New Juve scandal: Moggi talking to referees (2 Viewers)

BFC82

Junior Member
Oct 24, 2003
493
isha00 said:
I guess we'll have to work hard for that, since the new figc president is interista :disagree:

Where did you hear about that? As far as I know Moratti only recommended him before, but as far as him being an Interista is news to me.

This is what asked in the Moratti interview:

Q.)
Is Guido Rossi the right person for the job of Italian Football Federation (FIGC) commissioner?

A.)
"Yes. I put his name forward for the federation many years ago. Apart from his knowledge, he is also a splendid, crystalline and very intelligent person who is recognised internationally as one of the most important people from an intellectual point of view. There was no better choice."
 

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ReBeL

The Jackal
Jan 14, 2005
22,871
Did you read the new weekly crap written by the thing called Sheridan Bird??

If you don't know him before this, I have to tell you he's an anti-Juve thing. Have fun:p

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The Filthy, Filthy Mess Of Italian Football



Try and remember the last time you had a big party in your own house - you probably had fun, took an alcoholic drink or two and left a nice little mess which could be 'sorted out in the morning'. Then you awoke with a muscular hangover and plodded downstairs...and when you saw the filth and chaos from the night before you may well have thought to yourself, "I knew it was dirty, but didn’t realise it was this bad."

That sums up the scandals in Italian football at the moment. If you know a little about calcio you probably already knew it was a bit dodgy. But the betting is that you had no idea it was this dirty.

The Argentine press, reporting in a country where football corruption isn’t exactly unknown, is already calling this the biggest sports scandal in history, and everyone is shocked at how far-reaching and widespread the muck is.

Any description of this nastiness starts with the man at the centre of it, the intimidating, slitty-eyed director general (ex- actually, he resigned on Sunday night almost in tears, poor little lamb) of Juventus, Luciano Moggi. This tough guy has been the subject of a torrent of accusations in the last two weeks, with transcripts published of his phone calls intercepted by investigators. The list of underhand things he is claimed to have done is chilling.

First up is his cosy relationship with the referees of Serie A, some of whom he sneakily instructed to book any players on the cusp of a suspension for games against Juventus. So if, for example a key Bologna defender was one yellow away from missing his side’s game with Juve, an order to caution that player would filter down to the ref officiating the next Bologna match.

His most worrying personal relationship was with the referee Massimo De Santis, who is so involved with the murky dealings he has been banned by FIFA from going to the World Cup. He was one of Italy’s representative officials. But now he isn’t going. Very embarrassing for L’Italia.

Naturally, woe betide those whistle-men who didn’t do as Moggi said, most emphatically the housewife’s fave Gianluca Paperesta, who just happened to deny Juventus a clear penalty in the Reggina v Bianconeri league match of last season and paid the price. Obviously he wasn’t killed, or didn’t wake up with a Ruud Van Nistelrooy’s head in his bed:rofl:, but he was cornered in his dressing room after the game by Moggi and partner in crime Antonio Giraudo, threatened, shouted at and then locked in.

Moggi made off with the key, leaving Paperasta trapped inside with nothing but his wash bag and spare socks for company. At the time the tanned ref didn’t report the incident for fear of losing his job. But locking someone in a room in a fit of rage? Pathetic.

Players have also felt the rough side of Lucky Luciano, most of all those who refused to join his son’s management agency, GEA, which is also under investigation. Any pro who decided against being represented by GEA when approached was quite clearly told that his chances of playing for Italy would be severely hindered.

The Turin club are not the only side under investigation, as Lazio, Milan and Fiorentina are in the spotlight too. But not with the same scrutiny as Juve, who could be relegated if the allegations of match fixing and referee 'conditioning' are proved, and they may even have their last two titles taken away, including the one they won this weekend. The last time a Scudetto was revoked was in the 1920s, when Torino got punished. Any relegation, whether to Serie B or C1, would surely see the Zebras’ star players all nick off elsewhere, even the old ones like Pavel Nedved.

It all makes for very ugly reading, and does Italian football’s image so much harm. With all the predicted trials and enquiries expected to last months and months, it has been claimed that next season may not start until October, which would throw any Italian participation in the Champions League into doubt as registrations for the competition have to be completed by July 28th, which will be far too early for this disaster to be sorted out.

It gets worse too, although thankfully on a less sinister note, as calcio prepares a painful farewell to one of its greatest ever strikers, Mr Andriy Shevchenko. Milan are pretending that he will stay, but the way in which he went into the crowd at the San Siro to watch some of the first half of Sunday’s match with the fans was significant and smacked of an affectionate goodbye. Sheva and his family fancy London and the Premier League, and what Sheva wants he often gets, in his own ultra-polite, gentlemanly way. Italy’s loss would be Britain’s gain - the man is a legend, intelligent, loyal and the ultimate predator. A hero on and off the pitch. Chelsea fans, you lot should be smiling like loonies. Unlike the Juve fans.
 

AlexTheGreat

Senior Member
May 10, 2006
999
ReBeL said:
Did you read the new weekly crap written by the thing called Sheridan Bird??

If you don't know him before this, I have to tell you he's an anti-Juve thing. Have fun:p

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The Filthy, Filthy Mess Of Italian Football



Try and remember the last time you had a big party in your own house - you probably had fun, took an alcoholic drink or two and left a nice little mess which could be 'sorted out in the morning'. Then you awoke with a muscular hangover and plodded downstairs...and when you saw the filth and chaos from the night before you may well have thought to yourself, "I knew it was dirty, but didn’t realise it was this bad."

That sums up the scandals in Italian football at the moment. If you know a little about calcio you probably already knew it was a bit dodgy. But the betting is that you had no idea it was this dirty.

The Argentine press, reporting in a country where football corruption isn’t exactly unknown, is already calling this the biggest sports scandal in history, and everyone is shocked at how far-reaching and widespread the muck is.

Any description of this nastiness starts with the man at the centre of it, the intimidating, slitty-eyed director general (ex- actually, he resigned on Sunday night almost in tears, poor little lamb) of Juventus, Luciano Moggi. This tough guy has been the subject of a torrent of accusations in the last two weeks, with transcripts published of his phone calls intercepted by investigators. The list of underhand things he is claimed to have done is chilling.

First up is his cosy relationship with the referees of Serie A, some of whom he sneakily instructed to book any players on the cusp of a suspension for games against Juventus. So if, for example a key Bologna defender was one yellow away from missing his side’s game with Juve, an order to caution that player would filter down to the ref officiating the next Bologna match.

His most worrying personal relationship was with the referee Massimo De Santis, who is so involved with the murky dealings he has been banned by FIFA from going to the World Cup. He was one of Italy’s representative officials. But now he isn’t going. Very embarrassing for L’Italia.

Naturally, woe betide those whistle-men who didn’t do as Moggi said, most emphatically the housewife’s fave Gianluca Paperesta, who just happened to deny Juventus a clear penalty in the Reggina v Bianconeri league match of last season and paid the price. Obviously he wasn’t killed, or didn’t wake up with a Ruud Van Nistelrooy’s head in his bed:rofl:, but he was cornered in his dressing room after the game by Moggi and partner in crime Antonio Giraudo, threatened, shouted at and then locked in.

Moggi made off with the key, leaving Paperasta trapped inside with nothing but his wash bag and spare socks for company. At the time the tanned ref didn’t report the incident for fear of losing his job. But locking someone in a room in a fit of rage? Pathetic.

Players have also felt the rough side of Lucky Luciano, most of all those who refused to join his son’s management agency, GEA, which is also under investigation. Any pro who decided against being represented by GEA when approached was quite clearly told that his chances of playing for Italy would be severely hindered.

The Turin club are not the only side under investigation, as Lazio, Milan and Fiorentina are in the spotlight too. But not with the same scrutiny as Juve, who could be relegated if the allegations of match fixing and referee 'conditioning' are proved, and they may even have their last two titles taken away, including the one they won this weekend. The last time a Scudetto was revoked was in the 1920s, when Torino got punished. Any relegation, whether to Serie B or C1, would surely see the Zebras’ star players all nick off elsewhere, even the old ones like Pavel Nedved.

It all makes for very ugly reading, and does Italian football’s image so much harm. With all the predicted trials and enquiries expected to last months and months, it has been claimed that next season may not start until October, which would throw any Italian participation in the Champions League into doubt as registrations for the competition have to be completed by July 28th, which will be far too early for this disaster to be sorted out.

It gets worse too, although thankfully on a less sinister note, as calcio prepares a painful farewell to one of its greatest ever strikers, Mr Andriy Shevchenko. Milan are pretending that he will stay, but the way in which he went into the crowd at the San Siro to watch some of the first half of Sunday’s match with the fans was significant and smacked of an affectionate goodbye. Sheva and his family fancy London and the Premier League, and what Sheva wants he often gets, in his own ultra-polite, gentlemanly way. Italy’s loss would be Britain’s gain - the man is a legend, intelligent, loyal and the ultimate predator. A hero on and off the pitch. Chelsea fans, you lot should be smiling like loonies. Unlike the Juve fans.
thats pathetic! his ignorance is surprising. yea, smile Chelsea fans, Sheva would score 40+ goals in he 1st season of EPL. poor guy!
 

isha00

Senior Member
Jun 24, 2003
5,115
BFC82 said:
Where did you hear about that? As far as I know Moratti only recommended him before, but as far as him being an Interista is news to me.

This is what asked in the Moratti interview:

Q.)
Is Guido Rossi the right person for the job of Italian Football Federation (FIGC) commissioner?

A.)
"Yes. I put his name forward for the federation many years ago. Apart from his knowledge, he is also a splendid, crystalline and very intelligent person who is recognised internationally as one of the most important people from an intellectual point of view. There was no better choice."

Maybe the fact that he's Moratti's personal lawyer, that he is (has been?) part of Inter's board, that he followed both the privatization of Telecom (now owned by Tronchetti Provera) and the purchasing of Ronaldo :wink:
 

AlexTheGreat

Senior Member
May 10, 2006
999
Matteo.. said:
Where is his ignorance surprising and where is he being an anti-Juventino? His comparison to the day after was brilliant and just.
whether u believe or not, after so many many bad things happened, i still regard Serie A as the best football league all over the world. English clubs perform were seem so well in rencent years wouldnt change my mind though.
 

isha00

Senior Member
Jun 24, 2003
5,115
Matteo.. said:
I know it's quite annoying to read it like that, I tried to upload the actual page as a picture, but somehow it went wrong. Anyway, there was this quite sign "Moggi, dicci chi vince il Giro" :D. Also, I'm not much of a fan of Bramati anymore.
It'd be annoying anyway :wink: But thanks :)
 

Fight Club

Junior Member
Dec 14, 2005
180
i could live with that, if only we were so lucky...(that is if we were to be found guilty) coz 12 points deduction, well we would still finish ahead of inter at the end of next season, haha.
 

ReBeL

The Jackal
Jan 14, 2005
22,871
Matteo.. said:
Where is his ignorance surprising and where is he being an anti-Juventino? His comparison to the day after was brilliant and just.
I'm not talking only about this article...

If you want to see his previous articles, just read this one and let me know if ou rate him as a just writer:

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If You Only Ever Watch One Juventus Match...



Get your snazzy Prada raincoat out and retrieve your D&G blizzard jacket from the loft, because there is a big storm in Italy. The TV, radio and the print media are talking about nothing else (well, apart from Prince William’s girlfriend ). This latest tempest regards the men in the middle, most notably Signor Antonio Dattilo, who had a wretched weekend.

When speaking about dodgy refereeing decisions, one understands that we are talking about Juventus, naturally. In their home game with Udinese, the real villain was the man with the whistle. He stamped his authority all over the match in the worst possible way.

First he sent off Udinese midfielder Muntari for two bookable offences. As both fouls were worthy of a yellow, this in itself wasn’t the problem. The Ghanian with the Mr. T haircut had to go, even if Pavel Nedved’s majestic swan dive helped rush the dismissal along. In fact, Muntari’s second foul, the aggressive tackle on the Czech winger, was the kind that Nedved himself does five or six of every week, but doesn’t get punished.

The away bench and fans were irked because when Juve’s Emerson committed his own bookable foul, as he does every week, Dattilo didn’t get his cards out. Even the impartial viewer had a feeling of 'One rule for Juve, another rule for the others'. It does seem rather strange that Juventus are top of the fouling table, but have received the second fewest cards this season. Coincidence?

That was not the most controversial episode though, because the game was won by a goal which should never have been allowed. From a Zambrotta cross, Del Piero and Trezeguet were lurking just outside the six-yard box, in clear offside positions. Del Piero, being a good professional, didn’t wait for the flag though, and stroked the ball into the net. When it became apparent that the ref and his assistants weren’t going to annul the strike, the Udinese staff at pitchside went understandably crackers town. In training the goal would have been chalked off, let alone a Serie A match featuring the champions.

In the scrap to get back into the game, ten-man Udinese fought hard, and thought they had a penalty when Fabio Cannavaro pushed Vidigal, who was lining himself up to nod the ball into an empty net. A spot-kick could have been given very easily, but, somehow it wasn’t. Some would say the Big Fabio was being smart nudging the Portuguese player to put him off. Others will say he was cheating. But no penalty.

The anger was palpable, and TV cameras picked up Udinese manager coach Serse Cosmi shouting "What a disgrace" at ref Dattilo, and an Udinese player ironically asking the fourth official, "Why don’t we just return to Udine now?", as if to suggest there was no way they were going to be leaving the Stadio Delle Alpi with anything. Cosmi’s assistant manager was sent off for protesting too much.

It all made for very uncomfortable viewing, and couldn’t have come at a worse time - a week before the Inter v Juve match, the nearest thing there will be to a title-decider this year. This fixture, the Derby D’Italia, doesn’t want for past controversies. Most famously in April 1998 when the Bianconeri defender Mark Iuliano blatantly bundled Ronaldo over (who was a slim-ish genius in those days) in the box, but the ref waved play on. The Turin club went on to win 1-0 and take the Scudetto too. This incident is still shown on TV here all the time. After that match Big Ron himself declared that all the officials had been 'bought by FIAT' (i.e. Juventus) and he copped a ban for the outburst.

The man who made the terrible decisions this time, Antonio Dattilo, has been suspended for a 'Non breve periodo' after his Sunday afternoon effort, and all eyes will be on the weekend’s Inter v Juve match. Will it be a fair game, an example, a showpiece of fair play and skill for the world to enjoy? Or will it be yet another hornet’s nest, packed with debate, bitterness and accusations? If you only watch one Juve match this year (which isn’t actually a bad idea) make it this one...
 

isha00

Senior Member
Jun 24, 2003
5,115
mark77 said:
Serie D side Trapani will be penalized 12 points for next season's championship for being found guilty of fixing a match.
And we also have to consider that they were found guilty, with proof I mean.

Plus u remember one of the lasts season, the one with Catania that had been relegated by the sportive justice and was then admitted back with a sentence of Tar (ordinarly magistrature)?
If we were to be demoted and the ordinary justice aquitted us, the stockholders could ask TAR the same (that and a compensation for the damage done).


But one thing against us, that Trapani didn't have, is a verdict already emitted by the press.
 

Mark

The Informer
Administrator
Dec 19, 2003
96,232
isha00 said:
And we also have to consider that they were found guilty, with proof I mean.

Plus u remember one of the lasts season, the one with Catania that had been relegated by the sportive justice and was then admitted back with a sentence of Tar (ordinarly magistrature)?
If we were to be demoted and the ordinary justice aquitted us, the stockholders could ask TAR the same (that and a compensation for the damage done).


But one thing against us, that Trapani didn't have, is a verdict already emitted by the press.
Proof or no proof, in our case we are guilty before we can defend ourselves. :tdown:

anyway, here's some interesting stats about Moggi's supposedly good friend Massimo DeSantis for the past 2 seasons.

19.09.2004 Campionato Juventus-Atalanta 2-0 W
14.11.2004 Campionato Lecce-Juventus 0-1 W
06.01.2005 Campionato Parma-Juventus 1-1 L
05.02.2005 Campionato Palermo-Juventus 1-0 L
20.04.2005 Campionato Juventus-Inter 0-1 L
20.08.2005 Supercoppa Italiana Juventus-Inter 0-1 L (perfectly good goals by Trez dissalowed)
21.12.2005 Campionato Juventus-Siena 2-0 W
12.03.2006 Campionato Juventus-Milan 0-0 D
07.05.2006 Campionato Juventus-Palermo 2-1 W

4 wins 4 lost 1 draw

scandalo???
 

Eddy

The Maestro
Aug 20, 2005
12,644
ReBeL said:
I'm not talking only about this article...

If you want to see his previous articles, just read this one and let me know if ou rate him as a just writer:

----------------------------------------------------------------

If You Only Ever Watch One Juventus Match...



Get your snazzy Prada raincoat out and retrieve your D&G blizzard jacket from the loft, because there is a big storm in Italy. The TV, radio and the print media are talking about nothing else (well, apart from Prince William’s girlfriend ). This latest tempest regards the men in the middle, most notably Signor Antonio Dattilo, who had a wretched weekend.

When speaking about dodgy refereeing decisions, one understands that we are talking about Juventus, naturally. In their home game with Udinese, the real villain was the man with the whistle. He stamped his authority all over the match in the worst possible way.

First he sent off Udinese midfielder Muntari for two bookable offences. As both fouls were worthy of a yellow, this in itself wasn’t the problem. The Ghanian with the Mr. T haircut had to go, even if Pavel Nedved’s majestic swan dive helped rush the dismissal along. In fact, Muntari’s second foul, the aggressive tackle on the Czech winger, was the kind that Nedved himself does five or six of every week, but doesn’t get punished.

The away bench and fans were irked because when Juve’s Emerson committed his own bookable foul, as he does every week, Dattilo didn’t get his cards out. Even the impartial viewer had a feeling of 'One rule for Juve, another rule for the others'. It does seem rather strange that Juventus are top of the fouling table, but have received the second fewest cards this season. Coincidence?

That was not the most controversial episode though, because the game was won by a goal which should never have been allowed. From a Zambrotta cross, Del Piero and Trezeguet were lurking just outside the six-yard box, in clear offside positions. Del Piero, being a good professional, didn’t wait for the flag though, and stroked the ball into the net. When it became apparent that the ref and his assistants weren’t going to annul the strike, the Udinese staff at pitchside went understandably crackers town. In training the goal would have been chalked off, let alone a Serie A match featuring the champions.

In the scrap to get back into the game, ten-man Udinese fought hard, and thought they had a penalty when Fabio Cannavaro pushed Vidigal, who was lining himself up to nod the ball into an empty net. A spot-kick could have been given very easily, but, somehow it wasn’t. Some would say the Big Fabio was being smart nudging the Portuguese player to put him off. Others will say he was cheating. But no penalty.

The anger was palpable, and TV cameras picked up Udinese manager coach Serse Cosmi shouting "What a disgrace" at ref Dattilo, and an Udinese player ironically asking the fourth official, "Why don’t we just return to Udine now?", as if to suggest there was no way they were going to be leaving the Stadio Delle Alpi with anything. Cosmi’s assistant manager was sent off for protesting too much.

It all made for very uncomfortable viewing, and couldn’t have come at a worse time - a week before the Inter v Juve match, the nearest thing there will be to a title-decider this year. This fixture, the Derby D’Italia, doesn’t want for past controversies. Most famously in April 1998 when the Bianconeri defender Mark Iuliano blatantly bundled Ronaldo over (who was a slim-ish genius in those days) in the box, but the ref waved play on. The Turin club went on to win 1-0 and take the Scudetto too. This incident is still shown on TV here all the time. After that match Big Ron himself declared that all the officials had been 'bought by FIAT' (i.e. Juventus) and he copped a ban for the outburst.

The man who made the terrible decisions this time, Antonio Dattilo, has been suspended for a 'Non breve periodo' after his Sunday afternoon effort, and all eyes will be on the weekend’s Inter v Juve match. Will it be a fair game, an example, a showpiece of fair play and skill for the world to enjoy? Or will it be yet another hornet’s nest, packed with debate, bitterness and accusations? If you only watch one Juve match this year (which isn’t actually a bad idea) make it this one...

That's a well written article but it is not anti-Juve IMO..A good writer needs a good story, he's just evaluating what had happened over the past and present years of Juve. An interesting article..
 

Tifoso

Sempre e solo Juve
Aug 12, 2005
5,162
mark77 said:
Proof or no proof, in our case we are guilty before we can defend ourselves. :tdown:

anyway, here's some interesting stats about Moggi's supposedly good friend Massimo DeSantis for the past 2 seasons.

19.09.2004 Campionato Juventus-Atalanta 2-0 W
14.11.2004 Campionato Lecce-Juventus 0-1 W
06.01.2005 Campionato Parma-Juventus 1-1 L
05.02.2005 Campionato Palermo-Juventus 1-0 L
20.04.2005 Campionato Juventus-Inter 0-1 L
20.08.2005 Supercoppa Italiana Juventus-Inter 0-1 L (perfectly good goals by Trez dissalowed)
21.12.2005 Campionato Juventus-Siena 2-0 W
12.03.2006 Campionato Juventus-Milan 0-0 D
07.05.2006 Campionato Juventus-Palermo 2-1 W

4 wins 4 lost 1 draw

scandalo???
Awesome post :clap:
 

d.nico

Senior Member
Apr 23, 2003
2,244
mark77 said:
Proof or no proof, in our case we are guilty before we can defend ourselves. :tdown:

anyway, here's some interesting stats about Moggi's supposedly good friend Massimo DeSantis for the past 2 seasons.

19.09.2004 Campionato Juventus-Atalanta 2-0 W
14.11.2004 Campionato Lecce-Juventus 0-1 W
06.01.2005 Campionato Parma-Juventus 1-1 L
05.02.2005 Campionato Palermo-Juventus 1-0 L
20.04.2005 Campionato Juventus-Inter 0-1 L
20.08.2005 Supercoppa Italiana Juventus-Inter 0-1 L (perfectly good goals by Trez dissalowed)
21.12.2005 Campionato Juventus-Siena 2-0 W
12.03.2006 Campionato Juventus-Milan 0-0 D
07.05.2006 Campionato Juventus-Palermo 2-1 W

4 wins 4 lost 1 draw

scandalo???
BRILLIANT POST!
 

JuveBoy

Senior Member
Feb 4, 2003
5,022
mark77 said:
Proof or no proof, in our case we are guilty before we can defend ourselves. :tdown:

anyway, here's some interesting stats about Moggi's supposedly good friend Massimo DeSantis for the past 2 seasons.

19.09.2004 Campionato Juventus-Atalanta 2-0 W
14.11.2004 Campionato Lecce-Juventus 0-1 W
06.01.2005 Campionato Parma-Juventus 1-1 D
05.02.2005 Campionato Palermo-Juventus 1-0 L
20.04.2005 Campionato Juventus-Inter 0-1 L
20.08.2005 Supercoppa Italiana Juventus-Inter 0-1 L (perfectly good goals by Trez dissalowed)
21.12.2005 Campionato Juventus-Siena 2-0 W
12.03.2006 Campionato Juventus-Milan 0-0 D
07.05.2006 Campionato Juventus-Palermo 2-1 W

4 wins 4 lost 1 draw

scandalo???
It was 4 win 3 lost and 1 draw. But I got your point. Plus, we lost the importent games!! against Inter and we draw against Milan
 

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