New Owner - And now all about religion, just as originally planned (20 Viewers)

[icemaη]

Its $20, so about 15Euros

 

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[Seven]

Its $20, so about 15Euros

Yeah, I keep mixing them up. But that's hardly the point.

 

[JCK]

There won't be any new subscribers. No one will pay 20 euros to register. There are many free football forums on the internet, so why do it anyway? Of the old members a lot, including myself, will leave. I'm guessing that maybe 200 people will pay. That leaves you with 4000 euros. Perhaps Byrone thought 1000 members would pay (and IMO you need 1000 members to have a decent forum), but I very much doubt that. So it's going to be a very closed off forum, which is funny, because a forum is meant to be open to the public.

Are you sure there are 200 people willing to pay this fee? My guess is around 50 Hactually.

 

[Seven]

Are you sure there are 200 people willing to pay this fee? My guess is around 50 Hactually.

So it really is a joke then? And it's not a very funny one.

 

[Byrone]

Well, he's doing this for us, isn't he? This is some sort of favour. So in order for it to be a favour, a couple of things have to be true:

1) It costs 20k a year to maintain this forum.
2) Apart from those 20k, Byrone is putting even more money into it.
3) We get some sort of benefit. No favour without a gain.

Are those three things really true?

No its not but defaulting on payments leads to high interest on missed payments.In the event that payment is not made after a certain time frame,legal proceedings are taking against the defaulter.

Ive signed a document of non disclosure with Marty & thats why i cant divulge information freely.

I have to agree with Andries here that paying to post on an internet forum is silly. No offense to anyone, but after the deadline I'm probably going to do what I was told to do a long time ago.

It would be sad but atleast i have you on fb.

TBH, there are thousands of forums on the internet, bigger, smaller, equal to this one, and none of them require any kind of payment to post. If they can make it, surely Juventuz could too.

If you understood the scenario then you wouldnt make this statement.Anyway didnt you say that you would never come back to this forum?

Lol @ paying. It's a terrible idea. You will lose the majority of your members. All your doing is creating competition, since another Juve forum will undoubtedly pop up and ppl will go there since it's free. In turn, whatever revenue u were receiving from hosting ads will go down as well because of less members. Your shooting yourself in the foot here.

If juventuz.com is such an expense that it requires a $20 yearly fee from each member, y did u purchase the forum to begin with?

Because i wanted to save the forum,i have formed great friendships with some members.

Why not try to get some sponsors?I mean i dont mind having ad banners on the site,doing an ad poll or whatever rather than to pay 20 bucks..im not a cheapo,especially if its for Juve my beloved,its just that im also a member of an indonesian juventini website,and i dont pay anything,as well as other free forums who have a lot of users..i mean,you should try to ask those who run a free english forum with lots of members how they can make it for free?
but if you did spend some cash from your own pocket Byrone,then i thank this remaining 24 days im able to post in Juventuz..

If you read the announcement carefully you will note that it mentions that negotiations are underwy with new advertisers.

A question,can we still view the forum if we dont pay?

You'll still be able to browse for free.Links & pictures wont be visible though.

Ask for it one more time and you'll have it. Just one more time.


Btw, I'm bit too tired to understand what exactly is going on here, but If Byrone or any other owner needs cash to keep this place up I'm welling to help financially and want nothing back in return.

First things first: thankyou Byrone.


In principle, I don't like the idea of paying to post.

In practice, I'll pay, providing enough of the good guys are going to hang around.


$20 is nothing, considering the number of hours of entertainment this place provides.

Thank goodness you get it.

Byrone, you're my friend and I have a ton of respect for you, but I don't think this is gonna work

Thanks Vin im trying.

I thank Byrone for saving this forum, I was unaware that it needed saving, but great that he did it.

I was surprised to read 20 bucks a year. I mean, I don't weight much here, although I've joined quite a while ago, I haven't posted much. But I still think it's a terrible idea.

And the manner in which this "fee" was announced just leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

I always felt this was our forum, you know a public forum that felt like a Juventus global home. And to all of a sudden demand a fee just seems like, well, foreign.

I mean if a donation was asked or discussed first, perhaps I would understand and donate. But demanding $20/year for a forum? Which many people already feel ownership to, doesn't sound right, IMO.

Especially since there is no mention on how much is needed, which I think should be mentioned considering you say it's only for maintenance (to keep it up).

Look this thread was opened up for discussing this issue.If i wanted to be a dictator there would be no thread for discussion at all.

it's one payment of 20 bucks, not per year...personally, I don't think it is that much to ask...a lot of us here are around for a considerable amount of time, and it's not that stiff a sum...I've tried other footy forums and they are not nearly as interesting or as fun as Juventuz.

True. I've been here almost a year and I'm not gonna stop posting here because I've to pay a fee. It is reasonable for a lot of us who happens to live on the forumD) But what it will do is, that it will stop new members from joining in. Not many would actually know how fun Juventuz is until they try it.

B, thanks for saving the forums man. Its much appreciated.
Have you thought about other ways to generate revenue? Sponsors for example...

Yup im currently negotiating with new advertisers,who knows if we come to a mutually beneficial agreement then this whole annual fee could be waived.

When I saw this I thought it was some kind of joke, not that it's a stupid but I just couldn't believe something like this can happen. I had no idea it was that serious.
Thanks for doing this Byrone.

I think 20$ is not much because you pay it once a year. You can't say is much because it's less then 2$ per month. Still, I don't think you'll see me here. It's not like I have many options, I'd have to bug my dad...it's...well, complicated.

Ill pay for you,Dusan.

Ever bought a magazine? You're wasting many hours of your life on this place and 20 dollars is nothing in comparison. No need to be condescending.

In principle it is wrong however and I don't think I'm going to pay. I have some form of contact with my favourite members outside of this forum and if I'm looking for open discussion, I'll go to Xtratime.

Shame that the biggest English speaking Juventus community is going to be closed to the public.

Your presence will be missed.

I'm paying the 20 dollars and i'm also adding more as a personal donation. You guys aren't aware of the problem. It really comes down to this - the forum stops existing vs 20 dollars paid by each members.

Spot on.

either some of the members who are supposed to be too intelligent are participating in this joke or they are not too intelligent.

Everything is a conspiracy in your eyes.

Guys, since Byrone has clearly left no room for discussion whatsoever and has simply demanded an annual fee of 20 dollars because of his generous self, I suggest we use this thread to sum up other possible forums. Any good ideas?

Honestly Andries,youre moaning about $20.How on earth are you gonna start a new forum?You have zero social networking skills & you'll probably have the majority of your followers jump ship within two days.

If anything, restrict non-paying forumers to 5-10 posts per day.

Paying, premium members can have lots of extra features like signatures, avatars, v-bookie, user titles and limitless posting.

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That is, if you have your mind set completely on bringing in money from this place.

Ill take it into consideration.

For starters, i believe it is a joke! IT would have been most credible, if the supposed owner wasnt a master mind pro teaser/joker, like Byrone!

In the highly unlikely case this... situation... is real!
Here are my views about it:

-20$/year is far too much for such a big forum, the fee should either be smaller or have a much bigger grace time. Seriously, does this forum really needs 20k/year, just to survive?? I really dont buy that, but i will believe that if i see some proof of it!

-It is totally unrealistic to expect form each and every member to pay that, or even any kind of sum.
We should better aim for a certain amount and make a collective effort to gather it!
I think this is a much more balanced idea and practically more efficient.
(as we need to reach the minimum fee anyway and dont have to worry about that, when we reach that, so we wont have to part with the members they cant afford it)
Some members may have the financial capability to donate more and make up for the others, who may lack that capability!
For ex, i m willing to pay the asked fee for this site, but this site wont be the same without members like bianconero81, weedguru, vonam etc etc
Without these members the forum doesnt have the same importance/value for me.
No one guarantees me that these members will stay and although i am willing to pay an annual fee in case they stay, i am not paying/risking it just for the unpropable eventuality, that they will/might stay!

-Juventuz will not be a public forum anymore, but a meeting place for a select group of posters. Its character will be lost. That would mean, that there will be nearly zero new posters and the forum is destined to die out slowly eventually.
I dont believe that there will be people willing to risk 20$ just to try out a football forum and see if they fit in. We have to give them a special motive and guarantee to join in. Even the original juventus.com site/forum faces the same difficulties, despite the fact, that it is the official forum and compensates the subscribers with member cards, autographs, etc

-Lets say i am paying that fee, who guarantees that enough people will pay too, to make that worth smth??
And what happens if we fail to gather the minimum required fee to save the forum.
Are we getting a refund??

-What if we gather enough money to sustain the forum for two-three yeas?
Why do all the new members will have to pay the same annual fee then?

-Dont we have more chances to get some better sponsorship deals now?
Wouldnt that be a more acceptable sacrifice?
Juventuz is a big forum and companies who might want advertising ads, will be interested/attracted by those numbers more than ever.
The annual fee will decimate our numbers, our greatest strength and our market value. We will not be an attractive advertisement carrier anymore...

If i strike a deal before the deadline then there wont be any fee.If you do end up paying & months down the line i come to an agreement with the advertisers than the money will defintely be refunded.

So it really is a joke then? And it's not a very funny one.

Not at all.

 

[Seven]

Honestly Andries,youre moaning about $20.How on earth are you gonna start a new forum?You have zero social networking skills & you'll probably have the majority of your followers jump ship within two days.

I'm not starting a new forum. I'm simply joining another.

 

[Byrone]

I'm not starting a new forum. I'm simply joining another.

Well then it will be sad that you leave, but you do what you have to do.

 

[JCK]

So tell me, Byrone, how many members are you expecting to subscribe?

 

[Ramin]

Ever bought a magazine? You're wasting many hours of your life on this place and 20 dollars is nothing in comparison. No need to be condescending.

As a matter of fact, I have never bought a magazine in my life time!

And no, I don't waste hours in this place. I used to be a bit more active few years ago, I rarely log these days just to see whats the latest buzz. I'm not paying, and I won't lose any sleep over it.

 

[JBF]

As a matter of fact, I have never bought a magazine in my life time!

And no, I don't waste hours in this place. I used to be a bit more active few years ago, I rarely log these days just to see whats the latest buzz. I'm not paying, and I won't lose any sleep over it.

 

[SABSAB]

If it is only one payment of 20 bucks to save this I don't see a problem.

You guys pay I don't know how much to get drunk at weekend and have some fun.
Why can't you do the same for fun and friends you can have all the time.
I think it's worth it.

 

[Snoop]

So am I. All we need is a new forum it seems. It must be possible.

what happened to our forum? remember?

 

[icemaη]

 

[Snoop]

btw, Marty is a fuckface, he doesn't ever care about this forum, if he did care, he would have asked (like Martin did) the new owner's plans before selling this.

 

[Alessandro]

Can't find announce "up top on the main page"...
Where it is?..

 

[Seven]

btw, Marty is a fuckface, he doesn't ever care about this forum, if he did care, he would have asked (like Martin did) the new owner's plans before selling this.

No, Marty was very generous. According to Byrone he spent 80 000 dollars on this forum, so a huge THANK YOU goes out to Marty.

 

[Salvo]

so were ment to pay? hmm i dont know if i can do that, im 15 and i dont work, mum wont give me money to pay for an internet forum, it will be with a heavy heart that i would leave the forum.

20 dollars american? hmm i dont know

 

[JBF]

No, Marty was very generous. According to Byrone he spent 80 000 dollars on this forum, so a huge THANK YOU goes out to Marty.

Yea thats right..but still he shouldnt have sold it to this fuck up called Byrone.

 

[Seven]

There are so many things that don't add up. I don't trust Byrone at all.

 

[Salvo]

im just thinking the posters will leave no one will join a forum that people have to pay for and the forum will just die out, you cant ask people to pay for a football forum when there are so many free football forums out there.

ideally it would be great but im just saying my mum wont give me money for a football forum, im already struggling to tell get her to keep rai international lol.

how much does a forum take to run, out of curiosity? does this happen to a lot of forums.