So you agree that all illegal immigrants are rapists and murderers and maybe some of them are not?
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The issue with Trump is that he's being a classic political opportunist in the same way George Wallace in Alabama lost elections when he didn't stand for segregation, switched, and became a populist candidate that had a lock on the governorship for decades.
Trump is a smart man. He's also heavy into the casino, hotel, and restaurant business. You know who staffs those businesses -- especially in a way they can turn a labor-costs-based profit? Immigrants. Trump knows this.
But when it comes to populist politics, the formula around the world is to appease a growingly (and rightfully) anxious working class, point to immigrants and apply threats about crime and jobs (since they can't vote anyway), and bring to a boil.
It's what's going on now in the Dominican Republic, Myanmar, Hungary (and much of Europe for that matter), etc. It's a tired but true formula.
THAT is what Trump knows.
Trump is a smart man. He's also heavy into the casino, hotel, and restaurant business. You know who staffs those businesses -- especially in a way they can turn a labor-costs-based profit? Immigrants. Trump knows this.
But when it comes to populist politics, the formula around the world is to appease a growingly (and rightfully) anxious working class, point to immigrants and apply threats about crime and jobs (since they can't vote anyway), and bring to a boil.
It's what's going on now in the Dominican Republic, Myanmar, Hungary (and much of Europe for that matter), etc. It's a tired but true formula.
THAT is what Trump knows.
Hence reform. Politics is at play now, sadly, and its unfortunate for us citizens. Its all about the vote. In fact, Hillary speaking WITH La Raza this week is literally spelling that out.
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But you can't accuse Trump of doing something everyone else is also doing or has done without giving due diligence to others, regardless of ideology, of doing the same thing.
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He isn't saying that. Nor am I. Don't be so obtuse. Hell, all morning long I've heard latinos calling into political radio agreeing with what Trump has said. Many have said its well known in the latino community of the issues and its been too long swept under the rug. All Trump is saying is exactly what the left and media refuse to acknowledge because its all about the vote and not upsetting their base. Exactly what Swag accused Trump of doing others are doing well on both sides.
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But you can't accuse Trump of doing something everyone else is also doing or has done without giving due diligence to others, regardless of ideology, of doing the same thing.
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He isn't saying that. Nor am I. Don't be so obtuse. Hell, all morning long I've heard latinos calling into political radio agreeing with what Trump has said. Many have said its well known in the latino community of the issues and its been too long swept under the rug. All Trump is saying is exactly what the left and media refuse to acknowledge because its all about the vote and not upsetting their base. Exactly what Swag accused Trump of doing others are doing well on both sides.
What I find interesting here is people are so quick to jump in to argue their is a problem in white America with guns but turn a deaf ear to whats happening in other demographic sections of society, further more, what the INCREASE the population by open borders. Its insane.
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Find me one US politician running that isn't an opportunist otherwise seal it.
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Actually, don't. You make my case much easier to show.
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the everyone does it excuse 
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Actually, don't. You make my case much easier to show.
No one's saying that guns is a problem of white America, it's a problem of America 
And Trump is faaaaaaar worse than anyone who's getting anything near the same amount of public exposure/support. Saying every politician is at least a little bit opportunistic and that's why Trump is allowed to be as opportunistic as he wants to be is like me eating 5 kg of sugar and justifying it by saying you put a little bit of it in your coffee.
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In any case, it's not Trump opportunism that's the problem, but his completely undefenable statements. You can't honestly stand behind that?
And Trump is faaaaaaar worse than anyone who's getting anything near the same amount of public exposure/support. Saying every politician is at least a little bit opportunistic and that's why Trump is allowed to be as opportunistic as he wants to be is like me eating 5 kg of sugar and justifying it by saying you put a little bit of it in your coffee.
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In any case, it's not Trump opportunism that's the problem, but his completely undefenable statements. You can't honestly stand behind that?
Find me one US politician running that isn't an opportunist otherwise seal it.
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Actually, don't. You make my case much easier to show.
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Actually, don't. You make my case much easier to show.
yet you are okay with it it seems.
politicans who just tell the people what they wanna hear...and people being
stupid enough to believe it
we have one in charge here in bavaria @lgorTudor
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No one's saying that guns is a problem of white America, it's a problem of America
And Trump is faaaaaaar worse than anyone who's getting anything near the same amount of public exposure/support. Saying every politician is at least a little bit opportunistic and that's why Trump is allowed to be as opportunistic as he wants to be is like me eating 5 kg of sugar and justifying it by saying you put a little bit of it in your coffee.
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In any case, it's not Trump opportunism that's the problem, but his completely undefenable statements. You can't honestly stand behind that?
And Trump is faaaaaaar worse than anyone who's getting anything near the same amount of public exposure/support. Saying every politician is at least a little bit opportunistic and that's why Trump is allowed to be as opportunistic as he wants to be is like me eating 5 kg of sugar and justifying it by saying you put a little bit of it in your coffee.
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In any case, it's not Trump opportunism that's the problem, but his completely undefenable statements. You can't honestly stand behind that?
is it not sad that i can’t name one?
yet you are okay with it it seems.
politicans who just tell the people what they wanna hear...and people being
stupid enough to believe it
we have one in charge here in bavaria @lgorTudor
yet you are okay with it it seems.
politicans who just tell the people what they wanna hear...and people being
stupid enough to believe it
we have one in charge here in bavaria @lgorTudor
No one's saying that guns is a problem of white America, it's a problem of America
And Trump is faaaaaaar worse than anyone who's getting anything near the same amount of public exposure/support. Saying every politician is at least a little bit opportunistic and that's why Trump is allowed to be as opportunistic as he wants to be is like me eating 5 kg of sugar and justifying it by saying you put a little bit of it in your coffee.
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In any case, it's not Trump opportunism that's the problem, but his completely undefenable statements. You can't honestly stand behind that?
And Trump is faaaaaaar worse than anyone who's getting anything near the same amount of public exposure/support. Saying every politician is at least a little bit opportunistic and that's why Trump is allowed to be as opportunistic as he wants to be is like me eating 5 kg of sugar and justifying it by saying you put a little bit of it in your coffee.
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In any case, it's not Trump opportunism that's the problem, but his completely undefenable statements. You can't honestly stand behind that?
is it not sad that i can’t name one?
yet you are okay with it it seems.
politicans who just tell the people what they wanna hear...and people being
stupid enough to believe it
we have one in charge here in bavaria @lgorTudor
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thank you.
yet you are okay with it it seems.
politicans who just tell the people what they wanna hear...and people being
stupid enough to believe it
we have one in charge here in bavaria @lgorTudor
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thank you.
He's got virtually no chance of gaining the nomination. He knows this, as do 2/3s of the 72 Republicans running. What Trump can do is ramp up the base by making "strong remarks" on hot button topics. Whether it be immigration, eliminating the judicial systems, or whatever other crazy ideas these guys come up with by the end of this thing. Then, after they've lost, they'll write a book, use their newly found fame and make a few million dollars. Mike Huckabee does this every election cycle. It's sad, but the Republican base loves this shit.
For Trump, it's a way for him to feel relevant and stroke his ego a bit. Same as when he ran last time on the birther platform.
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Please Cam. Don't paint Trump as some sort of victim of the media. You don't do what he did unless you want the attention. You're smarter than that. Trump knows what he's doing as do all the rest of the bottom feeder candidates who say dumb shit.
For Trump, it's a way for him to feel relevant and stroke his ego a bit. Same as when he ran last time on the birther platform.
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Please Cam. Don't paint Trump as some sort of victim of the media. You don't do what he did unless you want the attention. You're smarter than that. Trump knows what he's doing as do all the rest of the bottom feeder candidates who say dumb shit.
Here is what Trump said:
I assume you are pissed about the last two sentences? Because, in fact, the people that are coming here on those trains and over the border are indeed gang members, drug dealers and rapists. Are they all that? Of course not, but the fact that our government is letting such criminals across the border is the problem he says he wants to fix. Trump has made billions doing business domestically and internationally it would be ridiculous to actually think all immigrants are rapists and drug dealers. You are simply buying into the media spin on his comments alluding to the idea he thinks all Mexicans are that. It obviously isn't but there is a serious amount of criminal coming over the border. As Swag rightly point out this has happened all throughout US history because not everyone is a criminal but ultimately some are. And when our own Federal government has a "catch and release" program where criminals are actually released back into OUR society THAT is the problem I have a serious issue with.
Our jails are overflowing with criminals so they are releasing the illegals with lower level convictions because they have no where to put them. Instead of shipping them back to their homelands with a one way ticket they get release back into society with a massive percentage of them actually committing the SAME violent crimes again.
I don't have a problem with immigration I'm not naive enough to think it doesn't help us but we shouldn't have this open door policy or turn a deaf ear to it. There are plenty of aspects to immigration that need to be fixed and still allow it. That's all Trump is saying.
I assume you are pissed about the last two sentences? Because, in fact, the people that are coming here on those trains and over the border are indeed gang members, drug dealers and rapists. Are they all that? Of course not, but the fact that our government is letting such criminals across the border is the problem he says he wants to fix. Trump has made billions doing business domestically and internationally it would be ridiculous to actually think all immigrants are rapists and drug dealers. You are simply buying into the media spin on his comments alluding to the idea he thinks all Mexicans are that. It obviously isn't but there is a serious amount of criminal coming over the border. As Swag rightly point out this has happened all throughout US history because not everyone is a criminal but ultimately some are. And when our own Federal government has a "catch and release" program where criminals are actually released back into OUR society THAT is the problem I have a serious issue with.
Our jails are overflowing with criminals so they are releasing the illegals with lower level convictions because they have no where to put them. Instead of shipping them back to their homelands with a one way ticket they get release back into society with a massive percentage of them actually committing the SAME violent crimes again.
I don't have a problem with immigration I'm not naive enough to think it doesn't help us but we shouldn't have this open door policy or turn a deaf ear to it. There are plenty of aspects to immigration that need to be fixed and still allow it. That's all Trump is saying.
And if you can't rightly conclude the media spin in this country then any debate with you on American politics is probably not going to amount to anything other than a pointless argument.
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But again, how is that any different than any other politician? If Polls are to believed there are a lot of people that think immigration is a serious issue and as a result he is riding a waive of increase support at least temporarily because of the storm he created.
If he wanted to draw national attention to an issue our media shys away from then his mission was indeed accomplished.
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But again, how is that any different than any other politician? If Polls are to believed there are a lot of people that think immigration is a serious issue and as a result he is riding a waive of increase support at least temporarily because of the storm he created.
If he wanted to draw national attention to an issue our media shys away from then his mission was indeed accomplished.