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Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,329
Erik-with-a-k said:
I don't doubt that anymore. The whole thing is pathetic. The sentences are so light it's not even funny anymore. We're talking corruption and fraud, that is to be punished severely by EU standards. But no, Italy disappoints yet again.

A few years ago a large national company was in the middle of a fraud trial in the Netherlands. The outcome was that the people found guilty were jailed and the top layer of the management (which was infested and rotting to the core) was dismantled: with the regional managements becoming the heads of new regional companies.

That's how corruption ought to be dealth with. Corruption keeps the poor poor and makes the rich just richer. But this is Italy... Moggi will never see the inside of a jail and his suit and tie buddies are probably congratulating him...

Italy's culture of corruption appears to be self-sustaining. It disgusts me to no end.
Not only in Italy. In Belgium the entire league was fixed, and I'm talking about "fixed" not "influenced" like in Italy, yet not a single team was punished. If Lierse actually fix games, which is far worse than asking for a certain referee, that should result in an automatic relegation in my eyes. And the KBVB (Belgian FA) only did something when it was all over while they had already had information about the entire scandal five months earlier.

However in Belgium it would never have happened that individuals got off so easily. I mean giving Moggi a five year ban from football just looks plain ridiculous. Sporting fraud may not be a proven fact, but keeping someone hostage for hours, blackmailing and threatening him must surely result in a heavier legal penalty, no?

As for Italy's culture.. people always laugh stereotypes away, but in Italy's case a lot of them seem to be true. I know someone who lived in Rome for a year and she simply said that whenever she had a problem with a cop she would either act sexy or give him some cash. I guess the main problem I have with Italian corruption is that it's so blatant. Berlusconi, as prime minister, ordering his own firm to construct more highways? Oh come on. And which dumb fuck puts an Inter tifoso at the head of possibly the biggest Italian football scandal ever? That's just begging for criticism.
 

Enron

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Oct 11, 2005
75,661
Fliakis said:
the sacrifice i guess. every pro athlete who wants to make it big has to give up loads of things at a very young age. and after he breaks through one has to think i'd be plain stupidity to use banned substances when such risks are involved. yet plenty of professionals do that and lose it all. why would it be any weirder if an american did something like that just because he faced lots of problems?
Its relative Fli. My being an American makes it weirder for me, as a cycling fan its very surprising and leaves me with a sour feeling in my stomach, especially since its a rider I have followed for a long time. Which is probably the same feeling Juve fans had when the match fixing mess began.
 

Enron

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Oct 11, 2005
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ßömßärdîër said:
yea, I think Lance was even caught earlier in his career with that stupidity.
Lance has never tested positive for doping, EPO or anything. I think you are thinking of testicular cancer, which isn't banned.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,329
The Pado said:
Seven, all sterotypes are somewhat based in truth. That is how they started.
Well yeah, but in Italy you get the feeling they actually try to act like the stereotype Italian. When I see some long black haired guy, who's wearing sunglasses and a rather tight shirt, getting 80 miles per hour with some Vespa at the Costiera Amalfitana I ask myself questions. Just how "Italian" can you get?
 

Rami

The Linuxologist
Dec 24, 2004
8,065
denco said:
If a team is disqualified for cheating and consequently relegated for this act of cheating, then how can they possibly have won the league the next season when they were not eligible to be in it. So the fact that we were stripped of 2005 title automatically disqualifies us from the 2006 season ergo we couldn't have been it to win it
Yes but when 3 teams out 4 should have been relegated and god knows how many others were corrupt or cheating, then that whole season (2005-2006) should be anulled.
 

swag

L'autista
Administrator
Sep 23, 2003
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Anything attempting to make normalcy out of a completely f*ed up situation by the trial lawyers is sheer lunacy. You can never roll back time and replay it all as if nothing ever happened. Suddenly a match-up between Chievo and Inter could ultimately decide the scudetto, and yet neither team would be aware of it for another couple of seasons... now how is that supposed to make any sense? Could we be a little more arbitrary?

Or when one team plays another team to draw and maintain a comfortable assumed lead, as Juve did with their draw against Milan at home last season. You change the environment/background, and even how the teams play each other is wholly different.

Anything less is an artificial construct left to the time travel theorists. It's ridiculous to even attempt to pretend you'd know the "what if" outcome, IMO.
 

3pac

Alex Del Mexico
May 7, 2004
7,206
swag said:
Anything attempting to make normalcy out of a completely f*ed up situation by the trial lawyers is sheer lunacy. You can never roll back time and replay it all as if nothing ever happened. Suddenly a match-up between Chievo and Inter could ultimately decide the scudetto, and yet neither team would be aware of it for another couple of seasons... now how is that supposed to make any sense? Could we be a little more arbitrary?

Or when one team plays another team to draw and maintain a comfortable assumed lead, as Juve did with their draw against Milan at home last season. You change the environment/background, and even how the teams play each other is wholly different.

Anything less is an artificial construct left to the time travel theorists. It's ridiculous to even attempt to pretend you'd know the "what if" outcome, IMO.
Exactly, I mean, WHAT IF Tupac was actually coming back?

Inter :disagree:
 

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