Nick Against the World (179 Viewers)

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by Kaiser Franco ] ++


You do? On what basis?

Sure, there are many Americans who "make fun" of homosexuals and do not agree with what they stand for (no pun intended). Intolerance towards gays is indeed part of our culture, most of which stemming from older, more traditional, generations of upbringing. What eagle stated about Europe seemingly having just as much intolerance towards gays is probably true as well because this mentality stems from conservative views on religion, Catholicism and Islamic beliefs to be more specific. I do not agree with this traditional view on homosexuality though.

 

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[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++


*cough* you were saying about ..uhmm never mentioning 'skin'

Yeah, I remembered him mentioning skin as well. Looks like he conveniantly forgot....your memory is absolutely amazing Jae.

 

[Dragon]

Random fact:

Most spaniards dont agree with legalizing gay marriage in their country

Most Massachusetts residents didnt agree with legalizing it either

 

[Kaiser Franco]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++


Sure, there are many Americans who "make fun" of homosexuals and do not agree with what they stand for (no pun intended). Intolerance towards gays is indeed part of our culture, most of which stemming from older, more traditional, generations of upbringing. What eagle stated about Europe seemingly having just as much intolerance towards gays is probably true as well because this mentality stems from conservative views on religion, Catholicism and Islamic beliefs to be more specific. I do not agree with this traditional view on homosexuality though.

Maybe, as Nick hinted at earlier, it would be more appropriate to compare single US states with single EU member states/individual countries (say, California and Scandinavia). Maybe though the intolerants just happen to be slightly more vocal or occupy more prominent positions at this point in time in America. We certainly have our fair share of those too, though I think they tend to be of a different ilk (i.e. secular rather than religious, which doesn't mean they're less worse). I was actually a bit surprised at Eagle's statement about Latin countries in Europe tho, considering Spain must be the 4th country or so in the world to have allowed gay marriage, and I thought Eagle was himself from Spain. I might be mistaken though. Whatever, it's late and Im losing my ability to reason.

However this I must say : Jae, you're right. We Italians and our French cousins do turn up in England with the scope of shagging some cheap English chicks.

Just a few weeks ago I watched this movie on French Tv called "À nous les petites anglaises!", meaning "English girls, we're coming for you!". Self-explanatory isn't it? Apparently it's a classic too. Or did you really think I was planning to come to Liverpool to shake hands with Ringo and feel the cool breeze of the Irish sea whipping my skin ? Not without my facial gel scrub I wasn't:nasty:

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++


Sure, there are many Americans who "make fun" of homosexuals and do not agree with what they stand for (no pun intended). Intolerance towards gays is indeed part of our culture, most of which stemming from older, more traditional, generations of upbringing. What eagle stated about Europe seemingly having just as much intolerance towards gays is probably true as well because this mentality stems from conservative views on religion, Catholicism and Islamic beliefs to be more specific. I do not agree with this traditional view on homosexuality though.

Did you know that there is about 1 homosexual for every 5 heteros @ Shepherd?

I love gay guys, they are awesome. Call me odd, but that is what I think, they are more honest and straightforward than most other guys.

Don't get me wrong, I love taco, I am not about the meat at all.

 

[Bjerknes]

All I got from that post Burke is "I don't know where I am."

Skype is awaiting...

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++
All I got from that post Burke is "I don't know where I am."

Skype is awaiting...

AND YOU CAN COUNT ON ME..........SEEING YOU IN THE PARKING LOT!

 

[swag]

++ [ originally posted by Bürke ] ++


AND YOU CAN COUNT ON ME..........SEEING YOU IN THE PARKING LOT!

Speaking of gay pick-up lines overheard in my neck of the woods...

 

[Martin]

++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++


ERRRRRRRRR...damn Marty...I had respected your Seinfeldknowledge!!

David Letterman was mentioned and SEEN ONLY BY GEORGE who ran after him at NBC to try to set him up with his then girlfriend Susan ...however,
he never appeared on the show.

JAE....not avoiding your post but I don't have time to read it or respond...doubt it will explain why you made that rascist comment but I'll read it anyway.

BLANDIE: Welcome back...

P.S. My Johnson tastes like a greasy Frankfurter too...

the walk of shame... :eyepatch:

 

[jaecole]

However this I must say : Jae, you're right. We Italians and our French cousins do turn up in England with the scope of shagging some cheap English chicks.

Just a few weeks ago I watched this movie on French Tv called "À nous les petites anglaises!", meaning "English girls, we're coming for you!". Self-explanatory isn't it?

That's all I meant really. It is offensive to an English guy to have that. And not really that as much as the reaction to being knocked back. I can assure you it was alot worse than anything I've said. Complete lack of respect shown for friends of mine. Though to be fair I didn't realise the post was that off, reading back it does seem worse than the intention, sorry I guess I was flustered. Racist jibes? Yeah maybe though uncalled for? Hell no. Maybe you had to be there, truth is I said ALOT worse at the time and it was entirelt deserved.

It wasn't said about all Italians, it was clear as to the group I was referring, that was highlighted in the ORIGINAL post. So all the rest is just Incubo hype. I'm not bothered really though. It doesn't matter if I appear as racist because I admit I don't like those people.

And I don't recall getting so anal over similar remarks made about English, but whatever. Hypocritical to say the least and I just wonder how many times Nick or Andy have said such things in the real life. It's so easy to be the moral high ground on an internet board. Truth be told though, I didn't realise greasy skin was an Italian stereotype.

Andy you want to respond to my post rather than pulling something out of the website?

No offense, but concur.

Yeah but we already knew that Andrew. And you didn't respond because you have nothing to say. Respond to the post, or sit down. Some people really haven't gotten a grasp of discussion on this forum.

 

[jaecole]

++ [ originally posted by Bürke ] ++
Hey Jamie, how am I a racist and you aren't?

I might be nationalistic but I'm not racist. You are.

 

[jaecole]

Honestly Nick the jock thing you have kinda missed. We dont even have jocks, it's chavs. Claire is the one that said jock all the time, I was just communicating in her terminology. I have friends that are jocks, I work with 'jocks' and I live them. I don't like their ideals, behaviour and I try hard not to be one but that doesn't mean I hate them or I'm scared of them or whatever other point you are making. You really need to stop simplifying so much. I live in a complex city.

And for the record, I was never beaten up at school. I'm well over 6ft ffs. The life I live leads to some disagreements sometimes. You don't always realise someone had a boyfriend and you don't always expect to be jumped by 4 people outside a club. So what? I'm still smiling and I'm having a REAL fvcking good time too (snigger)

edit: That was Snigger, you know like giggle but not as gay. We know how some get with racism

 

[Eaglesnake_1]

++ [ originally posted by Kaiser Franco ] ++


Maybe, as Nick hinted at earlier, it would be more appropriate to compare single US states with single EU member states/individual countries (say, California and Scandinavia). Maybe though the intolerants just happen to be slightly more vocal or occupy more prominent positions at this point in time in America. We certainly have our fair share of those too, though I think they tend to be of a different ilk (i.e. secular rather than religious, which doesn't mean they're less worse). I was actually a bit surprised at Eagle's statement about Latin countries in Europe tho, considering Spain must be the 4th country or so in the world to have allowed gay marriage, and I thought Eagle was himself from Spain. I might be mistaken though. Whatever, it's late and Im losing my ability to reason.

Kaiser, youre probably right about comparing single states or areas to get a better idea, but i was talking in a whole, more general sense.. and the fact that Spain government as decided to allow gay marriages, doesnt mean that most of spanish people agree with this. Much on the contrary.

But the point i was trying to make is that the individual response to homosexuality of a standart rural people in USA is not far different from the same group of people in Spain or other latin Countries. Even, i would said that rural Northamericans are a litle more open and less vindictive concerning homosexuality that their Latin european counterparts...
Governments in Latin Europe,on the other hand, are more social integration oriented and thats main reason they are taking this kind of steps. But that doesnt mean thats the standart citizen is changing is attitude or way of thinking.

btw, im not from Spain but spend part of my childhood there .
Being an hybrid three quarters italian, one quarter spanish, born in Mexico, studied in USA, make just from...nowhere.

 

[Tom]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++

a) You just wanted to make people who actually care for the guy upset
b) You wanted to make people upset to make YOU feel better; revenge type-deal for all the "religious oppression" you suffer
c) You actually think he was just some other bloke, not one of the most caring human beings this world has ever seen
d) You don't even know what you were thinking because thinking is too hard, but wouldn't dream of saying that in any other individual's thread
e) All of the above

f) I don't believe being head of a religion makes you any more important than the average joe working 9-5 in every town in every city of this world. Which was quite obvious from my comment that you quoted btw.

As for why I banned "Yezkimov" I believe once a racist always a racist, and such behaviour has no place on these forums. When banned for something so serious as this I don't personally believe the said user has any right returning, whether under the same name or not .. thats an irrelevance.

I didn't ban Claire because there was never any reason to do so imo. Obviously one of the other mods subsequently thought otherwise and pulled the trigger. I'm happy with my decisions on both these memebrs at that particular point in time.

 

[jaecole]

How can anyone even make a point of Claire not being banned when she holds the freaking record. She was banned like 6 times, she's just here because she won't go away. It's not a moderators fault

 

[Kaiser Franco]

Paul/Shadowfax, if you're reading this, tell me what your take is on the following:

http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/Primo_Piano/2005/08_Agosto/23/armstrongequipe.shtml

 

[ßöмßäяðîëя]

++ [ originally posted by jaecole ] ++
How can anyone even make a point of Claire not being banned when she holds the freaking record. She was banned like 6 times, she's just here because she won't go away. It's not a moderators fault

There is something to be said for her refusal to leave.

 

[jaecole]

++ [ originally posted by Bürke ] ++


There is something to be said for her refusal to leave.

 

[Martin]

++ [ originally posted by Bürke ] ++


There is something to be said for her refusal to leave.

she's really bored?

 

[jaecole]

Doesn't have to come down to boredom. She never spends that much time here, not like she's here day after day like some of us, she's not even regular. Maybe she's just online doing something else at the same time etc. Or more likely, she just likes ranting and complaining and noone else wants to listen to her anymore

Though I'm bored, you?