New left back (8 Viewers)

Ian · Mar 17, 2003

Brighi's not a playmaker, but the point is that our prioritries are like this:

tied for first: Left back and central back
2. depth in defense
3. left wing
4. playmaker

As for Kovalenko, I am pretty sure that he plays the slot, just like Zidane or Nedved.

Stu · Mar 17, 2003

Imo you are underrating Pessotto. As you already admitted, he defends well, and I think he offers more attacking threat than you give him credit for. He provides width on the field and his passing and crossing is by no means poor.

Our central defenders however, are way too slow and even with two very good fullbacks, any bit of pace will cause problems.

Stu · Mar 17, 2003

Why do we need this Kovalenko if we are already heavily linked with Mutu and Miccoli? I just don't see the sense in getting him.

Majed · Mar 18, 2003

Mutu and Miccoli are second strickers and they dont play in the slot behind the players.

As for my priorities:
1. two Central defenders
2. one left wing.
3. depth in midfield (a holding midfilder)
4. a playmaker.
5. a stricker instead of Salas.

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I think D'Ale can satisfy (2) and (4).
Miccoli can satisfy (5)
Blasi and Maresca can satisfy (3)
two of: Bonera, Mexes, and Zaccardo can satisfy (1)

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to fund these:
Blasi and Miccoli are already owned by juve.
Maresca's contract is half owned by juve.
Salas could be traded + a bit of cash for D'Ale.

That leaves two defenders. who can be bought with the money juve must already have saved up for summer spendings. Add to that what juve might receive from selling Montero, Fresi and Birindelli.

Maybe Conte and Ferrara would retire too.

This is not spending too much, but it will cover all juve's weakspots. The only problem would be their wages.

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i dont see leftback as a worth mentioning problem as Pessotto can do fine. even Zambrotta is settling there. So a better left winger would be best.

Ian · Mar 18, 2003

That won't help the money problems much, they do not make a lot.

Majed · Mar 18, 2003

do you know how much every juve player makes? (a source other than CM )

Ian · Mar 18, 2003

++ [ originally posted by Majed ] ++
do you know how much every juve player makes? (a source other than CM )

No.

Adrian · Mar 18, 2003

i think we need a new left back.

pessotto is old now and we cant rely on him for the future, even if he is good enough for another season.

when you have players like Armand in the market this transfer season, we would be stupid not to get him.

Majed · Mar 18, 2003

Zambrotta is fitting in well, he should get much better. Pessotto can be his replacement. for the future, juve should call back Moretti because he's been very impressive.

juve needs to focus on the central defense more than the sides.
it's aging and we have NO replacements.

paulo · Mar 18, 2003

Totally agree. The central defence is our biggest problem which we have to do something about. Ferrara and Montero are getting old and won't be able to deliver at the highest level for much longer. The only decent replacement, Iuliano(Tudor isn't better), is good enough for the bench, but in the starting lineup we need someone better. I say we buy Bonera.

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s0ftcore · Mar 18, 2003

Iuliano is good enough for the bench? What a thing to say!

Ian · Mar 18, 2003

tudor is a bench player now? I find that laughable.

Martin · Mar 18, 2003

Not good enough? Since when? The last time Tudor actually played in defence was under Ancelotti, coping at the time admirably well. He has been out due to injury for a long time but it doesn't change the fact that he was once known to be among the best defensive prospects in Europe. And what is Bonera? Just that, he's a prospect, he's not established, he doesn't have the experience and he makes, on occasion, the kind of rookie mistakes you would expect from a young player. In contrast, Tudor has spent several years maturing since his arrival from Hajduk Split and he is to be considered a more mature player at this point, unlike Bonera. There is no conceivable reason for me to pin any greater hope on Bonera than I would on Tudor.

So he hasn't played for a while, esp in defence, does that mean he has lost his ability? Give him Iuliano's place, start in some games, sub in others, give him some time on the pitch to build up his confidence. All post-injury players need that period of grace. Then we shall see.

So buy Bonera? That isn't necessarily a bad idea but not to replace Tudor surely.

Majed · Mar 18, 2003

++ [ originally posted by Alex ] ++

So he hasn't played for a while, esp in defence, does that mean he has lost his ability? Give him Iuliano's place, start in some games, sub in others, give him some time on the pitch to build up his confidence. All post-injury players need that period of grace. Then we shall see.

So buy Bonera? That isn't necessarily a bad idea but not to replace Tudor surely.

not while Lippi is coach :rolleyes:

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paulo · Mar 18, 2003

I ment that he is good enough as a sub for Montero and Ferrara if one of them couldn't play. Don't take me wrong, I think Iuliano is a great defender, it's just that I don't think he's good enough for the starting lineup IMHO(slow, makes stupid mistakes etc.)

Well isn't he? Since Lippi arrived he has never been a regular. Ok, he had a couple of injuries but when he was fit Lippi still placed him on the bench. I guess that makes him a bench player.

++ [ originally posted by Alex ] ++
Not good enough? Since when?[/QUOTE]

Ok, he's good enough but I think we should have someone better. In CL, for instance, the defence must be solid and secure and that not always occurs when Iuliano is playing. Besides, he's not very fast nor any young.

++ [ originally posted by Alex ] ++
The last time Tudor actually played in defence was under Ancelotti, coping at the time admirably well.[/QUOTE]

Well you're right, i'll consider him as a midfielder from now on.

++ [ originally posted by Alex ] ++
He has been out due to injury for a long time but it doesn't change the fact that he was once known to be among the best defensive prospects in Europe.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but that's not what I meant. I was talking about how good he is now, not in general. I know he was doing some real impressive stuff and was regarded one the greatest talents in Europe, but that's not the player he is today. It will take some time before he will find his great form back, he will have to play in many matches, but now that we are knocked out of Coppa his chance is almost gone.

++ [ originally posted by Alex ] ++
And what is Bonera? Just that, he's a prospect, he's not established, he doesn't have the experience and he makes, on occasion, the kind of rookie mistakes you would expect from a young player. In contrast, Tudor has spent several years maturing since his arrival from Hajduk Split and he is to be considered a more mature player at this point, unlike Bonera. There is no conceivable reason for me to pin any greater hope on Bonera than I would on Tudor.

So he hasn't played for a while, esp in defence, does that mean he has lost his ability? Give him Iuliano's place, start in some games, sub in others, give him some time on the pitch to build up his confidence. All post-injury players need that period of grace. Then we shall see.

So buy Bonera? That isn't necessarily a bad idea but not to replace Tudor surely.

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May I remind you that Bonera is also considered as a great prospect, currently only in Italy but soon also in Europe. Tudor also makes stupid mistakes btw(against Man U for instance). Perhaps you're right about Tudor being more experienced, but that's hardly a big difference. Besides, Tudor has sitten on the bench for two seasons now while Bonera is getting some first team football with Parma. He will soon gain as much experience as Tudor.

About giving him that chance, I doubt Lippi will do that. Why, I don't know.

Btw I never said we should replace him instead of Tudor.

Martin · Mar 18, 2003

Tudor makes stupid mistakes? Name one except the one vs ManU.

#10 · Mar 19, 2003

BTW Kovalenko is one of our primavera...pretty gud as well

Adrian · Mar 19, 2003

tudor was teh best defender in italy the season lotti played ta centre back. he is a defender, and a great one at that. one mistake against manchester, when he was playing as DM doesnt mean he is hopeless. ciro was bleeding off the ground and tudor just stepped in there for a minute or so.

Majed · Mar 19, 2003

forza tudor....i think 2 years ago, him, cannavaro, nesta and samuel were the best defenders in the world.

paulo · Mar 19, 2003

I don't remeber any other at the moment

, but I'm quite shure he made some stupid mistakes before, maybe not by himself, but as a part of the defence :stuckup:

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