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[The Pado]

Padova is leading Avellino in the 60', 2-0. This is my father's home club vs. my mother's home club, hehehe.

I'll bet the referee is from Padova, attended university in Padova, and is the president of the the Del Piero, Amoruso, Toldo, or Di Livio chapter of the Padova fan club. Rotten Roman (add Milan) Conspiracy theorists. Cry today, cry tomorrow.

 

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[Seven]

++ [ originally posted by Padovano ] ++
Seven, when a referee blows a call it can hardly be seen as a particular club cheating. Chievo deserved a goal, the linesman got it wrong, and that has nothing to do with any acts or omissions on the part of Juventus.

One call hasn't got anything to do with any acts or omissions on the part of Juventus. But what about hundreds of calls in several decades? I hope I'm wrong, but it's realistic to assume we cheat.

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by Seven ] ++


One call hasn't got anything to do with any acts or omissions on the part of Juventus. But what about hundreds of calls in several decades? I hope I'm wrong, but it's realistic to assume we cheat.

Nonsense. In every league the top clubs are given more calls by the referees because they "earn the respect" of the people in charge. When a call is in doubt, give it to the more established team. You also have to realize that Juventus is supposedly the most supported club in Italy, so you never know about the mentality of referees to this subject.

It's hardly cheating.

 

[KB824]

Its not cheating, its more accurate to say that Juve is the beneficiary of "excessive favoratism".

 

[KB824]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++



Nonsense. In every league the top clubs are given more calls by the referees because they "earn the respect" of the people in charge. When a call is in doubt, give it to the more established team. You also have to realize that Juventus is supposedly the most supported club in Italy, so you never know about the mentality of referees to this subject.

It's hardly cheating.

Yes, but the question is:


Is it right??

And in the end, when there are suspicions or assumptions that the Scudetto is essentially a two team race from the first whistle, then what motivation is there for other teams to actually try and improve themselves?

Don't you think that having Juve or Milan winning every other year is a detrement to the league as a whole?

 

[The Pado]

Sergio, until someone with Chelsea money comes in, don't expect a change. The finanacial climate in football is such that every league has only two or three clubs capable of winning the title, and that is unfortunate.

 

[KB824]

++ [ originally posted by Padovano ] ++
Sergio, until someone with Chelsea money comes in, don't expect a change. The finanacial climate in football is such that every league has only two or three clubs capable of winning the title, and that is unfortunate.

I understand that totally, Robert.


I've stated before that a system similar to what American sports do (Draft system, minor league squads) could be the first step into what would amount to parity in all the leagues.


However, its FAR more difficult to do that on a global scale. Unless, of course, the amount of foreign players is severely restricted, and the draft system could be used for its domestic players.

 

[Seven]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++



Nonsense. In every league the top clubs are given more calls by the referees because they "earn the respect" of the people in charge. When a call is in doubt, give it to the more established team. You also have to realize that Juventus is supposedly the most supported club in Italy, so you never know about the mentality of referees to this subject.

It's hardly cheating.

Perhaps. But that's wrong as well. Besides, I don't think someone like Moggi would have moral objections against cheating. Thing is, we do get a lot calls in our favour and you'd have to be an idiot not to think that's suspicious.

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by Sergio ] ++


Yes, but the question is:


Is it right??

And in the end, when there are suspicions or assumptions that the Scudetto is essentially a two team race from the first whistle, then what motivation is there for other teams to actually try and improve themselves?

Don't you think that having Juve or Milan winning every other year is a detrement to the league as a whole?

Of course it's not right, however it's not an easy thing to stop. I do hate seeing us being favored when the refs obviously miss the right call against us, however what can we do? If the refs can't make a clear-cut decision what are they supposed to do? Well, they give the 50/50 calls to the team with more prestige. You see this happen in all sports frankly. It's not right at all but what can we do?

Oh, and the teams with no chance of winning the Scudetto can fight for a UEFA Cup spot or fight off relegation. Even if the top teams would not get as many calls they would still be the top teams, maybe not in the exact order in the standings but in the same general area.

 

[KB824]

++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++



Oh, and the teams with no chance of winning the Scudetto can fight for a UEFA Cup spot or fight off relegation. Even if the top teams would not get as many calls they would still be the top teams, maybe not in the exact order in the standings but in the same general area.

So, in other words its OK for some of these teams to strive for 2nd level status.

See, in my opinion, that is pretty messed up.

Its Ok for people like us who happen to support a top-flight club such as Juventus or Milan, but if we were supporters of Palermo, or Parma, we would all be singing an entirely different tune.

 

[Eaglesnake_1]

++ [ originally posted by Seven ] ++


One call hasn't got anything to do with any acts or omissions on the part of Juventus. But what about hundreds of calls in several decades? I hope I'm wrong, but it's realistic to assume we cheat.

Wait a moment.

We dont cheat unless we had directly bribe or pressed directly to alter the desicion of a referee. The fact that some of them psychologically impared to take some calls, or are just plain idiots, doesnt mean we are cheating.

 

[Respaul]

++ [ originally posted by Eaglesnake_1 ] ++


Wait a moment.

We dont cheat unless we had directly bribe or pressed directly to alter the desicion of a referee. The fact that some of them psychologically impared to take some calls, or are just plain idiots, doesnt mean we are cheating.

Its not jus about a bit favouritism or bias or the odd incorrect calls in our favour.... How many bribery scandals have we be involved in over the years... even going so far as bribing the ref in a european cup semi final.... There are so so many instances... Its a common occurance throughout our history

 

[IncuboRossonero]

++ [ originally posted by Padovano ] ++
Padova is leading Avellino in the 60', 2-0. This is my father's home club vs. my mother's home club, hehehe.

I'll bet the referee is from Padova, attended university in Padova, and is the president of the the Del Piero, Amoruso, Toldo, or Di Livio chapter of the Padova fan club. Rotten Roman (add Milan) Conspiracy theorists. Cry today, cry tomorrow.

I'll bet he started the defunct local chapter of the CLUB JUVENTUS EDWIN VAN DER SAR FAN CLUB and lost all his money in the process trying lobby for "Edwin Day" in Padova. Either that or he is just pro-Juve...

 

[Kaiser Franco]

++ [ originally posted by Shadowfax ] ++


Its not jus about a bit favouritism or bias or the odd incorrect calls in our favour.... How many bribery scandals have we be involved in over the years... even going so far as bribing the ref in a european cup semi final.... There are so so many instances... Its a common occurance throughout our history

Paul, you're talking to a guy who excuses systematic doping on behalf of his team with the possibility that other teams have, at some point, used creatine for a month or two.

 

[Nicole]

++ [ originally posted by Padovano ] ++


Ohhh, good one, Roma fan. But tell me why it is that every referee that has ever earned his professional license hates poor Roma. This is your club's theory. Are Referees born hating poor Roma, or do they attend meetings where they are instructed to hate poor Roma, or do they hate poor Roma because they get struck in the head by flying objects in poor Roma's stadium?

Your European record is as pathetic as your domestic record, and for a club that has enjoyed the resources that AS Roma has, that is completely unacceptable. 100 years of blaming the referee will only give rise to another 100 years of blaming the referee for your failures. Look within, poor Roma.

You should learn success isnt the be-all and end-all, yes for a club like Roma we have overachieved, but we certainly havent had any help, I am not blaming refs all the time, but no-one in the world can ever say with a staightface that we HAVENT be screwed over by refs in the past...

Success comes in cycle and one day Juve will not be successful, if success is the be-all and end-all, what are you going to do when it happens? And it does happen...

I'm not trying to annoy anyone, but you also cant deny that Juve through the years and still to a certain extent nowadays have had refs favouring them, whether it was by Juve bribing them or not...

 

[IncuboRossonero]

Also wondered:

Could DP have re-ignited his career at Milan??

 

[Kaiser Franco]

It hasn't worked for Baggio..

 

[IncuboRossonero]

true but I believe he was an asset in winning the Scudetto the year he arrived despite contrary beliefs. More over, that was a different Milan .. it was not as open to letting experienced talent flourish for an extended amount of time. Players like Cafu, Crespo, Costacurta, Pancaro have all enjoyed extended 'playing days' at a top level thanks to the rotation system and the team having realistic expectations of certain individuals (i.e. use them for what they do best).
DP fitting into this system is another story but had he come along with Pippo I could see him having a big role though not a permanent starting one.

(ok my paragraph made no sense..I had too much espresso)

 

[Kaiser Franco]

Actually it does. This is definitely a very different Milan, one where noble old wine has the chance to properly mature, so Godot would be given the time and above all the serenity to reassess himself and fit in. And thinking of it now I would have liked to see DP wearing red and black. His seriousness and fair-play match our philosophy. Hey, maybe there’s still time. After this we should open a Milan Spa of some sort though, where allegedly washed-up professionals would follow rejuvinating cures allowing them to carry on for another few years at the top level. Maybe Del Piero’s commercial for Acqua minerale Uliveto could become our testimonial ad…

 

[Negative Creep]

Im one of 'the lucky few' that nick showed his pic to. Might aswell post it up.

I present, at long last. IncuboRossonero.