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[Bjerknes]

Kim Jung Un launched another Nazi rocket and it blew up again, causing air traffic to be diverted from several airports.

Oh wait, sorry. That was Elon's Nazi rocket.

 

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[kappa96]

After all his chest puffing, Trump pauses tariffs for Mexico and Canada. What a baboon

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He is making decisions depending on what kind of mood he wakes up in the morning. Completely unhinged individual. You had senile old fart fo 4 years, now you will have crazy old fart for the next 4. Jesus...

@Nomuken gobbled that NATO countries didn't help the USA once fake news by the orange clovn yet?

 

[U Picciriddu]

You know, they call and ask for money too, right? A lot of it. All the time. And this is a first world country too, one that's just trying to bomb civilians in an open prison rather than fighting for their lives against our greatest historic enemy.

Did you ever hear about the A Clean Break document made in the 90s?

I run a ChatGPT explanation for you:

A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm – Detailed Analysis

Background and Context

“A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm” is a policy paper written in 1996 by a group of American neoconservatives for then-Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. The report was prepared by the Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies (IASPS), a conservative think tank. The study group that authored the report was led by Richard Perle, a prominent U.S. defense policy advisor, and included figures such as Douglas Feith, David Wurmser, and Meyrav Wurmser—all of whom later played influential roles in U.S. foreign policy during the George W. Bush administration.

The document was meant to serve as a strategic roadmap for Netanyahu’s new government, arguing for a fundamental shift in Israeli foreign policy, one that would reject past peace processes (such as the Oslo Accords) and instead adopt a more aggressive, self-reliant stance to ensure Israel’s security and regional dominance.


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Key Recommendations and Strategic Shifts

1. Abandoning the Oslo Peace Process and the “Land for Peace” Paradigm

The document recommended that Israel no longer engage in land-for-peace negotiations with the Palestinians and Arab states, arguing that such agreements weakened Israel and emboldened its enemies.

Instead of making concessions, Israel should assert its power and dominance in the region through proactive military and economic strategies.


2. Regime Change in Neighboring States (Particularly Iraq)

One of the most controversial aspects of the report was its call for the removal of hostile regimes in the Middle East, particularly that of Saddam Hussein in Iraq.

The authors argued that overthrowing Saddam Hussein would benefit Israel strategically by weakening Syria and reducing threats from Palestinian militant groups, which received support from Baghdad.

The report suggested that Israel work closely with the U.S. and pro-Western opposition groups to undermine hostile governments in the region.


3. Weakening Syria and Expanding Israel’s Regional Influence

Syria was identified as a key regional adversary, and the report suggested that Israel could weaken Syria through diplomatic, economic, and military means.

One strategy proposed was supporting anti-Syrian factions in Lebanon to destabilize Syrian influence there.

Another was using military deterrence to push Syria out of the Golan Heights negotiations permanently.


4. Strengthening Ties with Turkey and Jordan

The authors emphasized the importance of building strong alliances with pro-Western Arab states, particularly Jordan and Turkey.

These partnerships would serve as a counterbalance against Syria, Iraq, and Iran.

Israel should work with Turkey and Jordan to build a new regional order that isolates hostile actors and prevents the rise of radical Islamist movements.


5. Shifting the Israeli Economy Toward a Free-Market Model

The document also recommended domestic economic reforms, particularly the promotion of free-market principles and the reduction of reliance on U.S. economic aid.

The authors argued that a stronger economy would make Israel less dependent on foreign assistance and improve its military capabilities.


6. Preemptive Military Action and Strategic Defense

The report advocated for Israel to take proactive military steps rather than wait for threats to materialize.

This included preemptive strikes against enemy forces and infrastructure when necessary.

It also emphasized missile defense systems and cyber capabilities as crucial to Israel’s long-term security.



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Influence and Long-Term Impact

While A Clean Break was written specifically for Israel’s policy under Netanyahu, many of its ideas later influenced U.S. neoconservative foreign policy, particularly during the George W. Bush administration.

1. Influence on U.S. Middle East Policy

Several key contributors to A Clean Break, including Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, and David Wurmser, held influential positions in the Bush administration.

The 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq echoed the report’s call for removing Saddam Hussein as a way to reshape the Middle East.

The push to confront Syria and Iran also reflected themes from A Clean Break, as seen in the increased U.S. sanctions and pressure on these countries during the early 2000s.


2. Impact on Israeli Policy

Though Netanyahu did not fully implement A Clean Break during his first term (1996-1999), elements of its strategy influenced Israeli policies in later years.

Under Netanyahu’s later terms as prime minister (from 2009 onward), Israel has increasingly adopted preemptive military actions, economic liberalization, and closer ties with regional allies like the UAE and Saudi Arabia (as seen in the Abraham Accords).

Israeli airstrikes against Syrian and Iranian targets, as well as its policy of preventing Iranian entrenchment in Syria, align with A Clean Break’s emphasis on containing regional threats.



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Criticism and Controversy

While A Clean Break was influential, it has also been widely criticized:

1. Accusations of Advocating U.S. Intervention for Israeli Interests

Critics argue that the report laid the groundwork for the Iraq War, with neoconservative policymakers in the Bush administration pushing for regime change in Iraq in ways that aligned with the document’s recommendations.

Some view this as evidence that neoconservative thinkers blurred the lines between U.S. and Israeli interests, leading to costly military interventions in the Middle East.


2. Undermining Peace Efforts

By explicitly rejecting the Oslo Accords and diplomacy with the Palestinians, the document advocated a hardline stance that many believe contributed to continued regional instability.

Critics argue that this approach escalated conflicts instead of resolving them.


3. A Blueprint for Perpetual Conflict?

Some analysts contend that A Clean Break encouraged a zero-sum, militaristic approach to Middle East geopolitics, which ignored potential paths to peaceful coexistence.

By pushing for preemptive military action and regime change, the document’s philosophy may have contributed to prolonged cycles of war and instability.



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Conclusion

A Clean Break was a highly strategic and ambitious document that sought to redefine Israel’s approach to security and geopolitics. Its recommendations emphasized military assertiveness, economic independence, and regional power maneuvers rather than diplomacy or concessions.

Though written for Israel, the report had significant implications for U.S. policy, especially during the early 2000s. Many of its core ideas—such as preemptive regime change, weakening Syria, and countering Iran—became central to both Israeli and American foreign policy in the following decades.

However, its legacy remains controversial, with critics arguing that it contributed to regional instability, prolonged conflicts, and misguided interventions in the Middle East. Whether seen as a strategic masterplan or a dangerous ideological framework, A Clean Break remains an important document in understanding modern Middle Eastern geopolitics.

 

[Seven]

Did you ever hear about the A Clean Break document made in the 90s?

I run a ChatGPT explanation for you:

Seeing as you always were pro Trump, I was wondering how you feel about his first weeks in office.

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[Buck Fuddy]

Have you met most Americans ? They are so stupid. I’m not even talking about republicans or red states. I’m talking all Americans here. The American school system is shockingly bad.

I find that hard to believe.
Sure, there's probably quite a few people who are too dumb to realize what's happening. But all of them, or even a majority?

 

[U Picciriddu]

Seeing as you always were pro Trump, I was wondering how you feel about his first weeks in office.

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Good question, let me break it down. My main scope will always be Europe, I have been complaining about being dependent on the US years before registering here, and I think that I was right that one of the side effects of Trump would be a strong European reaction. At the bottom I’ll post my own quote right after elections.

I do agree that we need to make a peace deal between Ukraine and Russia, ive been following the war basically on a daily base since the start and it has been a stalemate for a very long time now, it even begs the question if conventional war is still winnable with the introduction of mass usage of FPV and DJI drones. I don’t agree with how he has treated Zelensky, neither with stopping giving them intelligence. Very unnecessary, not going to defend that part.

Other things, like the tariffs, quite frankly I don’t care. Neither for the European ones, in fact I hope that we restore ties with Nord-African countries and the Levant, we have historical ties with them and increasing trade will benefit both of us.

Than we have DOGE, this one is more delicate. The risk here is that they might cancel basic human aid around the world, but in my opinion DOGE is also the soft power of the US, a simple tool where they’re able to project their own agenda via NGO’s all around the world. I don’t think that the rise of woke and BLM in Europe is a coincidence, the funding probably got straight out of the US. So I hope for the best outcome which is continuing with normal aid but stopping projecting their own political agenda. There’s been so much news both for- and against that it’s to soon to give a definitive conclusion in my opinion.

At last both the situations in the Panama Canal and Greenland. Yesterday news came out that Blackrock bought several docks of the Chinese around the canal, so in retrospec that wasn’t American imperialism but turned out to be a good approach for the US (haven’t read every detail so correct me if I’m wrong here). As for Greenland, we don’t know the outcome yet, but it wouldn’t surprise me if Denmark/Europe totally compromised their own safety there, because that’s simple what we do, or at least until now because finally, since the end of the Cold War, it seems that the realisation of being self sufficient finally landed.

Oh and before I forget, there’s woke of course. Already had so many discussions about it that I wont say to much about it. For me it has nothing to do with gay acceptance, it’s an extreme progressive ideology willing to give hormone blockers to children, imo normal gay people who just want to live their life’s suffer under the rainbow flag.

So as it might sound as a paradox, Trump is potentially a blessing in disguise for us. I’m enjoying the European reaction and investments so far, it shows how ignorant they were in Brussels, let them pressure us a bit more, apparently we need it. He’s a temporary state of affairs, elections are basically one big feedback exam for the government, things will probably shift towards the center after 4 years. In the meantime I hope that we make the right decision. We can be partners with the US but only on equal terms.

Trumps foreign policy was better for us. Normalisation with Nord-Korea (who are now in Ukraine), killing Al-Baghdadi, the Abraham accords, Russia didn’t had the guts to invade Ukraine, no new wars in the Middle-East.

Besides that a positive side effect is the realisation that we shouldn’t be depended on the US might finally come. Europa has to make huge improvements on defense industry.

 

[Seven]

Good question, let me break it down. My main scope will always be Europe, I have been complaining about being dependent on the US years before registering here, and I think that I was right that one of the side effects of Trump would be a strong European reaction. At the bottom I’ll post my own quote right after elections.

I do agree that we need to make a peace deal between Ukraine and Russia, ive been following the war basically on a daily base since the start and it has been a stalemate for a very long time now, it even begs the question if conventional war is still winnable with the introduction of mass usage of FPV and DJI drones. I don’t agree with how he has treated Zelensky, neither with stopping giving them intelligence. Very unnecessary, not going to defend that part.

Other things, like the tariffs, quite frankly I don’t care. Neither for the European ones, in fact I hope that we restore ties with Nord-African countries and the Levant, we have historical ties with them and increasing trade will benefit both of us.

Than we have DOGE, this one is more delicate. The risk here is that they might cancel basic human aid around the world, but in my opinion DOGE is also the soft power of the US, a simple tool where they’re able to project their own agenda via NGO’s all around the world. I don’t think that the rise of woke and BLM in Europe is a coincidence, the funding probably got straight out of the US. So I hope for the best outcome which is continuing with normal aid but stopping projecting their own political agenda. There’s been so much news both for- and against that it’s to soon to give a definitive conclusion in my opinion.

At last both the situations in the Panama Canal and Greenland. Yesterday news came out that Blackrock bought several docks of the Chinese around the canal, so in retrospec that wasn’t American imperialism but turned out to be a good approach for the US (haven’t read every detail so correct me if I’m wrong here). As for Greenland, we don’t know the outcome yet, but it wouldn’t surprise me if Denmark/Europe totally compromised their own safety there, because that’s simple what we do, or at least until now because finally, since the end of the Cold War, it seems that the realisation of being self sufficient finally landed.

Oh and before I forget, there’s woke of course. Already had so many discussions about it that I wont say to much about it. For me it has nothing to do with gay acceptance, it’s an extreme progressive ideology willing to give hormone blockers to children, imo normal gay people who just want to live their life’s suffer under the rainbow flag.

So as it might sound as a paradox, Trump is potentially a blessing in disguise for us. I’m enjoying the European reaction and investments so far, it shows how ignorant they were in Brussels, let them pressure us a bit more, apparently we need it. He’s a temporary state of affairs, elections are basically one big feedback exam for the government, things will probably shift towards the center after 4 years. In the meantime I hope that we make the right decision. We can be partners with the US but only on equal terms.

Thank you for your comment.

I agree, perhaps not entirely for the same reasons. Purely from a European point of view I was never against Trump being elected, because I do see this as a window for opportunity. It's tricky though. Esentially he will leave a power vacuum as he is basically dismantling the USA and the EU might try to fill that void, but there are other (perhaps better prepared) players.

I will say though that I personally believe there is a tremendous amount of suffering coming towards America's common people. No social security anymore, no education, no health programs, just nothing really. There's a large segment of the middle class that believes they only pay for these programs and don't benefit, but this is false. Smart kids get smarter in all round decent education system. Vaccines work if they are deployed on a large scale. Healthcare is much cheaper if everyone pays. The streets are safer, when people don't need to steal. And I'm not even talking about the fact that human rights, such as the right to a fair trial, no longer exist in the US. 95% of the American population is going to hurt and as much as I think they deserve every last bit of it, it still stings.

'Woke' is irrelevant and always has been. It should mean nothing either way.

 

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[s4tch]

snowflakes

i bet they think about pete buttigieg getting assfucked more than buttigieg himself

 

[JuveJay]

Obergruppenführer Musk making all the hard decisions.

God forbid a straight white child has to read the word "gay" on something, or see that a black person or woman can also do something of note. Lmfao.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

Did you ever hear about the A Clean Break document made in the 90s?

I run a ChatGPT explanation for you:

And it perfectly highlights everything wrong with the region and our handling of it.

 

[U Picciriddu]

And it perfectly highlights everything wrong with the region and our handling of it.

I think that the biggest lesson is that all the wars seem to be by design.

But it's really incredible how much influence Israel seem to have on your country. It's not just supporting them with weapons, but also the will to starts wars, that's insane man.

I wonder if those senior officials named in the document are Jewish.

 

[Siamak]

 

[s4tch]

@Nomuken gobbled that NATO countries didn't help the USA once fake news by the orange clovn yet?

i still have no idea what's the reason for implementing tariffs for a day then revoking it the next day

other than insider trading that is. but that's illegal so donald would never do that

 

[kappa96]

i still have no idea what's the reason for implementing tariffs for a day then revoking it the next day

other than insider trading that is. but that's illegal so donald would never do that

Yeah!
Just now ,he just started to threaten putin!
What did the clovn think , that putin would give a f' about his peace talks .

He just saw that the clovn is weak so he pressed the pedal to the floor in attacking Ukraine .
Tumpo said " I think putin wants peace and he would be cool with a cease fire".
And putin was like " Of course I am now let me send this bunch a drones and missiles over Ukraine in one night , donald duck".

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

I think that the biggest lesson is that all the wars seem to be by design.

But it's really incredible how much influence Israel seem to have on your country. It's not just supporting them with weapons, but also the will to starts wars, that's insane man.

I wonder if those senior officials named in the document are Jewish.

We are not a free country.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

We are not a free country.

At least it's not only your country who's owned by them

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

Trump is CONSIDERING putting sanctions and tariffs on Russia. I guess he just expected Russia to want to stop fighting and negotiate a reasonable deal after he actively harmed Ukraine, what a fucking retard. Imagine voting for this guy, holy shit.

 

[Bjerknes]

We are not a free country.

Disgusting.

 

[Lion]

Trump is CONSIDERING putting sanctions and tariffs on Russia. I guess he just expected Russia to want to stop fighting and negotiate a reasonable deal after he actively harmed Ukraine, what a fucking retard. Imagine voting for this guy, holy shit.

monumental president. this is going to be the big one. holy fuck this guy will be huge