Nick Against the World (58 Viewers)

Vinman

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Jul 16, 2002
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Seven said:
I'm watching Donnie Brasco on tv, but something about the movie seems odd to me. Joe's an undercover agent and has a wife and kids. His wife wants a divorce. My first reaction is: Joe didn't become an undercover agent overnight did he? If you're undercover the last thing you need is a wife that hates you because "you're not at home all the time.". My second: do agents with a wife and kids go undercover anyway? Seems too risky on several accounts.
no, Joe didnt become an undercover agent overnight...he was picked for this assignment, and probably had months of training to get him ready to infiltrate the mob family (along with actual jeweler training...he was known to the mob family as a jewel thief)

I am sure that there are plenty of FBI agents out there who have wives and kids..but I do agree that it could be quite risky
 

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L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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Jeeks said:
Too late Greg, you didn't catch Saddam.. I heard he used blood for writting instead of ink.
Hey -- Saddam was a secular guy. "Blood of the infidels" just didn't have the same marketing pizazz to Saddam, particularly when the guy fashioned himself as greater than any god, so I probably would have been undervalued on the market.

Elvin said:
So which part tasted the best? Istanbul or Ankara?
You know, "corn" in Italian is "granturco" -- or "the great Turk". :confused: The Spanish brought it over from the New World (as they did with potatoes) and gave it to the Arabs, and probably the Italians couldn't tell the difference between Arabs and Turks for that matter.

But in any case, I had no corn for dinner tonight. :pumpkin:
 

Bozi

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Oct 18, 2005
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swag said:
I did 39 days myself -- and pulled out at the last moment to save me the trouble:
you do know you are going to hell then dont you?














:p
should have done the last day, claires bowel prolapse wouls have pushed right back in you know
 

swag

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Bozi said:
:p
should have done the last day, claires bowel prolapse wouls have pushed right back in you know
I was hoping my order of baking tubes from pattycake.com would have arrived in time to help facilitate the act on that 40th day, but alas it did not. :(
 

Vinman

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Jul 16, 2002
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In the USA you can bad-mouth George W Bush all you want, and nothing will happen

not so when it comes to Russia and Putin, comrades-


Radioactive Substance in Ex-Spy's Body
Former KGB Operative Dies in London Hospital
By JILL LAWLESS, AP

LONDON (Nov. 24) - A former KGB agent turned Kremlin critic who blamed a "barbaric and ruthless" Russian President Vladimir Putin for his fatal poisoning had a toxic radioactive substance in his body, the British government said Friday.

In the statement dictated from his deathbed, Alexander Litvinenko accused the Russian leader of having "no respect for life, liberty or any civilized value." In his first public remarks on the allegations, Putin said he deplored the former spy's death but called the statement a political provocation.

The Health Protection Agency said the radioactive element polonium-210 had been found in Litvinenko's urine.

The agency's chief executive, Pat Troop, said that the high level indicated Litvinenko "would either have to have eaten it, inhaled it or taken it in through a wound."

"We know he had a major dose," she said.

Earlier, Home Secretary John Reid said Litvinenko's death Thursday night was "linked to the presence of a radioactive substance in his body."

Litvinenko, a vociferous critic of the Russian government, suffered heart failure late Thursday after days in intensive care at London's University College Hospital battling a poison that had attacked his bone marrow and destroyed his immune system.

"You may succeed in silencing me but that silence comes at a price. You have shown yourself to be as barbaric and ruthless as your most hostile critics have claimed," Litvinenko said in the statement read by his friend and spokesman Alex Goldfarb. The former spy said "the howl of protest from around the world will reverberate, Mr. Putin, in your ears for the rest of your life."

Goldfarb said Litvinenko had dictated the statement before he lost consciousness on Tuesday, and signed it in the presence of his wife, Marina.

Litvinenko's father, Walter, said his son "fought this regime and this regime got him."

"It was an excruciating death and he was taking it as a real man," Walter Litvinenko said.

The Russian government has strongly denied involvement, and Putin told reporters at a European Union summit Friday in Helsinki, Finland, that British medical documents did not show "that it was a result of violence, this is not a violent death, so there is no ground for speculations of this kind."

Putin extended his condolences to Litvinenko's family.

"A death of a man is always a tragedy and I deplore this," Putin said.

Putin said the fact that Litvinenko's statement was released only after his death showed it was a "provocation."

"It's extremely regrettable that such a tragic event as death is being used for political provocations," he said.

"I think our British colleagues realize the measure of their responsibility for security of citizens living on their territory, including Russian citizens, no matter what their political views are. I hope that they won't help fan political scandals which have no grounds."

Putin said Russia "will offer all necessary help to the investigation."

Litvinenko told police that he believed he had been poisoned on Nov. 1, while investigating the slaying of crusading journalist Anna Politkovskaya. His hair fell out, his throat became swollen, and his immune and nervous systems were severely damaged.

He was transferred from a north London hospital to University College Hospital on Nov. 17 when his condition deteriorated.

Doctors treating him acknowledged they could not explain his rapid decline. They discounted earlier theories that the 43-year-old father of three had been poisoned with the toxic metal thallium and cast doubt on an alternative diagnosis of a radioactive substance.

The hospital said Friday it could not comment further because the case was being investigated by police. London's Metropolitan Police said it was treating the case as an "unexplained death" _ but not, yet, a murder.

Litvinenko's friends had little doubt about who was to blame.

They said Litvinenko, who sought asylum in Britain in 2000, had been on a quest to uncover corruption in Russia's Federal Security Service, or FSB, and unmask the killers of Politkovskaya, another trenchant critic of Putin's government.

Goldfarb said the attack on Litvinenko bore "all the hallmarks of a very professional, sophisticated and specialist operation."

"The very fact that experts are still at a loss to say what poisoned him tells you it is not a sleeping pill that has been given to him," he said.

Another friend, Andrei Nekrasov, said Litvinenko had told him: "The bastards got me, but they won't get everybody."

He said Litvinenko believed he had been targeted by the Kremlin because he had threatened to uncover embarrassing facts.

"The only logic is revenge, they consider him an enemy _ every week he was in Putin's face, he was a tireless critic of Putin's regime ... He had a mission to uncover what he felt were crimes his former colleagues had committed," Nekrasov said.

Litvinenko worked for the KGB and its successor, the FSB. In 1998, he publicly accused his superiors of ordering him to kill tycoon Boris Berezovsky and spent nine months in jail from 1999 on charges of abuse of office. He was later acquitted and in 2000 sought asylum in Britain, where Berezovsky is now also living in exile.

On the day he first felt ill, Litvinenko said he had two meetings, the first with an unnamed Russian and Andrei Lugovoy, an-KGB colleague and bodyguard to former Russian Prime Minster Yegor Gaidar.

Later, he dined with Italian security expert Mario Scaramella to discuss the October murder of Politkovskaya.

Scaramella said he showed Litvinenko an e-mail he received from a source naming Politkovskaya's killers, and naming other targets including Litvinenko and himself.


11/24/2006 11:06:14
Fli, whats going on over there ??

Is the old Soviet Union ready to come out of its slumber ?? :eyebrows:
 

swag

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Vinman said:
In the USA you can bad-mouth George W Bush all you want, and nothing will happen
Uhhh, once again, tell that to Valerie Plame.

Unless you believe that if your husband publicly questions the merits of WMD intelligence used to justify a war in Iraq, this rightfully allows the government to expose your CIA identity and sell you out to the enemy.
 

Snoop

Sabet is a nasty virgin
Oct 2, 2001
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Vinman said:
In the USA you can bad-mouth George W Bush all you want, and nothing will happen

not so when it comes to Russia and Putin, comrades-




Fli, whats going on over there ??

Is the old Soviet Union ready to come out of its slumber ?? :eyebrows:
forza Commies! Forever!!
 

Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
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Vinman said:
In the USA you can bad-mouth George W Bush all you want, and nothing will happen

not so when it comes to Russia and Putin, comrades-
The Economist did a survey recently on the state of democracy in various countries. They do an annual ranking on the most democratic countries, based on certain criteria. Sweden was ranked as number one, the US was 17th, while Russia way way down the list at 102nd. So with things like freedom of expression, it's still natural to assume that you can get away with a lot more in the US than Russia.

http://www.economist.com/theworldin/international/displayStory.cfm?story_id=8166790&d=2007

The ranking: http://www.economist.com/media/pdf/DEMOCRACY_TABLE_2007_v3.pdf
 

Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
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Vinman said:
In the USA you can bad-mouth George W Bush all you want, and nothing will happen

not so when it comes to Russia and Putin, comrades-
The Economist did a survey recently on the state of democracy in various countries. They do an annual ranking on the most democratic countries, based on certain criteria. Sweden was ranked as number one, the US was 17th, while Russia way way down the list at 102nd. So with things like freedom of expression, it's still natural to assume that you can get away with a lot more in the US than Russia.

http://www.economist.com/theworldin/international/displayStory.cfm?story_id=8166790&d=2007

The ranking is a pdf link on that page, scroll down to where "countries" is displayed in red.
 

swag

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I saw data from something like that survey in a recent Sunday New York Times -- except it showed a geographic map with the nations shaded to the degree of the country's transparency and democratic rule.

I turned to my wife while reading it one morning with the non-sequitur of, "Hey, check this out ... according to this study, the U.S. is as corrupt as Italy."
 

Geof

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May 14, 2004
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Martin said:
The Economist did a survey recently on the state of democracy in various countries. They do an annual ranking on the most democratic countries, based on certain criteria. Sweden was ranked as number one, the US was 17th, while Russia way way down the list at 102nd. So with things like freedom of expression, it's still natural to assume that you can get away with a lot more in the US than Russia.

http://www.economist.com/theworldin/international/displayStory.cfm?story_id=8166790&d=2007

The ranking is a pdf link on that page, scroll down to where "countries" is displayed in red.
Interesting. Although I always take this kind of studies with a bucket of salt.

Some stats are really questionable, such as the one labeling France's political culture at 7.5/10, while I think it should be much higher. The French adore to talk about politics, I'd give them at least a 8 or a 9 on that matter.

As for Belgium, it's true we have a pretty low political culture, and we also get a low grade on "political participation". Hmmm.. Voting is compulsory over here, so that flaws the statistics... I went through the methodology pdf and discovered that a nation gets a 0 on the question about voting turnout when it's compulsory. What the hell?? It's a serious debate, but I don't feel forcing the people to vote is a bad thing for democracy. People are free to chose for who they vote, and are even free not to vote, by just returning a blank voting bill.

Anyway, it's a good thing to remember that democracy isn't always guaranteed, and is something individuals should fight for every day.
 

Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
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Geof said:
Interesting. Although I always take this kind of studies with a bucket of salt.

Some stats are really questionable, such as the one labeling France's political culture at 7.5/10, while I think it should be much higher. The French adore to talk about politics, I'd give them at least a 8 or a 9 on that matter.
The thing is that I don't know what 'political culture' is supposed to mean. You have to look at their criteria, and the definitions of those criteria before you can claim something is off. Which I'm too lazy for. :p
 

Geof

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Martin said:
The thing is that I don't know what 'political culture' is supposed to mean. You have to look at their criteria, and the definitions of those criteria before you can claim something is off. Which I'm too lazy for. :p
Well, I opened the Method pdf, but I must admit I'm also a bit too lazy to read the whole thing. :pint:
 

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