as strange that you dont post a single answer that encompasses both aspects....
So if you say that from a non-religious side we shouldnt... But from a faith point of view we should... where is the line between the two ?
Also in your faith you say we should, but does that ever falter ? What about conflict between the 2 parties ? Is that forgotten in certain circumstances ? .... If not then surely your faith is meaningless as you would have then made a choice against said faith... no ?
It strikes me as strange that you dont post a single answer that encompasses both aspects....
So if you say that from a non-religious side we shouldnt... But from a faith point of view we should... where is the line between the two ?
Also in your faith you say we should, but does that ever falter ? What about conflict between the 2 parties ? Is that forgotten in certain circumstances ? .... If not then surely your faith is meaningless as you would have then made a choice against said faith... no ?
I separated it because the world is separated, amico mio...ie you ask a Labour and a Conservative (hope I got that right) a question, and you almost certainly would get two different answers. I anticipated those answers.
Honest answer? No.
There may be circumstances when we, as fallible human beings, choose not to follow or to ignore our Faith, but that doesn't change the Faith.
ie, there are objective truths. Our refusal to follow them make them not less true.
So if your allowed to ignore aspects of your faith in such a manor....
Then by that line, surely you can say you agree with said principles, but actually ignore them... and still be of faith... where is the line...
But then again, that is indeed what 90% of the so called faithful people do anyway...
Then by that line, surely you can say you agree with said principles, but actually ignore them... and still be of faith... where is the line...
But then again, that is indeed what 90% of the so called faithful people do anyway...
