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mikhail

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Jan 24, 2003
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Certainly no less skillful than Gatusso.

It's easy to say that players like that aren't very good, but no matter how much their attitude and stamina defines their game, they're very good players. They couldn't do what they do (or did in Keane's case) otherwise.
 

Seven

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Jun 25, 2003
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mikhail said:
Certainly no less skillful than Gatusso.

It's easy to say that players like that aren't very good, but no matter how much their attitude and stamina defines their game, they're very good players. They couldn't do what they do (or did in Keane's case) otherwise.
Keane and Gattuso bring heart and grinta to a team. For all his skill Del Piero will never be able to do what Gattuso does and neither was Giggs ever able to do what Keane did for Man U. You need both types of players to be succesful, it's that simple.
 

Bozi

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I was standing in my kitchen today making a pot of espresso, which i badly needed after a nightshift. when i decide to look at the label of my fine fair trade coffee,and i started to wonder just what all this "fair trade jargon" really meant. so far i have deducted that........

Fair Trade-Instead of breaking their backs in the production of coffee for big companies, workers are now encouraged to break their backs and give their governments all the profits

No Worker Exploitation- Instead of working for big coffee companies, 120 strong families of inbred's are encouraed to work for themselves. sending their own kids out to work

Natural Fertilisation-A richer,fuller flavour derived from them shitting in the fields and spreading their muck all over the plants. for that home-grown-flavour

No Pesticides-6 year old boys schooling is in how to sit in a filed and whack insects, higher education on how to spot a herd of locusts

No Additives-cant afford to make it taste better, just like regular shit coffee

No Pollution-grown in an environment where they cannot afford to buy cars,tv's,air conditioning

Packed full of extra organic flavour-it is sent to pado who gives it his seal of approval and its distinct extra bite
 

swag

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Interesting topic, since a lot of folks are treating this fair trade business as if to buy any other kind of coffee makes you Pol Pot.

Bozi said:
I was standing in my kitchen today making a pot of espresso, which i badly needed after a nightshift. when i decide to look at the label of my fine fair trade coffee,and i started to wonder just what all this "fair trade jargon" really meant. so far i have deducted that........

Fair Trade-Instead of breaking their backs in the production of coffee for big companies, workers are now encouraged to break their backs and give their governments all the profits
In a lot of cases, they actually break their backs and give small companies all the profits instead.

No Worker Exploitation- Instead of working for big coffee companies, 120 strong families of inbred's are encouraed to work for themselves. sending their own kids out to work
Paying below minimum wage isn't exploitation... it's an opportunity!

Natural Fertilisation-A richer,fuller flavour derived from them shitting in the fields and spreading their muck all over the plants. for that home-grown-flavour
And doing so illegally in protected rainforests. :agree:

Packed full of extra organic flavour-it is sent to pado who gives it his seal of approval and its distinct extra bite
Excellent use of smilies, Bozi. :D

And remember, Fair Trade works for you if you work for Fair Trade. ;) :coffee:
 

Bozi

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swag said:
Interesting topic, since a lot of folks are treating this fair trade business as if to buy any other kind of coffee makes you Pol Pot.



In a lot of cases, they actually break their backs and give small companies all the profits instead.



Paying below minimum wage isn't exploitation... it's an opportunity!



And doing so illegally in protected rainforests. :agree:



Excellent use of smilies, Bozi. :D

And remember, Fair Trade works for you if you work for Fair Trade. ;) :coffee:
you know that the whole process ahs gone arse to elbow when mcdonalds and starbucks get involved :disagree: but whatever makes these stiff-collared,middle-class,eco-conscious blowhards feel better about themselves and able to sneer at us.
 

swag

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Bozi said:
you know that the whole process ahs gone arse to elbow when mcdonalds and starbucks get involved :disagree: but whatever makes these stiff-collared,middle-class,eco-conscious blowhards feel better about themselves and able to sneer at us.
It's been a long strange trip. I've been aware of the whole Fair Trade thing for a number of years. Ironically, it was developed as sort of a response to the big business practices of the likes of Nestlé, Sara Lee, Proctor & Gamble, and Kraft Foods -- where they helped the Vietnamese grow and flood the market with C-grade robusta beans at $0.40/pound, putting any quality grower almost out of business with an inability to recoup costs. Fair Trade was also a response to the big retailers like McDonald's and Starbucks who encouraged those cutthroat price practices with mass quantity, questionable-grade beans.

To that extent, Fair Trade has been a success story in that now McDonald's and Starbucks -- two examples that were the whole cause for Fair Trade -- flipped sides and now support the causes. But Fair Trade has really gotten out of hand, IMO, particularly in the past year when all the "stiff-collared,middle-class,eco-conscious blowhards" suddenly got a hold of it and started to demonize anybody who produced or drank coffee that didn't carry the Fair Trade label.

Fair Trade is a completely flawed attempt at a problem. Some argue that it's better than nothing at all, while others disagree. What it's created is a Fair Trade cartel of sorts that works for some farms in a select few countries. But it's punished other farmers and created a lot of abuses too. It's gotten so bad that one of the premiere, high-end roasters in the U.S., Chicago's Intelligentsia, recently discontinued doing any business with Fair Trade. (THey created their own "Direct Trade" labelling in response to how shady Fair Trade has become.)

So what we have now are all these eco-conscious blowhards that are a couple of years behind of where they should be, promoting something now they should have been a couple years ago, but by now they should be questioning its value and recognizing all its flaws ... for which they are blindly not doing at all yet. :smoke:
 

Bozi

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swag said:
It's been a long strange trip. I've been aware of the whole Fair Trade thing for a number of years. Ironically, it was developed as sort of a response to the big business practices of the likes of Nestlé, Sara Lee, Proctor & Gamble, and Kraft Foods -- where they helped the Vietnamese grow and flood the market with C-grade robusta beans at $0.40/pound, putting any quality grower almost out of business with an inability to recoup costs. Fair Trade was also a response to the big retailers like McDonald's and Starbucks who encouraged those cutthroat price practices with mass quantity, questionable-grade beans.

To that extent, Fair Trade has been a success story in that now McDonald's and Starbucks -- two examples that were the whole cause for Fair Trade -- flipped sides and now support the causes. But Fair Trade has really gotten out of hand, IMO, particularly in the past year when all the "stiff-collared,middle-class,eco-conscious blowhards" suddenly got a hold of it and started to demonize anybody who produced or drank coffee that didn't carry the Fair Trade label.

Fair Trade is a completely flawed attempt at a problem. Some argue that it's better than nothing at all, while others disagree. What it's created is a Fair Trade cartel of sorts that works for some farms in a select few countries. But it's punished other farmers and created a lot of abuses too. It's gotten so bad that one of the premiere, high-end roasters in the U.S., Chicago's Intelligentsia, recently discontinued doing any business with Fair Trade. (THey created their own "Direct Trade" labelling in response to how shady Fair Trade has become.)

So what we have now are all these eco-conscious blowhards that are a couple of years behind of where they should be, promoting something now they should have been a couple years ago, but by now they should be questioning its value and recognizing all its flaws ... for which they are blindly not doing at all yet. :smoke:
well put and i dont think i can really add much except that this is typical of these people who jump on the latest "flavour of the month" to keep them from feeling guilty about their own excesses

**edit** i feel this is a good nomination for post of the month but the kids wont buy it, too educational**
 

Bozi

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ßömßärdîër said:
i said he had no skill, heart is different.
true, though by that logic i must be great, i have a loyto of heart, never stop running and never give up, though i have the first touch of a baby elephant
 

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