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Slagathor

Bedpan racing champion
Jul 25, 2001
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SERGIO!

Come back man! I miss you!! :frown:

++ [ originally posted by Erik ] ++
Nuh, we let Serge say whatever the hell he wants because he's never serious anyway. And he's not a grumpy old man when the favour comes back neither; he laughed with me at the compensation car joke, for example.

Truth is, Sergio adds a much needed humorous touch to often exaggeratedly serious discussions about some bollocks subject between stuck-up individuals.

Personally, most of them discussions bore me :yawn:

Serge for über-moderator! :strong:
 

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Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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++ [ originally posted by Dan ] ++


I guess in your case each P would stand for Pedantry. ;)
Hey, I might as well do something with my Latin studies. I didn't study it for six years to keep my mouth shut when I get the opportunity to be pedant!
TBH I don't know how to write that last word :D, it's like that in dutch, but I wouldn't know what it is in English.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,343
++ [ originally posted by Dan ] ++
Its it something like postus ____ ?

Anyway, I guess its good to be a pedant once in a while. Flex the old intellegence.
Well PS means post scriptum.
So after that there would be post post scriptum and so on.
You can't say post scriptum scriptum, now can you? :).
 
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IncuboRossonero

IncuboRossonero

Inferiority complex
Nov 16, 2003
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    ++ [ originally posted by Kaiser Franco ] ++

    Unfortunately nothing has changed in Sicily. If only, Forza Italia has resumed the good old (Christian democrat-inspired) tradition of appeasement with Cosa Nostra, maybe even taking it to a new level. Today Forza Italia owns SIXTY-ONE seats out of SIXTY ONE in the region’s electoral college. I should check the stats, but I don’t think anyone has ever managed to do that before, even the DC in its peak years. You don’t hear about Cosa Nostra too much these days, or at least you don’t hear it waging a war against the gov’t, and that usuallly means that things are rolling for them. They are all too happy to give their votes to the ruling party while being allowed to carry on with business in return. Even more than Dalla Chiesa, I think it's the memory of those real Italian heroes 10 + years ago, judges Falcone and Borsellino, that is being desecrated today. It’s as if all the good work they’ve done has gone up in smoke and they died for nothing. In the late 80’s/early 90’s things really seemed to take a new turn for a moment. The mafia was finally losing some of its invulnerability (for the first time some of the big guns started collaborating and the mega-trial – "maxiprocesso" - in Palermo’s bunker court sent quite a few of their colleagues behind bars). So much that, like a wounded beast, Cosa Nostra had to respond through a bloodshed and assassinated the judges. Now when did the mafia feel so encircled as to have to resort to eliminating them ? That’s right, in 1992, i.e. right after the collapse of all the traditional political parties through Tangentopoli (i.e. Bribesville), starting with the Socialist Party and of course the Christian democrats, and when the ex-communists, which had been kept at bay for the entire Cold War, finally had a say in governmental matters. So yeah, as long as the Christian democracy was the biggest party in Italy’s political life (i.e. pretty much uninterruptedly from 1948 to 1991), life was less complicated for Cosa Nostra. But for all his cunning and enigmatic personality, I can't believe for one second that Andreotti (the 7 time Christian democrat PM who according to Kissinger was one of the most intelligent men in the world, for those reading) has been kissing the cheeks of the boss of all bosses, Totò Riina, during a trip to Sicily, as the legend goes. While I have no doubt that many a Christian democrat in Sicily were directly collaborating with the mafia, few of them have been held accountable and likely never will, whereas Andreotti has been the object of a proper public lynching and demonization exercise that was uncalled for but which had to be expected (even if he was actually acquitted), considering the timing of his accusation (the early 90's) and since he has simply been the most influential political figure in Italy for decades (that is when he said that "power corrupts only those who don’t have any" btw). So no the DC never gave an apology and didn't need to reconcile with its past, because by definition politicians never apologise and never learn from their mistakes (did the communists turned centre-left who are now in the opposition reconcile with their past? Didn't think so) and because, well, the Christian Democracy simply doesn’t exist anymore…
    The hub of Costa Nostra activity or HQ if you well has shifted from Sicily to Canada. Canada's age old criminal code and lack of their own version of the U.S. RICO ACT makes it an ideal location for them to grow. Though Sicilian factions have been present up North since the 50's they have recently (last 10 years) taken a major leap in Mafia terms: two of three heads based in Canada were pointed out by an age old Sicilian captured in Palermo last year as being 'the IT guys'. New York Families who have never recovered from the mass arrests in the late 80's and recently have become more crippled by the 'rats' spilling the goods to the Feds have looked to the families up North for 'guidance' in the old school way.
    Recently, a few Italian-Canadian businessmen were also fingered by the Italian Police as attempting to launder money through the construction of the Sicily-Calabria bridge yet to be built.
    Libero...I would say that unfortunately in places like Calabria the Ndrangheta (Sp?) is and will always be a way of life...much like the baker, butcher and shoe maker have been. These organizations who rule small towns are actually more than just muscle or bullies for citizens who would much rather turn to Don Beppe than il Sindaco for help. Not that I agree with it...however, its roots run deep.
     

    swag

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    Sep 23, 2003
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    ++ [ originally posted by fabiana ] ++
    I couldnt finish watching "Supersize Me" because I was craving McDonalds too much
    Speaking of digging old things out of the trash that may not be so moldy and inedible several weeks later...

    Anyone catch 30 Days this week? Morgan Spurlock, of Supersize Me fame, now hosts a program on F/X where they essentially walk in another person's shoes for 30 days and tell you what it's like. It's a great concept, so I was curious to see how it would pan out for TV.

    This week's episode was about a devout Christian from West Virginia who moves to Dearborn, MI to live with and follow the customs of Muslim families. Good concept and it had a few interesting points, but the end product was still a little light on "meat" (Halal or otherwise).

    Next week they supposedly have some guy coming to my neck of the woods to hang out among the gays in the Castro district of SF. Every hairdresser in town is gonna be on TV, I betcha.
     
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    IncuboRossonero

    IncuboRossonero

    Inferiority complex
    Nov 16, 2003
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    Happy Canada Day to our Canadian friends....

    actually, do we even have any Canadians here. Donny has indicated he was born and raised in Albania.

    WEll anyways here is to Canada for all the great contributions such as Celine Dion, Corey Hart and underaged drinking :lazy:
     

    Vinman

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    Jul 16, 2002
    11,482
    ++ [ originally posted by Kaiser Franco ] ++
    Wow Pado relax. When I said things remained unadressed I wasn't referring to the 350 mil in particular. I know Americans rather give through private channels than through the gov't or God forbid the UN. It was more of a general statement, but whatever. Sometimes we don't address some points because we don't want to start another never-ending argument, and I guess that's just what you were doing there. Maybe I shouldn’t have brought up the Christian Democracy either, or at least I should have put it differently as to not make you believe that I actually like them, which I don’t. But regardless, here’s my take on the subject.


    Unfortunately nothing has changed in Sicily. If only, Forza Italia has resumed the good old (Christian democrat-inspired) tradition of appeasement with Cosa Nostra, maybe even taking it to a new level. Today Forza Italia owns SIXTY-ONE seats out of SIXTY ONE in the region’s electoral college. I should check the stats, but I don’t think anyone has ever managed to do that before, even the DC in its peak years. You don’t hear about Cosa Nostra too much these days, or at least you don’t hear it waging a war against the gov’t, and that usuallly means that things are rolling for them. They are all too happy to give their votes to the ruling party while being allowed to carry on with business in return. Even more than Dalla Chiesa, I think it's the memory of those real Italian heroes 10 + years ago, judges Falcone and Borsellino, that is being desecrated today . It’s as if all the good work they’ve done has gone up in smoke and they died for nothing. In the late 80’s/early 90’s things really seemed to take a new turn for a moment. The mafia was finally losing some of its invulnerability (for the first time some of the big guns started collaborating and the mega-trial – "maxiprocesso" - in Palermo’s bunker court sent quite a few of their colleagues behind bars). So much that, like a wounded beast, Cosa Nostra had to respond through a bloodshed and assassinated the judges. Now when did the mafia feel so encircled as to have to resort to eliminating them ? That’s right, in 1992, i.e. right after the collapse of all the traditional political parties through Tangentopoli (i.e. Bribesville), starting with the Socialist Party and of course the Christian democrats, and when the ex-communists, which had been kept at bay for the entire Cold War, finally had a say in governmental matters. So yeah, as long as the Christian democracy was the biggest party in Italy’s political life (i.e. pretty much uninterruptedly from 1948 to 1991), life was less complicated for Cosa Nostra. But for all his cunning and enigmatic personality, I can't believe for one second that Andreotti (the 7 time Christian democrat PM who according to Kissinger was one of the most intelligent men in the world, for those reading) has been kissing the cheeks of the boss of all bosses, Totò Riina, during a trip to Sicily, as the legend goes. While I have no doubt that many a Christian democrat in Sicily were directly collaborating with the mafia, few of them have been held accountable and likely never will, whereas Andreotti has been the object of a proper public lynching and demonization exercise that was uncalled for but which had to be expected (even if he was actually acquitted), considering the timing of his accusation (the early 90's) and since he has simply been the most influential political figure in Italy for decades (that is when he said that "power corrupts only those who don’t have any" btw). So no the DC never gave an apology and didn't need to reconcile with its past, because by definition politicians never apologise and never learn from their mistakes (did the communists turned centre-left who are now in the opposition reconcile with their past? Didn't think so) and because, well, the Christian Democracy simply doesn’t exist anymore…

    PS : Little Italy is total crap. Sell it to Chinatown.
    PSS : Andy, ok then. Sorry but Im lacking time and I think we pretty much agree now so I don’t have much to add.
    PSSS : Emma, so are you for real ?
    You remember the Falcone assassination back in 1992 ??

    They used over 1,000 pounds of explosives to wipe out his whole motorcade

    The hole from the explosion was at least 20 feet deep :eek:
     

    jaecole

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    Apr 7, 2005
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    One thing I don't understand is how some people of mixed nationality are extremely patriotic to each. How is this possible? Sure there will be a respect there, but don't you just feel like for example an American that dosen't fit in in Italy? How can an american with an american accent, an american attitude and an american life consider himself Italian in such a strong way?

    I say this because I spent alot of time in Ireland, the development years if you will, now I feel like an English man who just dosen't get it, I hate most English for what they are and be glad I'm not, I don't feel any real attachment to either country though I feel at home in Ireland, I feel at ease there, mostly just because my personality clashes with the English usual. That said i'm not Irish in anyway, never have been and don't want to be. Then again I've always been the alternative to everything. If I can't find a real reason I will disgard it. Therefore Tradition dosen't cut it with me.

    This isn't a diss, just wanted to hear some thoughts.
     

    Martin

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    Dec 31, 2000
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    ++ [ originally posted by jaecole ] ++
    One thing I don't understand is how some people of mixed nationality are extremely patriotic to each. How is this possible? Sure there will be a respect there, but don't you just feel like for example an American that dosen't fit in in Italy? How can an american with an american accent, an american attitude and an american life consider himself Italian in such a strong way?

    I say this because I spent alot of time in Ireland, the development years if you will, now I feel like an English man who just dosen't get it, I hate most English for what they are and be glad I'm not, I don't feel any real attachment to either country though I feel at home in Ireland, I feel at ease there, mostly just because my personality clashes with the English usual. That said i'm not Irish in anyway, never have been and don't want to be. Then again I've always been the alternative to everything. If I can't find a real reason I will disgard it. Therefore Tradition dosen't cut it with me.

    This isn't a diss, just wanted to hear some thoughts.
    People are different. I feel like you feel to some extent but I also feel a deep attachment to both, essentially I feel like I'm both. And it's not uncommon either.
     

    Dragon

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    Apr 24, 2003
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    ++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++
    Happy Canada Day to our Canadian friends....

    actually, do we even have any Canadians here. Donny has indicated he was born and raised in Albania.

    WEll anyways here is to Canada for all the great contributions such as Celine Dion, Corey Hart and underaged drinking :lazy:
    Avril Lavigne? Shania Twain? Sum 41?
     

    Vinman

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    Jul 16, 2002
    11,482
    ++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++
    Happy Canada Day to our Canadian friends....

    actually, do we even have any Canadians here. Donny has indicated he was born and raised in Albania.

    WEll anyways here is to Canada for all the great contributions such as Celine Dion, Corey Hart and underaged drinking :lazy:
    My wife is Canadian....

    Happy Canada Day honey !!!
     

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