Nick Against the World (47 Viewers)

[Martin]

I haven't read every post about this (nice way of turning this thread into something concrete btw) but how do you guys feel about the police? We've brushed on this in the past and it's quite relevant in light of what happened last night. I spoke with someone who was at the game, sat in the curva sud and saw what happened up close. The version I heard indicates that there was little fighting going on between the groups of fans and that it was the cops who made it worse by storming in.

But scratch that, I saw Valencia - Barcelona and I experienced it up close myself. We were seated in the section right at the top, the cheapest seats, there was a group of Barcelona fans not far from us, couldn't have been more than 50-60 people. They were mostly singing or yelling but once or twice someone in the group lit a flare. The police was prepared for any trouble, so they patrolled the Barcelona section. What happened when they saw the flare was to storm in, 2 or 3 cops, push whoever was in their way aside, get the flare and move out. Who it is that lit or is holding the flare is immaterial, they will make a way for themselves storming in brutally and whoever is in the wrong place, too bad, the cops aren't shy about using the batons.

Is this kind of brutality necessary? Doesn't it only provoke violent reaction from the "fans"?

 

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[The Pado]

++ [ originally posted by Martin ] ++


How utopian..

Well it is a brave new world

Martin, from what I have seen and experienced, Italy could benefit from a small dose of police brutality. I grow tired of seeing fans streaming onto the pitch (or athletics track surrounding the pitch) while police simply ask them not to ( read last day of every season in Italy, read Torino vs. Milan 2002-03). I grow tired of seeing police running for their lives while angry thugs are beating them (read Avellino vs. Napoli 2003-04).

Perhaps in Spain the police are baton happy, but I do not think Italian police are. Admittedly, I have attended only 10-12 matches in Italy, and have not seen real trouble, but I have seen enough televised action to make my opinion.

 

[IncuboRossonero]

The missing link is tactic and not lack of brutality. Their tactic as Martin mentioned is not effective. I have seen enough police brutality in stadiums but sometimes it just drives others more crazy. Their approach is put out fire with fire ... i.e. tear gas; hoses and baton beatings and sometimes to whoever is in the way. So as not to filter out the bad apples but to make everyone stop.

 

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++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++
Interesting debate/conversation:

At this point in my "sports" viewing experience I have a foot in both sides of the "coin". I miss the safety of the Stadium games but have become addicted to the choreography (fanfare) the new and creative ways the tifosi show support for their team and once in a while I enjoy a good old fashioned food fight with rotting or UnRipened vegtables (getting those in the back sting like a MoFo), free run hen laying eggs (bigger and gooey-er) and the genetically modified "Pear". When the pee balloons, flares being tossed around like frisebees and coins thrown like we are the fontana di Trevi I started to sweat and again long for the Big chested state trooper to break every violation in the police ethics code when they pull the "bad apple" out of the stadium.
The problem here is that there is also this US versus them mentality between police and fans...if a cop gets stuck in an area with 10 or more fans its "GAME OVER" for him.
Padovano is right...there has to be some sort of balance between the best of both worlds ... the utopian game. Whatever.

So basically you want the bad apples throwing bad pears thrown out

 

[IncuboRossonero]

Pado you a cop or something in your spare time?

What is with the DD's cup? partial to the caffeine are we??

 

[IncuboRossonero]

++ [ originally posted by Graham ] ++


So basically you want the bad apples throwing bad pears thrown out

Hmmm...or rather I want the bad apples of the bunch genetically altered into good apples and the pears to be re-genetically forumulated to be eaten...crispy on the outside...melts in your mouth not in your hand...that sort of thing.
Oh yeah...with a partridge in a pear tree.

 

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Toffee apples are delicious

I love it how i can say that and stay on topic in this thread

 

[The Pado]

++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++
Pado you a cop or something in your spare time?

What is with the DD's cup? partial to the caffeine are we??

Charge the criminals by night, defend them by day

Dunkin' Donuts coffee is my life blood. Forget Starbucks and the like, DD is the best in this town (Raleigh, NC). Which leads to the thread mutating yet again - from genetically engineered pears to:

What was the best coffee you ever had?
Mine was anywhere in Madrid, Spain. No matter where I went, the coffee was always the same, and the best I ever tasted. So, I nominate the main train station of Madrid as the best cup of coffee on earth. (And I add my sorrow for the recent bombings in that city).

 

[Vinman]

++ [ originally posted by Martin ] ++
I haven't read every post about this (nice way of turning this thread into something concrete btw) but how do you guys feel about the police? We've brushed on this in the past and it's quite relevant in light of what happened last night. I spoke with someone who was at the game, sat in the curva sud and saw what happened up close. The version I heard indicates that there was little fighting going on between the groups of fans and that it was the cops who made it worse by storming in.

But scratch that, I saw Valencia - Barcelona and I experienced it up close myself. We were seated in the section right at the top, the cheapest seats, there was a group of Barcelona fans not far from us, couldn't have been more than 50-60 people. They were mostly singing or yelling but once or twice someone in the group lit a flare. The police was prepared for any trouble, so they patrolled the Barcelona section. What happened when they saw the flare was to storm in, 2 or 3 cops, push whoever was in their way aside, get the flare and move out. Who it is that lit or is holding the flare is immaterial, they will make a way for themselves storming in brutally and whoever is in the wrong place, too bad, the cops aren't shy about using the batons.

Is this kind of brutality necessary? Doesn't it only provoke violent reaction from the "fans"?

From what I saw last night, the Roma "thugs" should have been beat down

Coming onto the field is TRESSPASSING, a good beatdown of the tifosi plus an arrest was in order- they have NO right to be on the field

Starting fires in the stands ??? Thats called ARSON - its a felony here in New York state , and , if we see someone starting the fire, we are PERMITTED to shoot that person to stop them, in the sense of protecting many other innocent people who may be killed by those lunatics.....

 

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++ [ originally posted by Vinman ] ++
From what I saw last night, the Roma "thugs" should have been beat down

Coming onto the field is TRESSPASSING, a good beatdown of the tifosi plus an arrest was in order- they have NO right to be on the field

Starting fires in the stands ??? Thats called ARSON - its a felony here in New York state , and , if we see someone starting the fire, we are PERMITTED to shoot that person to stop them, in the sense of protecting many other innocent people who may be killed by those lunatics.....

Spoken like a true police officer

Wow, I didn't know you were allowed to shoot someone who's starting a fire, unless it's with a bloody flamethrower or something

Australia has some of the most idiotic laws i've heard of. If you hurt or kill someone who breaks into your house, you can very easily be charged or sued for it. People sue local councils for the stupidest things e.g. there was a case a couple of years ago where a guy went out to the pub and got pissed off his face, then decided to go for a swim at the beach. He hit his head on a sandbar and sued the council for not putting up a sign warning people about it

 

[flieeeekke]

++ [ originally posted by Vinman ] ++


From what I saw last night, the Roma "thugs" should have been beat down

Coming onto the field is TRESSPASSING, a good beatdown of the tifosi plus an arrest was in order- they have NO right to be on the field

Starting fires in the stands ??? Thats called ARSON - its a felony here in New York state , and , if we see someone starting the fire, we are PERMITTED to shoot that person to stop them, in the sense of protecting many other innocent people who may be killed by those lunatics.....

wrong wrong wrong

 

[IncuboRossonero]

ViL: why is it wrong?? (what Vinman said)

Vin: Yes for someone working in law enforcement in the U.S. I'm sure it is an eye opener and jaw dropper. I was just thinking about the thought of the charges against ALL these people if I had still been with the D.A. (assault; arson; disturbing the peace; trespassing; loitering; and on and on :stress: )
But bro..beaten down?? clarify? You mean dispersed or literally beaten down?

Padovano: Best coffee in North America is in "Tim Hortons" in Canada. In the U.S., I don't know...I'm not big on American Coffee. Best coffee in NYC is on Mulberry. (Roma's..if its still around.) The espresso in NYC generally sucks though.

 

[flieeeekke]

++ [ originally posted by Vinman ] ++


From what I saw last night, the Roma "thugs" should have been beat down

1 wrong. beating them down would've cost more trouble and violence. believe me. maybe even invading pitch, attacking players and riot police.

Coming onto the field is TRESSPASSING, a good beatdown of the tifosi plus an arrest was in order- they have NO right to be on the field

2 wrong. ok, i didnt see what exactly happened but those as vin says "thugs" didnt invade the pitch violently and beating everyone in their way. they just came and talked to totti about allegedly killed fan. my mistake if that is not what happened. i just disagree strongly with vinman's methods of dealing with things: beat everyone to death. get real, man.

Starting fires in the stands ??? Thats called ARSON - its a felony here in New York state , and , if we see someone starting the fire, we are PERMITTED to shoot that person to stop them , in the sense of protecting many other innocent people who may be killed by those lunatics.....

3 wrong. no comments needed.


if things are like that in the us no wonder there are no kind of trouble. all fans would be dead by now. maybe police should stop dealing with this kind of crap and go fight the real crimes.

 

[IncuboRossonero]

I'm in between the both of you...and too tired to break it down

here are some pics I found....I DIDN't TAKE THESE

But this is generally what everyone saw

 

[IncuboRossonero]

Scenes like this was common every 20 feet on one side of L'Olimpico ..cars on fire..vespas...etc.

 

[IncuboRossonero]

These were the type of losers that tried to instigate fights at every corner and were throwing anything they could get their hands on...

 

[IncuboRossonero]

These were the losers that started the whole thing (apparently) and were arrested today. How they got this close to the players without being tackled down is beyond me...this was a total breach of security (Vilh. even YOU would agree here)...Why did Totti even talk to them and encourage them

 

[IncuboRossonero]

Another one that kills me...fire in the middle of the stands! A disaster could have occured..just shoot these savages with rubber bullets to warn them at least.

 

[Layce Erayce]

am lovin these pics

 

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Thanks for the pics Nick. This is nuts