New Juve scandal: Moggi talking to referees (20 Viewers)

AlexTheGreat

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May 10, 2006
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goggo said:
Officers from Italy's inland revenue have asked professional clubs and amateur sides from Serie A, B and C to check their account for anomalies.

In all 16 Serie A clubs have been asked to cooperate including: Empoli, Livorno, Palermo, Fiorentina, Ascoli, Cagliari, Sampdoria, Messina, Inter, Milan, Parma, Roma, Lazio, Siena, Reggina and Chievo, along with 17 Serie B sides and 12 Serie C clubs.

Judges involved in the case are focusing on specific transfers involving Juve between 2000 and 2005.

Deals including Zinedine Zidane's world record deal to Real Madrid are being investigated, including Enzo Maresca, Fabrizio Miccoli, Giorgio Chiellini, Edwin van der Sar, Fabian Carini and Andrea Gasbarroni's transfers.[/B]

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I don't know about others but I'm pissed with this news!!! This means that everyone turned back on us, and even judges are trying everything to found us guilty!!! I think prosecutors should just try to investigate our case, and not to ask other italian clubs (actually whole Italian league) to help them...
this must be a big projet to those prosecutors, i really doubt whether they can finish this work before the UEFA's deadline.:disagree:
On the other hand, this information shows that these guys are working really hard to find some 'hard' & legal evidence of which they are lacking to prove juve is guilty,IMO.:D
 

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ZAF3000

Senior Member
Feb 14, 2005
5,348
Tifoso Lou said:
Additionally, they basically caught the Juve team physician red handed in the doping scandal, and only he faced consequences, because (I am paraphrasing) it could not be proven that he was directed by anyone to do so.
Wasn't he acquited after the appeal?
 

isha00

Senior Member
Jun 24, 2003
5,114
goggo said:
Italian champions Juventus have appointed Alessio Secco to work alongside coach Fabio Capello.

The Old Lady have been short of backroom staff since the entire board resigned earlier this month over match-fixing allegations.

Secco, who is Juve's new head of sporting activities, has previously worked with the club as their press officer.

Meanwhile, the enquiry into the match-fixing allegations against former Juventus officials Luciano Moggi and Antonio Giraudo has been extended.

Officers from Italy's inland revenue have asked professional clubs and amateur sides from Serie A, B and C to check their account for anomalies.

In all 16 Serie A clubs have been asked to cooperate including: Empoli, Livorno, Palermo, Fiorentina, Ascoli, Cagliari, Sampdoria, Messina, Inter, Milan, Parma, Roma, Lazio, Siena, Reggina and Chievo, along with 17 Serie B sides and 12 Serie C clubs.

Judges involved in the case are focusing on specific transfers involving Juve between 2000 and 2005.

Deals including Zinedine Zidane's world record deal to Real Madrid are being investigated, including Enzo Maresca, Fabrizio Miccoli, Giorgio Chiellini, Edwin van der Sar, Fabian Carini and Andrea Gasbarroni's transfers.


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I don't know about others but I'm pissed with this news!!! This means that everyone turned back on us, and even judges are trying everything to found us guilty!!! I think prosecutors should just try to investigate our case, and not to ask other italian clubs (actually whole Italian league) to help them...
As far as I know, they're being investigated too. :confused:


I have something else:
Lippi: "Pubblicato il mio cellulare"

"Negli ultimi giorni ho ricevuto quattro o cinque telefonate di persone che non conoscevo. Per fortuna, tutti gentilissimi. Quando ho chiesto come avessero avuto il numero del mio cellulare, mi hanno detto che era a pagina 104 o 106 del libro pubblicato dall'Espresso sulle intercettazioni nel calcio pubblicato l'altro giorno. E' una cosa indegna, è una cosa vergognosa. Vi rendete conto? Certo, nel giro di un giorno cambio numero, mi chiedo se sono passibili di querela" dice il ct della Nazionale Marcello Lippi.
Lippi says that in the last few days he received some calls from people he didn't know. Fortunately they were all very nice. Marcello asked them were they found the nummer, they answered that it was on page 104 or 106 of "L'Espresso". They have printed on a magazine (L'Espresso) his cell phone number!!! Marcello is wondering if he can sue them.
 

Azzurri7

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Dec 16, 2003
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Cannavaro proud to be a Juventino
Wednesday 24 May, 2006
Fabio Cannavaro has committed his future to Juventus by insisting it’s wrong to solely blame former director general Luciano Moggi for Italian football’s problems.

Juve have been dragged into the centre of the 'Calciopoli’ scandal after a number of intercepted telephone calls made by Moggi raised suspicions of alleged sporting fraud.

But Cannavaro has today defended the man who brought him to Turin, insisting the sport’s illness is much more widespread.

“This isn’t just about the Juventus directors,” he said at Italy’s Coverciano training base on Wednesday. “It’s about the whole system.

“There is the image that this is just about Juventus because the phone of our director was tapped,” he added.

“I’m surprised that a lot of people don’t seem to be involved because Moggi was a friend of everyone…

“It is right that those who have made mistakes must pay for them, but let us see what the sporting justice system rules.”

A number of referees are also part of the investigation, with Massimo De Santis being withdrawn from the World Cup as a result.

But Cannavaro insists that he never felt favoured by referees and underlined Juventus’ poor results in games officiated by that particular man in black.

“I never got the impression that the referees were biased,” added the stopper who also underlined today that he wouldn’t be stepping down as Italy captain.

“Refereeing mistakes have happened against us too. We had De Santis six times last season and hardly ever won.

“In fact, we lost the Italian Super Cup to Inter with him in charge when we had a [David] Trezeguet goal wrongly disallowed.”

Possible sanctions for Juventus, if charged and found guilty of any irregularities, could see them lose the last two titles and even face demotion to the Second Division.

“The last two years are not to be erased,” Cannavaro underlined. “I feel that we won those Scudetti on the pitch, they are mine.

“I was proud to be a Juventino and I still am. Serie B? I would have no problem playing in it. I have two years left on my contract and I want to respect it.”

Meanwhile, boss Marcello Lippi has reacted with amazement after his mobile phone number was accidentally published by the L’Espresso magazine.

They have apologised for the error even if the Coach has conceded that he may subsequently take legal action.
 

ZAF3000

Senior Member
Feb 14, 2005
5,348
OoooOOOOoooOOOooh Fabio...
Thats what I call spirit...
Thank you Fabio Cananvaro for such nice words in such a difficult time. You know we love you...

Foza Cannavaro.
 

serfaraaz

Senior Member
Apr 14, 2005
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Se Giraudo e Moggi verranno rinviati a giudizio la Juventus dovrà accantonare cifre importanti per le cause che le verranno mosse da tutte le parti. Va in default di sicuro visto che ha un patrimonio netto di 80 milioni di euro". Questa la previsione di Giuseppe Gazzoni Frascara, ex presidente del Bologna Calcio. Secondo l'imprenditore, comunque, non è in bilico solo la Vecchia Signora. "Finirà tutto in una pulizia collettiva e a rischio ci sono anche la Lazio e la Fiorentina. Se anche la Lazio non viene retrocessa dalla giustizia sportiva c'è sempre la giustizia ordinaria" ha concluso please translation needed
 

isha00

Senior Member
Jun 24, 2003
5,114
serfaraaz said:
Se Giraudo e Moggi verranno rinviati a giudizio la Juventus dovrà accantonare cifre importanti per le cause che le verranno mosse da tutte le parti. Va in default di sicuro visto che ha un patrimonio netto di 80 milioni di euro". Questa la previsione di Giuseppe Gazzoni Frascara, ex presidente del Bologna Calcio. Secondo l'imprenditore, comunque, non è in bilico solo la Vecchia Signora. "Finirà tutto in una pulizia collettiva e a rischio ci sono anche la Lazio e la Fiorentina. Se anche la Lazio non viene retrocessa dalla giustizia sportiva c'è sempre la giustizia ordinaria" ha concluso please translation needed
It's Gazzoni (Bologna's ex-president) that puts his nose where he isn't supposed to.
He's predicting that if Moggi and Giraudo were "rinviati a giudizio" (if a trial was to start with them as accused), Juve would have financial problems, because of the sues against us.
 

Romanisto

Junior Member
May 30, 2004
100
This is what you guys are facing. Over 11,000 pages of transcripts. Serie B would be the best you could do.

http://www.sundayherald.com/55742

MOGGI’S OCTOPUS:

Gabriele Marcotti reports as the discovery of ‘Lucky Luciano’s’ underground empire threatens to consume the Italian game

Giulio Andreotti, who was prime minister of Italy on seven different occasions, summed it up best when he said: “Thinking the worst of others is a sin ... but often it’s also the right thing to do.”
Many Italians had always thought ill of the “bianconeri”, particularly since the arrival – 10 years ago – of general manager “Lucky” Luciano Moggi and chief executive Antonio Giraudo. They believed Juve were favoured by referees, that they used their size to influence smaller clubs and got an unreasonably large slice of the television pie. Yet, most saw it as not much different to the kind of treatment big clubs everywhere enjoy . And using one’s clout to consolidate power within a league was, again, simply skillful diplomacy.

Over the last few weeks, however, it has been claimed that Juve’s dominance was far more sinister. Indeed, it has been alleged that Moggi and Giraudo set up a system of influence and corruption whose tentacles reached everywhere, a structure based on threats, intimidation and patronage whose main purpose was to favour Juventus and their allies.

And now that Moggi’s “octopus” (as it has come to be known) has been exposed, the consequences have rocked the Italian game to its foundation. The top two officials in the Football Association have been forced to resign, as has the Italian FA’s chief investigator. Six referees have been suspended, including Massimo De Santis, who was set to represent Italy at the World Cup. A total of 58 people – club officials, referees, FA officials, policemen and journalists – are being formally investigated. The two titles Juventus won in 2004-05 and 2005-06 could be stripped and they could find themselves relegated to Serie C1, the third division, while other unnamed clubs under investigation could all end up in Serie B. And, if reports in the Italian press are to be believed, it was orchestrated by Moggi, a former railway employee who became the most powerful man in Serie A.

The whole affair came to light almost accidentally, when magistrates in Rome began wire-tapping members of an illegal gambling ring in the summer of 2004. While the inquiry revealed these unlicensed bookmakers were congenital fantasists who claimed to have contacts and inside information they in fact did not possess, it also led them to bug Moggi’s phone for eight months, during which time he made or received around 100,000 calls (an average of 416 per day).

The transcripts of these conversations unveiled the sheer size of Moggi’s operation. There were no bribes or brown envelopes, the evil genius of the system lay in the fact that it was all about influence-peddling. Moggi is alleged to have essentially controlled Franco Carraro, the head of the Italian FA, and the two men charged with assigning referees, Pierluigi Pairetto and Paolo Bergamo. The phone taps show Moggi would freely discuss the referee assignments with them, effectively deciding which referee would get which game.

At the same time, it was made clear that a referee’s career would suffer if they made mistakes which damaged Juventus. They would be suspended or sent to officiate in Serie B. In one case, Moggi went even further, underscoring the degree of impunity he had acquired. Following a controversial 2-1 loss to Reggina, he burst into referee Gianluca Paparesta’s dressing room, berated him, then locked him inside before disappearing with the key. On the other hand, those that did Moggi’s bidding would be rewarded with prestigious matches and even spots in Uefa’s list of officials. And those officials who were deemed “untouchable” – like Pierluigi Collina and Roberto Rosetti – were generally kept away from Juve.

As a result, they generally received a helping hand from officials, both directly and indirectly. Teams who were due to face Juventus the following week were regularly hit with a hail of red and yellow cards, ensuring players who were one booking away from a suspension would miss out against the bianconeri. Indeed, during 2004-05, 25 players were suspended the week they faced Juve.

Moggi’s system was so refined that it was used to damage his enemies too. When Fiorentina returned to Serie A in the 2004-05 season, the Florence club had big plans for change. However, allegations claim Moggi saw the club as a threat and Fiorentina were systematically victimised by referees to the point that, as late as April 2005, they faced the threat of relegation.

The allegations also claim that wire-taps suggest there was a deal with Fiorentina officials, whereby the club would drop its campaign for reform in exchange for “better treatment” from referees. It’s unclear whether Fiorentina accepted, though the record books show that they won eight of a possible 12 points in their last four matches to avoid the drop, at a time when the Viola stopped talking about reform.

But that was just half of Moggi’s empire. He also controlled a huge chunk of the transfer market. In 2001, his son, Alessandro created a football agency called GEA World. Cleverly, his partners were the scions of some of the most powerful men in the Italian game: Chiara Geronzi (daughter of Cesare, the head of Capitalia, a bank which provides credit to a number of clubs), Francesca Tanzi (daughter of Calisto, the Parmalat supremo and former Parma owner), Davide Lippi (son of Marcello, current Italy coach), Gianmarco Calleri (son of Riccardo, former Torino owner), Andrea Cragnotti (son of Sergio, former Lazio owner) and Giuseppe De Mita (a former Lazio executive and son of Ciriaco, a former Italian prime minster).

GEA grew quickly to the point that it controlled some 200 players and 29 managers, soon becoming the transfer market’s true powerbroker. Clubs loyal to Moggi (including Siena, Reggina and Messina) enjoyed preferential treatment. Players were steered towards them and persuaded to sign on favourable terms, they took Juve players on loan whenever they liked and, when necessary, Moggi had a quiet word with the referees’ selectors. In exchange, they threw their support behind him at every opportunity.

Thus, when Juve – who had not won for eight games – faced Siena on the penultimate day of the 2005-06 season, they took on a side where seven of the 14 men who took the pitch were GEA clients, as were the manager and general manager. Unsurprisingly, the bianconeri were 3-0 up inside seven minutes.

The involvement of other Serie A clubs remains to be confirmed but if more clubs from the top tier are found to be involved they, like Juventus and other clubs in Moggi’s orbit, could find themselves relegated.

It is very much Year Zero in Italy, as they try to recover from the scandal, and come to realise that Andreotti was right: until they give you reason to believe otherwise, assume everyone is cheating.
 

isha00

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Jun 24, 2003
5,114
Romanisto said:
Giulio Andreotti, who was prime minister of Italy on seven different occasions, summed it up best when he said: “Thinking the worst of others is a sin ... but often it’s also the right thing to do.”

Giulio Andreotti, the right person to quote. The same one that less than a week ago said that what was done with these phone taps is worthy of a fascist state :agree:
 

Romanisto

Junior Member
May 30, 2004
100
The scandal has insured that your club does not get a fair trial. Italy is obsessed with it and most people are looking for a scapegoat. There's no way that Juve can avoid harsh punishment because what is being alleged is serious and people have assumed to be true before all the facts come out. That said, I believe that Moggi and Giraudo are guilty and the club needs to pay for the actions of those two.
 

swag

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Sep 23, 2003
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And you came all this way over here to tell us old news ... why again?

Don't you romanisti have lives? What are you trying to accomplish, pray tell?
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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isha00 said:
Giulio Andreotti, the right person to quote. The same one that less than a week ago said that what was done with these phone taps is worthy of a fascist state :agree:
Just a quick question: are you really under the impression we're going to get a fair trial?
 

Romanisto

Junior Member
May 30, 2004
100
I highly doubt you will get a fair trial. Too much has been leaked to the public and everyone already presumes your guilty before all the evidence comes out. There's a good chance your club probably is guilty of illicit activity but you should've still received a fair trial and that seems out of the question now.
 

JCK

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May 11, 2004
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Romanisto said:
I highly doubt you will get a fair trial. Too much has been leaked to the public and everyone already presumes your guilty before all the evidence comes out. There's a good chance your club probably is guilty of illicit activity but you should've still received a fair trial and that seems out of the question now.
A fair trial means that everyone shoul be there; almost all the clubs. This will not happen, they will use Juventus as a scapegoat. I am not saying Juventus are innocent but this is how things will look like.
 

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