Naturalising players (1 Viewer)

[delpiero10]

What you people most understand with the Camo "case" is that Italians=Argentines and Argentines=Italians, actually its practically true!, they look the same, live the same, have the same names, and there are many Italians in Argentina and many from Argentina in Italy it has always been so, I think it is natural that Camoranesi plays for Italy when he has lived in Italy for so long and has family there, and given the fact of what i just said above.

 

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[sallyinzaghi]

If Camo really wants to play for Italy with enough passion etc that's just fine, I just think it's odd that there were several statements saying that he plays for Italy because he's never gonna play for Argentina, as if Italy wasn't exactly a choice, it was the ONLY one, you know ?

 

[delpiero10]

Yeah i understand, like he wasnt good enough for Argentina,
but for Italy???,
but i think he is a nice person, and plays for Italy because he finds it natural and because he wants too (understandable).

 

[Lawnchair Bes]

++ [ originally posted by mikhail ] ++



Ditto the Dutch. Kluivert, Davids and Seadorf aren't exactly clones of Erik, are they?

ye, i thought all dutch looked the same

 

[gray]

++ [ originally posted by delpiero10 ] ++
What you people most understand with the Camo "case" is that Italians=Argentines and Argentines=Italians, actually its practically true!, they look the same, live the same, have the same names, and there are many Italians in Argentina and many from Argentina in Italy it has always been so, I think it is natural that Camoranesi plays for Italy when he has lived in Italy for so long and has family there, and given the fact of what i just said above.

That's a very weak argument.

Australians and Englishmen look the same, live the same, have the same names, and there are many English living in Australia and Australians living in England. Hell, they even speak the same language!!

Italians = Argentines? Gimme a break!

 

[delpiero10]

++ [ originally posted by gray ] ++

That's a very weak argument.

Australians and Englishmen look the same, live the same, have the same names, and there are many English living in Australia and Australians living in England. Hell, they even speak the same language!!

Italians = Argentines? Gimme a break!

You have no knowledge obviously about this Aregntina and Italy relationship, do some research stupid.

 

[Trezeguet_FC]

++ [ originally posted by delpiero10 ] ++


You have no knowledge obviously about this Aregntina and Italy relationship, do some research stupid.

take it easy bud

 

[nina]

No need to get all offensive now do you delpiero10

The similarity between Argentina and Italy goes to some extent and they do have a history together as Argentina was one of the countries to where most of the Italians imigrated in the past, but they are still two different nations.

Gray's example of England-Australia is actually quite good.

 

[delpiero10]

offensive?, he tries to make fun of every post i post, which is just ok , but dont get so easy offended then!.

 

[delpiero10]

++ [ originally posted by nina ] ++
The similarity between Argentina and Italy goes to some extent and they do have a history together as Argentina was one of the countries to where most of the Italians imigrated in the past, but they are still two different nations.

Exactly

 

[Trezeguet_FC]

Here's my situation.

I am Persian in blood, born in South Africa and have lived in Canada for the past 5 years and have recieved my full Canadian Citizenship (I immigrated).

If I were to become I big footballer (in my dreams) then I'd have the option of Iran (native blood), South Africa (home-land) and Canada (citizenship) place. Personally, I would discard Canada first since I have no passion for this country. Iran is a very corrupt country and playing for a corrupt govenment and clergy is not in my best interest. Finally, good old South Africa! It would be my dream to play for South Africa. I would pounce on that oppourtunity like a mofo.

Anyways, enough of my dream talk...

 

[gray]

++ [ originally posted by delpiero10 ] ++
offensive?, he tries to make fun of every post i post, which is just ok , but dont get so easy offended then!.

I do? I don't recall following you around or specifically targeting your posts, but maybe we just think very differently, in which case I look forward to many interesting discussions with you

 

[nina]

++ [ originally posted by delpiero10 ] ++
Exactly

But although they are similar people cannot just become Italians or Argentinians when they move there. Still TWO DIFFERENT NATIONS. Similarity is a very weak standard for passing out citizenships.

 

[delpiero10]

++ [ originally posted by nina ] ++

But although they are similar people cannot just become Italians or Argentinians when they move there. Still TWO DIFFERENT NATIONS. Similarity is a very weak standard for passing out citizenships.

Yes, but at least it is more natural than any other example except maybe the Aus-Eng thing. Look at France, and they think its just natural that they play there, so i most say the Camoranesi thing is simply no problem.

 

[gray]

++ [ originally posted by nina ] ++
But although they are similar people cannot just become Italians or Argentinians when they move there. Still TWO DIFFERENT NATIONS. Similarity is a very weak standard for passing out citizenships.

Precisely. I think the Australia-England example is stronger than the link between Italians and Argentines, because at least Italy and Argentina's populations are 'made up of their own people', for lack of a better expression. The only true Australians are Aborigines, who just incase you don't know have black skin and are treated like shit by Australians. Trace Australia's roots not so far back, and you'll see that the population is descended from English convicts, since England originally used Australia as a place to dump all their hardened criminals. So if anything, there should be Englishmen playing for Australia and Australians playing for England before we see Argentines playing for Italy.

As nina said, they're too completely distinct and independent nations, and you'd sound absurd if you asked an Italian what nationality he is, and said "Oh okay, so basically you're Argentinean"

 

[Martin]

The question is... is it insulting to call an Argentine Italian?

If not then by all means...

 

[delpiero10]

++ [ originally posted by Martin ] ++
The question is... is it insulting to call an Argentine Italian?

If not then by all means...

WTF are you trying to hint!! this is not by calling people this or that, but the fact that Argentines and Italians are close.

 

[Martin]

Well if they are close enough to be interchangable, then I see no problem mixing and matching national teams.

 

[delpiero10]

++ [ originally posted by Martin ] ++
Well if they are close enough to be interchangable, then I see no problem mixing and matching national teams.

Suppose to be funny?, Camoranesi has Italian family members, Italian passport, and lived in Italy many years plus being and argentine, whats the problem with having him on Italy, its not like France who has full of black players from Africa on their team.

 

[vitoria_Ally]

++ [ originally posted by Erik ] ++

These differences in opinion and law led to some nations easily naturalising 'foreign' players into their national squads where some other nations refrained from it. Where do you stand on the matter?

Naturalisation in sport is "using" foreigners to achieve sth, when you dont have your own very talented citizens. Poland do that as well: we didnt have good forward so we naturalised Olisadebe, recently we naturalised some good athlets, who runs 3000m.

I dont know if this is right or wrong.
Over here people used to say that such foreigners steal place in NT from our own citizens, but from the other side: if we had such talented forwards, runners, we wouldnt have to naturalise foreigners.

In generally I dont mind that countries naturalise sportsmen, if they want to represent other country than they were born in - that's fine, but also if they decide to choose new citizenship, they always should lose their first one, to avoid double citizenship.

The ony one thing I dont like, is the way they get new citizenship: it's so fast! In Poland you can get Polish citizenship, if you have been living here for at least 5 years, and Olisadebe get it after 2-3 years.
This is not fait towards all the other people, who want to get it, but from the other side I do realise, why sportsmen get is so fast.