That's the problem, very few good young talents are "cheap" today. Market mechanics are quite different now.
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No.. What I mean is that prior to the internet and technology explosion, Neymar probably wouldn't ahve cost 45 million because the information about him would have been scarcer than it is now. I'm talking about the price.
When your face and quality of play is plastered all over the world, of course the price is going to go up.
The more you see, the more you want. The more you want, the higher the cost.
When your face and quality of play is plastered all over the world, of course the price is going to go up.
The more you see, the more you want. The more you want, the higher the cost.
But this isn't the Old Juve school. These players were brought over from South America, we rarely did that unless we liked some Uruguayan or somebody named Gladstone.
I like this approach, bringing in good young guns, especially from other parts of the world. But will we take that route, especially the South American route? I doubt it, at least on a scale like Palermo or Udinese. Instead we'll try to buy players after they are already a big hit in Europe, meaning their price tags are enormous.
We should hire some of these scouts from Palermo, Benfica, et cetera. They seem to always find some good talent out there.
I like this approach, bringing in good young guns, especially from other parts of the world. But will we take that route, especially the South American route? I doubt it, at least on a scale like Palermo or Udinese. Instead we'll try to buy players after they are already a big hit in Europe, meaning their price tags are enormous.
We should hire some of these scouts from Palermo, Benfica, et cetera. They seem to always find some good talent out there.
2006-2007. That is all I'm going to say. that is when this should have started. However, the management at the time were foolishly impatient once they got promoted, and instead of re-building the squad the right way, with young talent, and being mid table for a couple of years in exchange for a decade of greatness, they fell under the weight of what juventus is all about. Win now, at any cost.
The teams overachieved those first two years back, but anyone could see that this was going to be a house of cards. There were no young franchise talents that were brought up, adn the ones that had a chance, or didn't have a chance, were shipped off in order to get more established players. Problem is, those established players weren't very good.
The teams overachieved those first two years back, but anyone could see that this was going to be a house of cards. There were no young franchise talents that were brought up, adn the ones that had a chance, or didn't have a chance, were shipped off in order to get more established players. Problem is, those established players weren't very good.
Dzeko, Pastore, Illicic, Menez, etc...all came out of no where...even where youtube, Fox, ESPN, etc all cover and they did not cost nearly as much to get when found than they do now.
We can still get the Platini's, DPs, Zidanes, etc we just aren't looking hard enough. Who knows, maybe this Piazon kid could turn out to be the next and signed for peanuts compared to a 40m Neymar and 30m Coentrao.
We can still get the Platini's, DPs, Zidanes, etc we just aren't looking hard enough. Who knows, maybe this Piazon kid could turn out to be the next and signed for peanuts compared to a 40m Neymar and 30m Coentrao.
I'm pretty shure you never saw this man play at bordeaux
he was the main reason they got so far in the championsleague, giving nearly every assist to chamack
Oh and he is also a regular in the frensh national team since
and you say we should get neymar who only proved his attitude ? for even more money ?
he was the main reason they got so far in the championsleague, giving nearly every assist to chamack
Oh and he is also a regular in the frensh national team since
and you say we should get neymar who only proved his attitude ? for even more money ?
But look at the teams that originally signed them. This here is the core of the problem. You very rarely see a top flight team invest in very young players, ones that you "hope" will turn into something special. They were all mid-table teams that signed these young guys. That is the "Mid Table Approach". And to be quite honest, if you want to build a fantastic base of talent, that is the way to go.
My mantra when juve came out of Serie B was "Act Mid Table, but think Top Flight". Meaning, they needed to realize that the team was on the cusp of falling apart due to the age of the returning players, and they should have dedicated more funds to signing the young talents, such as the way Napoli, Fiorentina, and Palermo do. It would have taken a few more years to get back to top flight status, but Christ, wouldn't it have been worth it?
My mantra when juve came out of Serie B was "Act Mid Table, but think Top Flight". Meaning, they needed to realize that the team was on the cusp of falling apart due to the age of the returning players, and they should have dedicated more funds to signing the young talents, such as the way Napoli, Fiorentina, and Palermo do. It would have taken a few more years to get back to top flight status, but Christ, wouldn't it have been worth it?
I'm pretty shure you never saw this man play at bordeaux
he was the main reason they got so far in the championsleague, giving nearly every assist to chamack
Oh and he is also a regular in the frensh national team since
and you say we should get neymar who only proved his attitude ? for even more money ?
he was the main reason they got so far in the championsleague, giving nearly every assist to chamack
Oh and he is also a regular in the frensh national team since
and you say we should get neymar who only proved his attitude ? for even more money ?
Of course, especially when he (Neymar) is heralded as the successor to Ronaldo and such. I don't think it's impossible to find special talents on the cheap, Palermo have got Ilicic and Pastore for reasonable sums and will almost certainly make a big profit from selling each. Not everyone has the same hype he has is what I'm saying, hopefully the club is doing the right thing in finding all these Italian youngsters (new Baggio and Chiellini etc) alongside Sørensen/Magnusson/Branescu.
We have to find them at the right age, because the majority of footballers are starting off their careers younger now. I remember 2 seasons ago when our old chief scout was hailing Hazard as something special, his price back then would have been 5-10m, and now it's over 20m. Palermo did well for Ilicic, Juventus SHOULD have got Hamsik. It's the fault of the club. I definitely agree with what has been said about improving the youth facilities and getting players through that into the first team. Part of the reason I was so in favour of purchasing James Rodríguez last year (and look who got him, Porto) and Lucas Piazon this year, both aren't at astronomical values currently.
We have to find them at the right age, because the majority of footballers are starting off their careers younger now. I remember 2 seasons ago when our old chief scout was hailing Hazard as something special, his price back then would have been 5-10m, and now it's over 20m. Palermo did well for Ilicic, Juventus SHOULD have got Hamsik. It's the fault of the club. I definitely agree with what has been said about improving the youth facilities and getting players through that into the first team. Part of the reason I was so in favour of purchasing James Rodríguez last year (and look who got him, Porto) and Lucas Piazon this year, both aren't at astronomical values currently.
Again I agree with both you and Andy. If we would have signed at least 1 young lad with massive potential for peanuts since we came back from B we could have 4-5 fantastic players already in this squad and those peanuts we spent on them the remainder of the transfer kitty could have brought in top proven talent.
I see no reason why, even now, we can't blend the 2 together. Look at Napoli, each year they are spending more and more but that's because they have scouts that know what to do and have players that sell out the stadium every game. We need to have a better business approach to building a good team.
I see no reason why, even now, we can't blend the 2 together. Look at Napoli, each year they are spending more and more but that's because they have scouts that know what to do and have players that sell out the stadium every game. We need to have a better business approach to building a good team.
If our chief scout rated Hazard so highly, then why didn't we buy him?
It's just freaking weird. Everyone saw Hamsik in B yet we didn't even make a move for him. Hazard is hailed by our chief scout and we didn't even make a move for him.
This reluctance to take a risk on young players needs to change.
No doubt. But the difference here is that Neymar is the best talent in world football, at least IMO.
It's just freaking weird. Everyone saw Hamsik in B yet we didn't even make a move for him. Hazard is hailed by our chief scout and we didn't even make a move for him.
This reluctance to take a risk on young players needs to change.
No doubt. But the difference here is that Neymar is the best talent in world football, at least IMO.
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I don't really know what the previous management was trying to achieve. Looking back, their 'project' was to spend without really thinking about the team. At least now it seems like the club wants to reduce the age and salary, and make the club more dependent on itself (stadium and youth system).
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