News that makes you say WTF! (39 Viewers)

Hust

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
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My repub mind initially said what the fuck with the whole exchange thing as I am wondering that if Cuba starts making more money, such as from US tourism/commerce that will only empower them more, but at this point the only threat they seem to pose is to their own people.

I'd personally actually like to go once. I figure it would probably be like Mexico a couple decades ago (and still now) where our dollar goes a llllooooootttttt farther than it would in say Europe/Asia.

Love the music. Can't complain about the weather. Love the location/culture. Why the hell not?

I wonder, if at all, when it would be considered safe for normal folks to travel there?

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Should have happened a long time ago. Cuba will look like a totally different place in 10-15 year, at least politically. IMO.
How do you know it will look different politically? That's the question that needs an answer because will Cuba making more money actually go to the people or will the dollars just flow straight into the government/military?

Russia isn't going to be happy that's for sure. Can we honestly say it will be better for everyone? I'm not sold yet.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/21/world/americas/castro-thanks-us-but-affirms-cubas-communist-rule.html?_r=0


So, they stay communists. Don't see this ending well for them.

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Found this as well:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/20/world/europe/russian-emissary-to-meet-with-cuba-leaders.html

It's going to be damn interesting politically how the relationships will develop. As I said, Russia isn't going to like this. Cuba was their backdoor entrance into our areas to be a thumb in our side whenever they wanted. They are already sending people to Cuba :D
 
Jul 10, 2006
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How do you know it will look different politically? That's the question that needs an answer because will Cuba making more money actually go to the people or will the dollars just flow straight into the government/military?
I doubt the US makes this move without some evidence that there may be a shift in attitude in the Cuban government. Don't know for sure what will happen, of course, but I see their people, especially the young, wanting more and more freedom in choosing their leaders.

I notice part of the deal included the Cuban government being forced to ease internet restrictions and release dozens of political prisoners.

Congress needs to lift the embargo. It's a relic of an ugly past. I don't think we'll have the problems with Cuba that we had in the Cold War. Their government is a relic as well and will eventually evolve into something more than a communist dictatorship (family dynasty).

Russia isn't going to be happy that's for sure. Can we honestly say it will be better for everyone? I'm not sold yet.
Russia has it's own problems. They have no say in whether we normalize relations with a country right on our doorstep. And the Cubans know they can make a lot of money with that embargo lifted. Much more than they can make off of Russia.

Normal relations are a win win for everyone. There is just no way that government will survive. It will just take one "Cuban Spring."
 

Ocelot

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Jul 13, 2013
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs.../19/wait-cuba-has-its-own-internet/?tid=sm_fb

Read this article about the Cuban "internet." It's ridiculous. This has to end.
No question about that.


The interesting thing however is that the massive progress Cuba has undergone the past few decades regarding poverty, education (especially literacy), or health is ignored pretty much entirely by western media. In these issues, the success of Cuba is unparalleled in any other Latinamerican country. I am not defending their authoritarian approach in any way, but the fact is that the picture that is painted of Cuba (similarly to China in that matter) is extremely unbalanced and unobjective.

Just a few figures, their literacy rate is 99%, life expectancy 79 years, their infant mortality rate is on par with the one of the EU (4,7). Concerning their economic situation, they had a devastating recession 1990-1993 due to Soviet aid suddenly ceasing to exist along with its donor, but since then they've enjoyed a steady increase in their GDP, and were left relatively unscathed by the 2008 financial crisis, compared to other latinamerican countries or even Europe or the US. The Human Poverty Index of the UN has unfortunately ceased to exist in 2006 (why I don't know), but until then, Cuba fared extremely well there too.
 

GordoDeCentral

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Apr 14, 2005
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No question about that.


The interesting thing however is that the massive progress Cuba has undergone the past few decades regarding poverty, education (especially literacy), or health is ignored pretty much entirely by western media. In these issues, the success of Cuba is unparalleled in any other Latinamerican country. I am not defending their authoritarian approach in any way, but the fact is that the picture that is painted of Cuba (similarly to China in that matter) is extremely unbalanced and unobjective.

Just a few figures, their literacy rate is 99%, life expectancy 79 years, their infant mortality rate is on par with the one of the EU (4,7). Concerning their economic situation, they had a devastating recession 1990-1993 due to Soviet aid suddenly ceasing to exist along with its donor, but since then they've enjoyed a steady increase in their GDP, and were left relatively unscathed by the 2008 financial crisis, compared to other latinamerican countries or even Europe or the US. The Human Poverty Index of the UN has unfortunately ceased to exist in 2006 (why I don't know), but until then, Cuba fared extremely well there too.
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