Nationality debate (11 Viewers)

[Seven]

Just admit it. You're jealous of America and you hate black people.

I am jealous of America in some aspects. No doubt about that.

While those were important years for him, his talent really developed at an early age playing in the U.S. he played for Olympic Development teams, chief. You can't deny he developed here first before moving to Italy.

He did for some part develop in the US. I won't deny that. And they probably did discover his talent over there as well. But to label him a traitor because he chose Italy. I don't know, I'd have a hard time doing that. We all know how immigrants generally feel about their "homecountry" and add to that the fact that Rossi has been living in Italy for a number of years and was probably called an Italian in America lots of times.. I'm sorry, I just don't see why it's so wrong.

 

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[bianconero]

You've had 14 years to find a honourable American to support.

Is that Honour.

Mock-fan.

Have you ever seen Juventus play live, by that I mean in the flesh?

Sure, I'm a mock fan for liking my own country.

Dumbass.

Another insult instead of an answer.

I take it then you have never seen Juventus play live.

 

[Enron]

Oh really? So Americans don't call Italian Americans Italians? That's new.

The thing is with Rossi you can't be sure. He really has a dual nationality. I don't see on what basis you could say he's not Italian.

Wow. People referring to themselves as Americans proves that I call Vinnie Italian.

For me I think it's stupid to even argue what's more American. The majority of Americans can probably gain dual citizenship at the very least. It's a country of immigrants. So it's pretty much a baseless argument. As in it doesn't matter.

For me I could have six generations of chinese relatives and I'll still consider myself American. As for Rossi, he's a great talent and I think he could really have helped the NT, but it's not that big of a deal because he never really played for the US. I mean he did get discovered by the Red Bull and played in there academy before he went to Parma, was born in Jersey, and talks like a Soprano. But he never played for the US NT on any level like Subotic did, nor did he act like he was considering it either. From the get go he said he was going to play for Italy and that's fine.

If anything I (by I, I mean myself, I'm not speaking for anyone in general or Americans as a whole) feel we should be upset with the guys running our NT who insist on forcing American talent into the MLS and ignoring the young talent that plays overseas. This whole Landon Donovan/Alexi Lalas mentality that the MLS can produce the talent of the European academies is retarded and has set the NT back considerably since 2002. That and the lack of playing our best young talent by our idiot of a coach.

 

[Bjerknes]

Another insult instead of an answer.

I take it then you have never seen Juventus play live.

Have you?

 

[Seven]

Have you?

It is a bit weird though, Andy. He raises a good point.

 

[Bjerknes]

It is a bit weird though, Andy. He raises a good point.

Not really.

National football and club football is different. I've already explained why I support Juventus.

 

[Enron]

I am jealous of America in some aspects. No doubt about that.

Told you so. Now buy yourself a ticket come hang out.

 

[JCK]

Another insult instead of an answer.

I take it then you have never seen Juventus play live.

Calling a fan a mock fan is also an insult.

 

[Rollie]

Wow. People referring to themselves as Americans proves that I call Vinnie Italian.

For me I think it's stupid to even argue what's more American. The majority of Americans can probably gain dual citizenship at the very least. It's a country of immigrants. So it's pretty much a baseless argument. As in it doesn't matter.

For me I could have six generations of chinese relatives and I'll still consider myself American. As for Rossi, he's a great talent and I think he could really have helped the NT, but it's not that big of a deal because he never really played for the US. I mean he did get discovered by the Red Bull and played in there academy before he went to Parma, was born in Jersey, and talks like a Soprano. But he never played for the US NT on any level like Subotic did, nor did he act like he was considering it either. From the get go he said he was going to play for Italy and that's fine.

If anything I (by I, I mean myself, I'm not speaking for anyone in general or Americans as a whole) feel we should be upset with the guys running our NT who insist on forcing American talent into the MLS and ignoring the young talent that plays overseas. This whole Landon Donovan/Alexi Lalas mentality that the MLS can produce the talent of the European academies is retarded and has set the NT back considerably since 2002. That and the lack of playing our best young talent by our idiot of a coach.

Excellent post, Aaron. Agree with everything you wrote, even if I don't know much at all about your NT ignoring the overseas talent.

 

[Seven]

Not really.

National football and club football is different. I've already explained why I support Juventus.

I support Juventus because I like Italy. I think. I liked Italy when I was a kid, because we used to go there on holidays and Juventus for me was part of Italy. It makes more sense.

 

[Enron]

It is a bit weird though, Andy. He raises a good point.

Isn't it a bit more forgivable to be an American who likes a European team and has never been to a live match, than it would if he lived on the Continent?

 

[Seven]

Isn't it a bit more forgivable to be an American who likes a European team and has never been to a live match, than it would if he lived on the Continent?

Oh definitely. I agree. I just find it weird for an American to support Juventus. If you live in Europe, you're bound to hear news about Juventus. It's one of the biggest clubs. There's no escaping from it. Whereas I feel that an American might have "picked" his club.

 

[Byrone]

To suggest someone is a mock fan because they havent seen their team play live is pathetic,hell probably 70% of the members in this forum havent seen Juve play live.I know a shitload of italians,portugese,greek & english south africans that have never seen their team play live,not to mention that some folk cant afford a bloody air ticket let alone accommodation,food & match tickets in europe.

 

[Bjerknes]

I support Juventus because I like Italy. I think. I liked Italy when I was a kid, because we used to go there on holidays and Juventus for me was part of Italy. It makes more sense.

Lets be clear here. I don't hate Italy. I grew up watching the Azzurri and went to matches at the 1994 World Cup. They were cool and played the sort of football I like, especially Roberto.

But I have no love for the snide fans of Italy from other countries. I can't respect them because they show no respect for us, which is fine with me.

I respect the Azzurri and most of their players, but their non-Italian fans can suck it as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Enron]

Excellent post, Aaron. Agree with everything you wrote, even if I don't know much at all about your NT ignoring the overseas talent.

Subotic is the biggest example. The guy came up through our USA developmental program which is headquarterd in Bradenton, Florida. Then he went to play at U of South Florida and then Dortmund signed him. The NT coaches didn't like his move and didn't give him a cap. If he had gone to the MLS he would have been capped years ago. Instead, he starts for Serbia.

And it all LANDYCAKES' FAULT!

 

[Seven]

To suggest someone is a mock fan because they havent seen their team play live is pathetic,hell probably 70% of the members in this forum havent seen Juve play live.I know a shitload of italians,portugese,greek & english south africans that have never seen their team play live,not to mention that some folk cant afford a bloody air ticket let alone accommodation,food & match tickets in europe.

That's probably all true, but I can tell you that seeing them live is something very, very different. And you have to add the fact that you'd be in Italy. How do you react to those Italian Juventus fans? Perhaps you wouldn't like them who knows? Suddenly the word Juventus might represent something entirely different.

 

[Seven]

Lets be clear here. I don't hate Italy. I grew up watching the Azzurri and went to matches at the 1994 World Cup. They were cool and played the sort of football I like, especially Roberto.

But I have no love for the snide fans of Italy from other countries. I can't respect them because they show no respect for us, which is fine with me.

I respect the Azzurri and most of their players, but their non-Italian fans can suck it as far as I'm concerned.

What do you mean respect? I respect the USA national team just like I respect every other national team.

 

[Bjerknes]

To suggest someone is a mock fan because they havent seen their team play live is pathetic,hell probably 70% of the members in this forum havent seen Juve play live.I know a shitload of italians,portugese,greek & english south africans that have never seen their team play live,not to mention that some folk cant afford a bloody air ticket let alone accommodation,food & match tickets in europe.

I'd say 95% of this forum haven't seen Juventus play live.

And it's even more pathetic to suggest that kids in their teens that haven't gone to a match are Mock-fans, but that's Bianconero for you.

 

[bianconero]

Another insult instead of an answer.

I take it then you have never seen Juventus play live.

Have you?

Many times.

Calling a fan a mock fan is also an insult.

He provokes I provide a response, one which I feel to be true, therefore it is not an insult but a statement of truth.

How was the curry?

 

[Bjerknes]

What do you mean respect? I respect the USA national team just like I respect every other national team.

Respect in the general sense, as in their talent and team ability. One would be a ool not to respect Italy in the world's game.