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L'autista
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The Pado said:
LOL :D

After being terrorized every day as a child, I laugh at these dip shits being called terrorists today. If Bush wants to win a war, he should just lock a few enemy combatants in a room with my brother. Game, set, and match.
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Tera! Tera! Tera!

I hear you, man.

So over the weekend, I hooked up with my officer ninja brother. There was another gun show in town at SF's Cow Palace. And while I've gone to the range with my brother on occasion, never before have I had the opportunity to experience the anthropologist's wet dream of a genuine gun show - and all the elements that attracts. Yes, even in bleeding liberal pro-terrorist San Francisco.

So I got past the NRA sign-ups as I entered. Friendly folks with generally good hearts and all, but I also saw a lot of people who don't/didn't really have much of a future. Not a valedictorian in the lot. These were not the sharpest tools in the shed.

There's the bumper sticker guys. A lot of villifying illegal immigrants. It's good to know that the motivators behind groups like the KKK are still alive and well in society. (Hey, racial profiling does prevent crime!) And of course it was only a coincidence that the mock Nazi uniforms were on sale nearby.

Oh, and it wouldn't be complete without the free bibles next to my shooting glasses. Don't get me wrong -- I am not against gun ownership. My wife's family have run farms and I'm used to them. And I have nothing against the religious prosthelitizing. Freedom of religion and all. But can someone explain to me why the two must somehow go together? Not that Guns For God should be mutually exclusive, but to have any sort of linkage at all seems about as reverent as Pampers and beer.

And the terrorist body bag gag... cute. But since when has Saddam Hussein gone off the Islamic religious handle and instructed young men to strap C-4 explosives to their chests? Do they need to start giving out instructions in newspapers for how to read them and understand them now?

It did raise a question...the vitriolic reaction to terrorists and illegal immigrants that seemed wholly disproportional to the threat seemed to really push these people's buttons. The way that my PETA-freak mom will yawn when the news reports that a three-year-old was run over by a car, but she'll go into hysterics when it's a three-year-old dog. (Terrorists piss me off, but the stats are that I am more likely to die from an asteroid collision than a terrorist attack -- and not an anti-asteroid T-shirt or belt buckle was to be found there.)

Hmmm. Let's see... these people are into the heavy prosthelitizing of religion combined with a love of weaponry. Hmmm. Who else does that make me think of??... Maybe... Terrorists??!

Nah... that would make them a lot alike. And we know that's impossible.

God bless America.

(The trip was a success, however. My brother bought four bayonetes as Christmas gifts for his friends.)
 
Martin

Martin

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Sir Elton: Ban organised religion

Sir Elton John has said he would like to see all organised religion banned and accused it of trying to "turn hatred towards gay people".

Organised religion lacked compassion and turned people into "hateful lemmings", he told the Observer.

But the musician said he loved the idea of the teachings of Jesus Christ and the beautiful stories about it which he had learned at Sunday school.

And he said there were many gays he knew who loved their religion.

'Doesn't work'

His comments were made in a special gay edition of the Observer Music Monthly Magazine, where he was interviewed by Scissor Sisters' Jake Shears.

"I think religion has always tried to turn hatred towards gay people," he said. "Religion promotes the hatred and spite against gays.

"But there are so many people I know who are gay and love their religion."

According to the singer-songwriter, 59, his solution would be to "ban religion completely, even though there are some wonderful things about it".

He added: "I love the idea of the teachings of Jesus Christ and the beautiful stories about it, which I loved in Sunday school and I collected all the little stickers and put them in my book.

"But the reality is that organised religion doesn't seem to work. It turns people into hateful lemmings and it's not really compassionate."

He also said that the problems experienced by many gays in former nations of the Soviet bloc, such as Poland, Latvia and Russia were caused by the church supporting anti-gay movements.

'God's people'

And he called on the leaders of major religions to hold a "conclave" to discuss the fate of the world - which he said was "near escalating to World War Three".

"I said this after 9/11 and people thought I was nuts," he said. "It's all got to be dialogue - that's the only way. Get everybody from each religion together and say 'Listen, this can't go on. Why do we have all this hatred?'

"We are all God's people; we have to get along and the [religious leaders] have to lead the way. If they don't do it, who else is going to do it? They're not going to do it and it's left to musicians or to someone else to deal with it."

He also said he would continue to campaign for gay rights.

"I'm going to fight for them, whether I do it silently behind the scenes or so vocally that I get locked up."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6140710.stm

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I'm up for it, who else?
 
Snoop

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Oct 2, 2001
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Martin said:
Sir Elton: Ban organised religion

Sir Elton John has said he would like to see all organised religion banned and accused it of trying to "turn hatred towards gay people".

Organised religion lacked compassion and turned people into "hateful lemmings", he told the Observer.

But the musician said he loved the idea of the teachings of Jesus Christ and the beautiful stories about it which he had learned at Sunday school.

And he said there were many gays he knew who loved their religion.

'Doesn't work'

His comments were made in a special gay edition of the Observer Music Monthly Magazine, where he was interviewed by Scissor Sisters' Jake Shears.

"I think religion has always tried to turn hatred towards gay people," he said. "Religion promotes the hatred and spite against gays.

"But there are so many people I know who are gay and love their religion."

According to the singer-songwriter, 59, his solution would be to "ban religion completely, even though there are some wonderful things about it".

He added: "I love the idea of the teachings of Jesus Christ and the beautiful stories about it, which I loved in Sunday school and I collected all the little stickers and put them in my book.

"But the reality is that organised religion doesn't seem to work. It turns people into hateful lemmings and it's not really compassionate."

He also said that the problems experienced by many gays in former nations of the Soviet bloc, such as Poland, Latvia and Russia were caused by the church supporting anti-gay movements.

'God's people'

And he called on the leaders of major religions to hold a "conclave" to discuss the fate of the world - which he said was "near escalating to World War Three".

"I said this after 9/11 and people thought I was nuts," he said. "It's all got to be dialogue - that's the only way. Get everybody from each religion together and say 'Listen, this can't go on. Why do we have all this hatred?'

"We are all God's people; we have to get along and the [religious leaders] have to lead the way. If they don't do it, who else is going to do it? They're not going to do it and it's left to musicians or to someone else to deal with it."

He also said he would continue to campaign for gay rights.

"I'm going to fight for them, whether I do it silently behind the scenes or so vocally that I get locked up."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6140710.stm

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I'm up for it, who else?
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up for what?

most of religious leaders are fools, if not all of them, you can't do anything about it, it is lame that people thnik that God hates Gays, I never read anything about it in Bible thou, I never heard that God hates this or that..

I didn't really undertand what Elton John wants to do, by fighting for this, I am up for it if it is something logical, but don't ask me to go on streets with banners "leave the Gays alone" :D
 
Snoop

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Martin said:
Are you saying he's wrong tho? That religions don't incite hatred and discrimination towards gays?
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asking me?

I can't recall anything mentioned in Bible about Gays, I might be wrong thou. But If you mean Religion as what Pope thinks, and not bible. Yeah it is the way you say.
 
Zé Tahir

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Martin said:
Are you saying he's wrong tho? That religions don't incite hatred and discrimination towards gays?
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Religion teaches not to hate, so no, on paper one shouldn't hate a gay person.

This whole argument is lengthy and complicated though.
 
Martin

Martin

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Zé Tahir said:
Religion teaches not to hate, so no, on paper one shouldn't hate a gay person.

This whole argument is lengthy and complicated though.
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Of course 'religion' in itself doesn't encourage hatred, that's neither here nor there. But 'religion' as in the institutionalized form of religion, DOES. Ergo Elton John etc.
 
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