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Zlatan

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Jun 9, 2003
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#22
++ [ originally posted by Fliakis ] ++


but he doesn't play there now. all this movement would only disturb his performance imo.

No, not really. He's versatile. Whats the point of versatiality (spelling, whatever) if he's going to play one position only. The whole point of Zambrotta is that he can play anywhere on the right or left. He plays left wing back now, so why not right wing? He'd be doing the same offesnive work, only on the right.
 

Jun-hide

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Dec 16, 2002
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#23
I don't see why Zambrotta would play badly as RM. I bet Roberto Carlos is glad that he is playing as LB after the traumatic CL experience.:D.

However, Fiore as left wingback isn't going to cut it at the international level. He is going to be burned by quicker, offensive wingbacks in that position. Oddo, Zambrotta would be my wingbacks if I had to 3 back. Anyway, I think right now, it will be good idea to play back four because there isn't enough time to change it to back three. I like Italia to try out 4-3-1-2 rather than 4-2-3-1 because the trio of Alex, Cassano, Totti would put a lot of pressure on midfielder and I don't think the pair of Zanetti and Perrotta is good enough to be outnumbered in a big internation game.
I think Pirlo should be given the chance as a starter and I would take Maresca as a substitue a la Cassano. Defensively weak or not, I think his partnership with Rino is far better than the one preferred by Trap.
 

IncuboRossonero

Inferiority complex
Nov 16, 2003
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#24
++ [ originally posted by Alex ] ++
The motivation is to build the best possible team, most capable of winning the tournament, nothing else. If you think that's a wrong mindset then we disagree.
Best possible team to win the tournament or bring more JUVE glory? Get real...putting players who have barely been tested and others who haven't lived up to hype is barely a winning mindset.
 

Layce Erayce

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Aug 11, 2002
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#25
++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++


Best possible team to win the tournament or bring more JUVE glory? Get real...putting players who have barely been tested and others who haven't lived up to hype is barely a winning mindset.

exactly. what the HELL is BUFFON doing in that first-11??????????!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Zlatan

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Jun 9, 2003
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#28
++ [ originally posted by Jun-hide ] ++

However, Fiore as left wingback isn't going to cut it at the international level. He is going to be burned by quicker, offensive wingbacks in that position. Oddo, Zambrotta would be my wingbacks if I had to 3 back. Anyway, I think right now, it will be good idea to play back four because there isn't enough time to change it to back three. I like Italia to try out 4-3-1-2 rather than 4-2-3-1 because the trio of Alex, Cassano, Totti would put a lot of pressure on midfielder and I don't think the pair of Zanetti and Perrotta is good enough to be outnumbered in a big internation game.
I think Pirlo should be given the chance as a starter and I would take Maresca as a substitue a la Cassano. Defensively weak or not, I think his partnership with Rino is far better than the one preferred by Trap.
Right, this was what I was thinking (I threw Bonera in since Maldini is retired and this would need someone that can play both central and right back), a sort of 3-4-2-1 tactic, with one real striker and two support forwards.
 

Zlatan

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Jun 9, 2003
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#29
In defence, it would look like this:

Zambrotta would take on his left back position, Bonera would switch to right back and that would leave Nesta and Cannavaro in the middle. Pirlo, Gattuso amd Fiore would drop further back to protect the defence (Rino would have the biggest defensive responsibilities there of course, while Pirlo and Fiore would drift from the centre to the sides, team up with Zambrotta and Bonera respectivly and help stop attacks from the wings, while they would help Rino in the centre if the attack was going through there. Vieri would stay up front, no need for him to come back, while Cassano would be a bit behind him, ready to start a counter attack. Totti would be in centre midfield, to help out in defence if neccessary, but his biggest priority would be to take the ball out of Italy's half and organize an attack/counter attack, he would be the teams first playmaker.
 

Zlatan

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Jun 9, 2003
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#30
In attack it would look like this:

Cassano would team up with Vieri in attack, while Totti would stay behind as a playmaker, but making runs into the box when possible. Pirlo would move up from centre defence to playmaker (they would have two playmakers then, Totti and Pirlo), but unlike Totti, he would at all times stay outside the box, ready to defend if the opponents start a conterattack. Zambrotta and Fiore would be typical wingers, breaking through the flanks and crossing in for Vieri and Cassano. Totti and Pirlo could help them, drift a bit to the sides and play a nice one-two combination to put them through and give them a bit of space. Rino Gatusso would stay in centre midfield, protecting the defense while he would be helped out from Nesta who would be a bit behind him, between him and the back two, who would be Bonera and Cannavaro.


This tactic would be a bit voulnerable to counter attacks from the sides, as there are no right and left backs while Italy is attacking, and the key would be fast transition from attack to defence, the players need to know their place on the field.
 

Zlatan

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Jun 9, 2003
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#32
It's all the same tactic dude, it just shows how it would look while Italy is defending and how when they are attacking.

P.S. Get out of here DJ, this is a thread for the big boys :p ;)
 

denco

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Jul 12, 2002
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#33
----------------------------Buffon-------------------------

--------Oddo--------Nesta--------------Cannavaro---------Zambrotta


-------------Fiore----------Perotta---------Pirlo------------------


------------------------Totti--------------------------------------

---------------------Vieri-----------------------DelPiero

Players that might come in are Gatusso for Perotta to form club partnership with Pirlo and Cassano for Dp to form club partnership with Totti

Vieri is not too hot at the moment and I do hope he has 1 big championship in him

Di Natali has a shout on the right as well as an alternative to Fiore where I would totally discount Camoranesi

I hope Inzaghi recovers his form and from injury as an alternative to Vieri, if not then I would go for Corradi as he gives you his all all the time

I would totally disregard Zanetti and Tomassi would not even cross my mind

At the back Ferrari would be a back up, surprisingly nobody else actually appeals

2 players that have been criminally underused and as yet are not prepared for the Nt because of club managers are Pasquale on the left and De Rossi in midfield

Montella and Di Vaio need huge end of season form and so one does suspect does Miccolli
 

IncuboRossonero

Inferiority complex
Nov 16, 2003
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#36
Nice way to NOT respond to my criticism..Buffon has been tested and has earned his keep. What part of my under 15 word post didn't you understand?

Denco...Agree for the most part.

Perotta: BENCH.
DP - TOTTI: I would TEST the waters with this one...
Oddo: Toss up between him and Panucci. As of recent Oddo.

Notice to the critics: He was wise enough not to include Maresca in the starting 11...saw beyond the black and white glasses.
 

Layce Erayce

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Aug 11, 2002
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#38
++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++
Nice way to NOT respond to my criticism..Buffon has been tested and has earned his keep. What part of my under 15 word post didn't you understand?
well i dunno- considering this is a juve forum, a non-juve poster would expect to see juve-bias on here. i dont see the point in nitpicking cuz if u were to be fair, you wouldnt get off the computer for the next two weeks

im just asking you to be a little nicer. less malicious maybe? cheer up a lil bit. use some smilies...take things less seriously.

as a peace-offering, and an acknowledgement of my subhuman nature due to my ill-knowledge of the italian economy/culture/football,

----------------------------Abbiati-------------------------

--------Pancaro--------Costacurta--------------Nesta---------Maldini


-------------Ambrosini----------Pirlo---------Gattuso------------------


------------------------Rui Costa--------------------------------------

---------------------Pippo-----------------------Shevchenko


This team will win Euro2004
 
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Martin

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  • Thread Starter #39
    ++ [ originally posted by IncuboRossonero ] ++
    Best possible team to win the tournament or bring more JUVE glory? Get real...putting players who have barely been tested and others who haven't lived up to hype is barely a winning mindset.
    You're contradicting yourself. Do you have a problem with Italy winning the Euro if the team is based around Juve players? And if not, what difference does it make which clubs they play for as long as they they make Italy win?
     

    IncuboRossonero

    Inferiority complex
    Nov 16, 2003
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    #40
    ++ [ originally posted by Alex ] ++


    You're contradicting yourself. Do you have a problem with Italy winning the Euro if the team is based around Juve players? And if not, what difference does it make which clubs they play for as long as they they make Italy win?
    Thats the point it makes no difference at all which is why I want the best players and not your favorite players. At the end of the day I don't give a damn who I see...if Vieri is scoring and Inzaghi is not I'll be the first one to say tie Pippo up to the bench. If Del Piero is on fire....I'll be the first one chanting Alex Alex. That said I'm not willing to risk putting untested players on the team. I'm not willing to put players on the starting eleven without PROVING they can play. That said you want to play: EARN IT.
    At the end of the day most here are Italian fans because of Juve....so its only natural they see Juve players in blue uniforms. No offense but I have said this before...many here see things different than people who are in or part of the Motherland (Italy). We see Italy first and not players. Which is why I want the best team to be fielded and not the "trendy" team. At the end of the day Italy loses and most here will shrug .... for Italians our feeling, our way of looking at this team and our emotions for this team is not the same no matter how much some of you will convince me. Its natural...patriotism and origin can NEVER be overtaken by admiration or support.
     

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