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Hust

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No Mr Trump, the EU was created to ‘screw’ Russia

[COLOR=rgba(27, 27, 27, 0.65)]US threat of 25pc tariffs on Europe is the bitter fruit of 30 years of grievances[/COLOR]

Ambrose Evans-Pritchard27 February 2025 7:31pm GMT
Donald Trump is right that the EU has engaged in semi-disguised mercantilism for decades, free-riding on the American consumer rather than generating its own demand.
He is right that Europe has exported its manufacturing unemployment to the US by means of invisible tax, fiscal and currency policies, hollowing out the rust belt industries of the Ohio Valley.
He is right too to choke on Europe’s regulatory imperialism, or what EU enthusiasts rapturously call the “Brussels Effect”.
Did the European Commission think it could ram the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) down everyone’s throats without inviting a backlash? If you wish to be top dog, you had better be sure that you are not dependent on a foreign superpower for your energy, defence and political survival.
Trump is nevertheless wrong about the origins of the EU. “The European Union was formed in order to screw the United States. That’s the purpose of it,” he told his cabinet.
Actually, the EU was an American project created to “screw” Russia. Declassified documents show that Washington pushed European integration from the late 1940s onwards, funding it covertly from Truman through to Nixon until the proto-EU was strong enough to stand on its own feet.
Euro-Godfather Jean Monnet lived in America and served as the eyes and ears of Franklin Roosevelt back in Europe during the early 1940s. Charles de Gaulle considered him a US agent.
President Truman threatened to cut off Marshall Aid in September 1950 unless the French agreed to kiss and make up with post-war Germany.
The Schuman Declaration, the founding text of the coal and steel community, was largely cooked up by US secretary of state Dean Acheson in Foggy Bottom. “It all began in Washington,” said Robert Schuman’s chief of staff.
The purpose was obvious. The US needed a rearmed and cohesive Western Europe as a bulwark against Sino-Soviet expansion.
Stalin had violated Yalta by gobbling up Czechoslovakia in 1948. Two years later North Korea crossed the 38th Parallel and invaded the South, triggering a war that pushed US military spending to 11pc of GDP – orders of magnitude greater than the modest sums spent on US forward defence in Ukraine.
As this newspaper first reported in 2000, state department files reveal that US intelligence funded the European movement secretly for decades.
It was an arms-length operation run by veterans of wartime Office of Strategic Services, precursor of the CIA.
One document shows how it paid most of the European Movement’s budget in 1958, treating some of the EU’s early “founding fathers” as hired hands. It engaged in skulduggery.
A memo dated June 11, 1965, instructs the vice-president of the European Community to pursue monetary union by stealth, suppressing debate until the “adoption of such proposals would become virtually inescapable”.
That was too clever by half, which takes us to the euro. Washington’s strategy blew up in its face in the 1990s. Once the Soviet bloc collapsed, West Europeans felt safer and quickly became cantankerous, much as Britain’s American colonies became rebellious after the French lost Canada in the Seven Years’ War.
There was a strong whiff of anti-Americanism in the EU of the 1990s as it strove to create the machinery of a full-spectrum superpower, culminating in the triumphalism of the Lisbon Agenda of March 2000.
It was to overtake the US to become “the most competitive and dynamic knowledge-based economy in the world” within a decade. When that deadline hit, the EU was instead grappling with the onset of its terrible “lost decade”.
The euro never became a reserve currency on steroids but it did have large global consequences.
Peter Navarro, Trump’s trade guru, says the warped mechanisms of monetary union enabled Germany to keep the implicit Deutsche Mark “grossly undervalued”, allowing German exporters to lock in a trade advantage over US and Club Med competitors for much of the last two decades.
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White House trade adviser Peter Navarro has rightly pointed out many of the imbalanced effects of the EU’s economic policies Credit: Alex Brandon

Berlin and Brussels responded to the eurozone debt crisis – in reality an intra-EMU capital flows crisis – by imposing hairshirt austerity and pushing the Club Med bloc into an economic depression. The South was told to export its way out of the slump via “internal devaluations”.
The aggregate effect was to lift the eurozone’s current account surplus to €343bn (£283bn) by 2018, five times larger than China’s surplus that year.
The bloc was sucking away world demand rather than agreeing to a fiscal union needed to make the euro work properly. None of this has served Germany well, and the surplus has since shrunk, but Navarro’s analysis of events from 1995-2020 is basically right.
Navarro is also right that Europe has a tapestry of regulations, VAT taxes and state aid, that skew the economy towards exports.
It shields EU farmers by blinding us with bad science. There was no justification for banning CRISPR gene-edited crops – not to be confused with transgenic plants – as the EU now acknowledges.
If you think chicken welfare is worse in America, visit the giant industrial batteries of France or Poland.
Trump’s warning this week that he aims to go ahead with 25pc tariffs on the EU is the bitter fruit of 30 years of grievances. I do not expect the UK to be spared.
The obvious answer for Europe is to rearm on a larger scale than anything planned so far by Germany, France, Italy and Britain, both as a form of military Keynesianism but also to take on the defence of Ukraine and dictate the outcome of this war rather than submitting to Trump’s pro-Kremlin proclivities.
If rich Europe cannot find the wherewithal to produce or obtain the artillery shells and anti-aircraft missiles needed to stop middle-income Russia in its tracks, it deserves to end up in the dustbin of history.
Russia has wasted men and materiel on a gothic scale to gain barely 1pc of Ukraine’s territory over the last year. It has not taken any new towns of importance, or come close to conquering the four annexed oblasts.
Russia will win the war slowly if we talk ourselves into defeatism but it is not winning yet, and don’t be fooled by the Potemkin statistics of its strained war economy.
Europe has the naval and air power to bring the country to its knees in four months by blockading the Kremlin’s dark fleet of tankers at the Skagerrak, with or without American help.
Strategic realists argue that Trump is right to try to peel Russia away from China in a “reverse Nixon” move, and that sacrificing Ukraine is worth the price – if Trump really has such clarity of vision, which I doubt.
Others say Britain’s national interest does not depend on Ukraine or the trio of Baltic states next on Putin’s menu, whatever one’s human sympathies.
Well, perhaps, but we Europeans must rearm in any case. It would be better to do so with the battle-hardened, million-strong army of Ukraine on our side of the ledger, and infinitely cheaper to help the Ukrainians fight back now rather than go along with the charade of Trump & Putin Inc.
Otherwise, we may have to defend a false peace with 100,000 troops at ruinous cost for half an eternity, without US air power or Article 5 cover from Nato.
Unresolved conflicts are toxic. Some 28,000 American combat troops are still patrolling the 38th Parallel a full 72 years after the end of the Korean War.[/COLOR]


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Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
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Everything is a negotiated deal with Trump. So no, it very much could happen.

All his life he's never expressed any grounding morals or ethics. I wouldn't expect any lines to appear now.
If I had a dime for every time someone said this about Trump I could pay Vlahovic’s salary to clap whenever I say something.
Im not saying its impossible but unlikely. Even him has to draw the line somewhere. I said a while back, how he will deal with Israel and Russia will be the metrics for me. Don't care much for his internal policies and cosmetic changes he has been making. Renaming the gulf of Mexico lol. Like every US president he caved in to Israel so that wasn't surprising. Previous administration didn't really prevent Israel from commiting genocide either. But turning his back on Ukraine will have long term consequences in relations between EU and US. He has to be receiving some hefty provision through various channels from Russians to remain neutral in this conflict. I feel bad for Zelensky. He is an absolute hero and Ukrainians have been holding so long against powerful enemy but without US help, I worry if EU can provide enough resources. As for Zelensky receiving more and more backlash, people are fickle and shit in general. High inflation and Russian propaganda are turning heads of a lot of people here in Europe.
 

Ronn

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May 3, 2012
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it's life or death for europe. they'll keep supporting ukraine. unless russia gets help from the orange fucktard, it's looking like a long war
I hope you’re right but that kind of support might require EU countries and UK to cut spending or raise taxes which can empower right wing fringe parties. In other words, they’ll only feel the war when it’s on their door, not a few thousand miles away.
Also US sanctions on Russia will likely be lifted.
 

IliveForJuve

Burn this club
Jan 17, 2011
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Whoever comes in after zelenskyy will almost probably be another Russian puppet

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De escalating how? Trump and co wanted to make a show of it at the expense of zelenskyy. It was always a lose lose situation with the US and Ukraine the moment trump was elected it was that obvious to me, they're aligned with Russia no matter what, but at what cost? Zelenskyy maintained if not gained more respect with his European allies. Fuck America.
Imagine your country being in the danger it is and then having a shitstain like Vance start ranting nonsense at you, and then Trump claiming you want to start WW3. Zelenskiy has infinite patience compared to me.
Meh, that was obviously planned and was always going to go that way. Zelensky was calm and responded factually while Trump and the First Lady yelled for “respect”. I mean, they even had Russian state media in the White House for the occasion.
Of course it was a set up. Maybe "escalating" was the wrong choice of words but he did make some snarky comments. Although, I do understand diplomacy is a two way street and it's impossible with the these cunts. I guess I was just highlighting Zelensky was not as articulate (which is obviously harder in a foreign language) and that gave Trump and Vance more troll food.

In any case, the outcome was already decided.

Now we just have to hope Europe and its other Western allies can come together and circumvent the US in the resolution of the war.
 
Mar 10, 2009
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Loool

Got to love these retarded right wing newspapers. When Putin first invaded, the Daily Mail and the Telegraph were amongst the first to champion Ukraine. However now with their demagogue lover in charge of America, they make it out as if Ukraine are the villains.
Also, can someone remind these nationalist retards that Britain is part of Europe? Putin won't simply leave the UK alone because it's not part of the EU you know.
 

Lion

King of Tuz
Jan 24, 2007
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Watching WWE event in Toronto and people are booing the US anthem. :lol:.

Does this happen in the NHL when they play in Canada?
yes, but not only this. canadians have started boycotting american goods. when you go to grocery stores, they have labels on shelves where canadian made items are so people can pick them over american ones. things are that being imported from usa are not selling as well as 40 days ago

and this is before the tariffs have fully started yet.

canadians are pissed off
 
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swag

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Nice reference. I'll add it to my list.

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Watching WWE event in Toronto and people are booing the US anthem. :lol:.

Does this happen in the NHL when they play in Canada?
ALL

THE

TIME

My Canuck homies have never seen anything like it.

thanks maga. new world order there you go

at least the eu won't support israel for too long

Putin looked like a simp over Syria, but at least Trump was there to bail him out this week.

I try... I honestly try... to find anything redeeming about this administration.

Issue: Government needs to be more efficient.
Solution: Blow it all up as if the U.S. is the most failed nation-state on the planet.

Issue: God, I really hate all this performative "First lesbian amputee makes blah blah blah" news headlines.
Solution: Block, ban, and hide any and all government documentation research and references to the "first" person who did anything.

Issue: The EU really needs to contribute more to, and advance, its own self-defense.
Answer: Take sides with Putin and claim he's the victim.

Issue: That MeToo cancel culture went a bit too far.
Solution: Use taxpayer money and other political leverage to release Andrew Tate to return him to the U.S.

Issue: Run a campaign on the evils of inflation and the need to bring down costs for the average American.
Solution: Threaten allies and trade partners with ever-increasing tariffs to ensure consumer items cost 10-25% more.

Issue: The U.S. is facing a $36 trillion budget deficit and a third of expenses are just covering the interest on debt.
Solution: Propose a new budget with austerity measures offset by generous tax cuts for the wealthy to increase the federal deficit by $2.5 trillion in Trump's first month of office.

Is it really a surprise why some of us are completely cynical?

I think this Brazilian perhaps put it best...

 
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Mokku

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Apr 17, 2019
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Israel has blocked humanitarian aid into Gaza unless the still secret "US proposal" is met. I don't see how the US will back both Russia and Israel and now that Europe is awake to Russia, the US has to fully commit. Let's not kid ourselves, the US is Israel all the way, but how will it work when you've become Putin's bitch?

Is the US going to plow more weapons and cash into the Gaza war and somehow rescue the US economy? Was the Ukraine minerals deal Trump's only idea? I don't see how this won't be a disaster for America. The UK has just pledged £2.2bn to Ukraine, others will follow, I can't make sense of it.
 
Jun 16, 2020
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yes, but not only this. canadians have started boycotting american goods. when you go to grocery stores, they have labels on shelves where canadian made items are so people can pick them over american ones. things are that being imported from usa are not selling as well as 40 days ago

and this is before the tariffs have fully started yet.

canadians are pissed off
Its happening here a bit aswel.

We should embargo the US, build our military and annex them when we're ready.

 

s4tch

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Mar 23, 2015
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Its happening here a bit aswel.

We should embargo the US, build our military and annex them when we're ready.

out of those murican products, i only buy coca cola and use gillette. coke zero is my only source of coffeine lol

problem is the services. i could live without meta (fb/insta), most of microsoft (save for my work stuff that uses microsoft 365 and forza games lol), cisco, netflix, prime, max and stuff, but i'm way too deep into the google ecosystem. i use one of my gmail accounts to access many other registration related services, and i use google photos, keep, calendar, chrome and youtube on a daily basis. i could get rid of windows at home but steam is murican too

i really hope that murica wakes up. supporting a president that has a soft spot for genocidal dictators isn't sustainable. i always was a kinda optimist/naive guy and i expected the best from most people, so is still think that they must have some decency left, right? right?!
 

Kopanja

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Jul 30, 2015
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It’s not about waking up and decency. Plenty decent muricans. Trump might be Sulla, not in a literal sense of course. Sulla was competent general etc. But in terms of effect.
 

s4tch

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Mar 23, 2015
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It’s not about waking up and decency. Plenty decent muricans. Trump might be Sulla, not in a literal sense of course. Sulla was competent general etc. But in terms of effect.
believe me, it's about decency too. once the people wake up and put enough pressure on trump and his gang, once they start invading tesla dealerships and decorating them like an ss headquarter would look like in 2025, once they stop consuming brain washing russian propaganda from their spineless influencers, once they tell jd vance to go skiing to russia instead of vermont...

and some of that is already happening. i hope it reaches a point where it's either the army against his own people or his own people for trump. and then he lost his power either way

anyway, let's see how this works out


 

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