++ [ originally posted by Kaiser Franco ] ++
Creep, you are officially full of shit.
You told Andy his opinion on the matter was irrelevant because he wasn’t born and lives on another continent. That is already debatable. By that logic, 90% of the British weren't born in WW 2 and their persistent hate for "ze Germans" is unjustified, all the more since the latter not only were made accounatble for their crimes but have also given up their old ways. Regardless : I was born, I am Italian, I know ppl who were directly affected, I live in Brussels and I certainly don’t need you to tell me if my take qualifies as relevant.
I didnt say his opinion was irrelevent. I said it was an irrelevent event on his life and gives him no reason whatsoever to have a hate for Liverpool fans. A little different.
Again I never said anyones opinion was irrelevent, on your case I was simply pointing out that your opinion is like everyone elses. You are not the final word on this topic as Andy would have had you be.
No one is claiming that Juve fans were all angels, just like no one thinks all scoucers were scum. As for who says the Juve fans were as guilty : many English I've talked to about the matter do. Part of your media do. Kenny Dalglish implied it.
Fair enough. Though I live in the city and ive talked about it alot with all forms of Liverpool fans yet Ive never heard anyone say it was Juve fans fault. (Infact I did hear that from one drunken guy, I guess if I was you or andy Id let that decide it for me)
The media? I wouldnt know what they said back then but from any reports Ive read BBC and such ive never ONCE saw anyone say it was Juves fault.
Nevermind the fact that the hooligans had already been breaking windows and causing trouble all afternoon, only needing an excuse to launch an attack. This is not an unusual reaction on your behalf : I've heard the same argument ("they started the shit") being used regarding the WC 98 riots in Marseille or Euro 2000 in Charleroi. It's either that or the fact that the local police is incapable of dealing with your thugs. It’s never you and clearly you would have your nuts set to fire rather than simply say "we are sorry".
Different topics altogether. You've now covered WW2, WC98 and Euro 00. Im talking about heysel here.
But why am I even trying to argue constructively with you : you’re gonna come back with the usual crap and crass direspect for anyone and anything. You deserve as much contempt as the Belgian state does for the mockery of a trial that was made on this tragedy.
Thats a tad over the top.