++ [ originally posted by Kaiser Franco ] ++
Somehow I am under the impression that EXPERIENCE is the key word here, and that those relating their adventures with Italian males are the ones lacking it most.
What kind of man have you encountered, River? Was it an Italian in Italy (have you only ever been to the Beautiful Peninsula, if only on vacation?)? An Italian in England? Or just an Englishman of Italian descent?
And if that one episode was enough for you to form a definite opinion on the entire male population of Italy, should I take for granted that all English females fall into the same category as those blondish geordie or scouce women all red in the face and wearing flashy overtight tops revealing their fat belly that one can admire on Italy's beaches and in its art cities every summer and who by the way seem so eager to get lucky with the first Italian mummy boy they run into?
My experience with Italian males? I dont have to go out with them all to make an opinion

. I know some Italian guys that are over here to study and ive been to Italy once. And actually I bump into Italian guys all the time over here.
And I didnt say it was a definate opinion. I hardly think every single italian male is like that that strong. But what I mean is Italians are different than every other nationality. And that difference dosent work with me. I can like most other guys, even French guys hehe, but with Italians it seems friendship is as far as it will ever go.
And since you took that so bad, heres some more. They are vain (love looking at themselves its annoying, they complement THEMSELVES (thats not right), they have absolutely no manners and wouldnt worry at all about grabbing your ass etc, then when you get down to their core they are alittle too soft, and the mummies boy thing is only that they love their mother to much, they talk about their mother to me, do I GIVE A DAMN about their mother? I have my own mother to give me enough crap, I dont like my own mother so i certainly dont want to know about yours.
And last but not least, with the Italian guy I was going out with once (lets call him Kaiser for now

). We got into an argument with some guy that I accidently bumped into and spilled his drink, he wanted me to get him another which I would have but then he called me something along the lines of a ****ing *****, so I said **** him and went to leave, I wanted to leave because the guy was pissed off and it would have avioded trouble. BUT Kaiser (who was from Italy studying here) preferred to protest about it to the other guy (the other guy was french not that that matters), in typical italian style (using both hands close to the guys face like they do in serie a to the refs

). I told the kaizer to leave it and lets go but since he was such a ego tripper he wouldnt, the frenchie had enough of his crap after awhile so he pushed him and Kaiser fell, Kaiser got up and started verbal attacking again. I french guy was really gonna kill Kaiser so I had to push Kaiser away which the French guy didnt like so he pushed me away. I left without Kaiser who the security took out.
Now do I need crap like that? If Kaiser wanted to do something he should have beat the guy up of left it alone. I dont want to have to 'protect' my boyfriend, should be the other way around. Italians always argue verbally, that dosent work in england.
Now like I said i dont think every Italian male on the planet is like that. But dont tell me the majority are not

And im not saying these characteristics are all bad etc they just dont work with me thats all.