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Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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This is based on what exactly? Your dislike of trump? Whose rights are being taken?the fact of the matter is over 70 million people who actually live here seem to think the very opposite of what you said, and TBH that's all that really matters.
Have you listened to anything Trump has said?

You, and those 70 million people, seem to be banking on him not delivering on his promises.

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Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,315
This is the major issue that the left is facing worldwide. They have lost the working class and to an extent some socialist values, in their actions (especially in America) they moved so far left on things that they come of as authoritarian and the right then in response becomes somewhat more liberal in its discourse. It's all very bizzarre. The left is seen as the establishment, which is the complete opposite of what it was at least here in Australia as little as 15 years ago.

They spent too much time trying to appease a minority and alienated a lot of people. No one even talks of policy anymore (U.S) and it's all focused on identity politics which turns people away that don't agree. Not to mention a loud minority that will then label people if they don't completely agree with all of it. The right has become a safer space to express opinions which is insane to think about.

They also lazily rely on ticking boxes for canditates where if you can see through it you realise that it's just lazy and hard to identify with.

I am also a left voter, in Aus it is a bit different as it's not as much about the cult of personality that the US is.
All of that is true.

Another thing I've been thinking about is that the lives of young men actually really have become worse over the recent years. We keep denying this reality, but it's true. I can see it just by looking out of my office and see which new interns we get. They're almost exclusively women. When you look at colleges in Europe (but I'm pretty sure it's true in the US too) the vast majority of students are now women.

This isn't an argument against women. It's great that they are now able to attend colleges in mass numbers.

But the world is shifting for young men. They are outeducated and outearned by women. And rather than look at why that is or take measures to improve those aspects for men, the left calls them sexual predators and yaps away about LGBTQ+ rights and how bad life is for women.

I can see why men don't want to vote for that.
 
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Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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All of that is true.

Another thing I've been thinking about is that the lives of young men actually really have become worse over the recent years. We keep denying this reality, but it's true. I can see it just by looking out of my office and see which new interns we get. They're almost exclusively women. When you look at colleges in Europe (but I'm pretty sure it's true in the US too) the vast majority of students are now women.

This isn't an argument against women. It's great that they are now able to attend colleges in mass numbers.

But the world is shifting for young men. They are outeducated and outearned by women. And rather than look at why that is or take measures to improve those aspects for men, the left calls them sexual predators and yaps away about LGBTQ+ rights and how bad life is for women.

I can see why men don't want to vote for that.
There’s multiple articles complaining about and bewildered by the shift of Gen Z men to the right. No shit they are shifting right when they are constantly attacked by the progressive coalition for the crime of just existing. But that was always the danger of the left leaning far too heavily into DEI and all the intersectionality nonsense.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
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There’s multiple articles complaining about and bewildered by the shift of Gen Z men to the right. No shit they are shifting right when they are constantly attacked by the progressive coalition for the crime of just existing. But that was always the danger of the left leaning far too heavily into DEI and all the intersectionality nonsense.
Exactly.

Even the abortion argument was used disingenuously. They keep saying it revolves around sexual freedom. But women don't really need abortion to be sexually free. First of all they have the choice whether or not to have sex. Then they have the choice to use all sorts of anticonception from condoms to birth control pills.

Now do I think it is a good idea to make abortion possible? Yes, I definitely do.

But please stop saying it is about sexual freedom. That just sounds like you want women to be able to screw around without any consequence. It is way too coarse an argument to make to be convincing. Women too can be accountable for the liberties they take. Just like men always are.
 
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swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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I always find it amusing when people don’t actually listen to what is said by the people they support. Working class folks supporting Elon Musk who claims that he is working towards and that we aren’t far off from AI and robots making most human workers obsolete. Jobs will be optional. This is also the richest guy on the planet supporting a GOP that doesn’t believe in handouts, in welfare, in social programs, and certainly not universal basic income… so how exactly are all the out of work blue collar folks going to survive in this GOP led, AI Robot worker future he envisions?

To be fair, he and most others are absolutely full of shit about how soon this is going to occur… but all the same, talk about an own-goal from the working class lol
Call me an elitist, but I feel less sympathy for the working class when they're whining about our Chinese enemy taking our jobs and buying our farmland when they are surfing Amazon, Walmart, Temu, and Shein to send every US dollar they can to China with everything they buy.

Yeah lotsa people ventured in the middle of covid! Clearly nothing to do with the lack of oversight and the mailed-in ballots
And your proof is?

When I look at data and seek statistical anomalies, what stands out most from that plot is that three different Democrat presidential candidates have the exact same voter turnout when one GOP candidate over 8+ years is all over the map. The question marks should be on that lower dotted line given the ranges just one GOP candidate received.

It's our guy now ;) and I really wish my life was so simple that I would get mad over something someone posts online
That's annoying, but it's not the issue. The challenge is that Trump has a disdain for expertise. He appoints former pro wrestlers to lead his transition team and head up the Small Business Association. There's nothing that will prevent him from giving that to a "pillow entrepreneur" this time.

For all the talk about killing DEI in favor of (and Silicon Valley's worship of) meritocracy, his idea of "merit" is a guy who ran security at his garbage truck publicity stunt becoming his next Secretary of Energy.

That chaos extends to policy whims of the day. Some days they are helpful, like "Why do we need a G-7?"

But most of the time they are either odd and an unfeasible distracition ("Let's buy Greenland", let's inject disinfectant to prevent Covid). Or short-sighted (abruptly pulling US forces out of Syria to let American-allied Kurdish forces fall).

Or sheer lunacy: offering to bribe/pay off an Iranian oil tanker captain not to unload on the dock (playing his amateir hand at hostage negotiation after watching a few episodes of Standoff), rolling back post-2008 financial meltdown banking regulations (yay for later Silicon Valley Bank and almost tanking banking two years ago), "Sharpiegate" in having U.S. meteorologists conform hurricane tracking predictions to cover for his own personal ignorance, etc.

That chaos costs the country more than just mean tweets. And it's only going to get worse with his mental decline.
 
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s4tch

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...First of all they have the choice whether or not to have sex. ...
rape victims beg to differ

anyway... it's a lost cause. when you can win a campaign full of misinformation, led by a literal criminal, facts or arguments are useless. we must face that politics became 1-bit sentiment based impulse driven choices that have nothing to do with rationality. in a rational world trump would be in jail and wouldn't be allowed to run to begin with
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,315
rape victims beg to differ

anyway... it's a lost cause. when you can win a campaign full of misinformation, led by a literal criminal, facts or arguments are useless. we must face that politics became 1-bit sentiment based impulse driven choices that have nothing to do with rationality. in a rational world trump would be in jail and wouldn't be allowed to run to begin with
Which, again, is why abortion is not about sexual freedom.

The right to abortion is important.

Perhaps it's dumb then to make the argument that Katie needs to be able to fuck her entire neighbourhood. Katie can use her mouth.
 
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rape victims beg to differ

anyway... it's a lost cause. when you can win a campaign full of misinformation, led by a literal criminal, facts or arguments are useless. we must face that politics became 1-bit sentiment based impulse driven choices that have nothing to do with rationality. in a rational world trump would be in jail and wouldn't be allowed to run to begin with
Arent his abortion ideas pretty normal?
 

Badass J Elkann

It's time to go!!
Feb 12, 2006
68,899
List of people that will be leaving the country because of a Trump victory.

1. Alec Baldwin
2. Whoopi Goldberg
3. John Legend
4. Chrissy Teigen
5. Rob Reiner
6. Barbara Streisand
7. Cher
8. Nancy Pelosi
9. Hillary Clinton
10. Megan Rapinoe
11. Tom Hanks
12. Amy Schumer
13. AOC
14. Lady Gaga
15. Taylor Swift
16. Bill Gates
17. Jane Fonda
18. Madonna
19. Mark Ruffalo
20. Kim Kardashian
21. Bruce Springsteen
22. George Clooney
23. Hunter Biden
24. Oprah
25. Robert De Niro
26. Samuel L Jackson
27. Miley Cyrus
28. Travis Kelce
29. Bobbi Althoff
30. Rashida Talib
31. Stormy Daniels
32. Dr. Anthony Fauci
33. George Soros
34. Diddy
35. Eminem
36. Ellen DeGeneres
37. Sean Penn
38. Sharon Stone
39. Ashley Judd
40. Tommy Lee
41. Bryan Cranston
42. Billie Joe Armstrong

Bonus
Cher will blow her brains out
Rob Reiner will set himself on fire
Bono vows to drive his car off a cliff


Any statement from these people? I'm waiting their post of goodbyes to US buying a home in Canada or Europe and never set foot in US till Trump is president!
Damn my pop corns might run out.
Hopefully USA will keep Piers Morgan though
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,315
Hopefully USA will keep Piers Morgan though
I hope Trump does what he said he'll do:

- A pardon for himself for any past (and most likely future) crimes.

- No more elections.

- Mass deportations.

- No more vaccines.

- Massive tariffs on all imported goods.

- A weaker dollar.

- Punishment for all those who dare to oppose him.

All of this needs to happen. Preferably as soon as he is sworn in. No time to waste.
 

Badass J Elkann

It's time to go!!
Feb 12, 2006
68,899
I hope Trump does what he said he'll do:

- A pardon for himself for any past (and most likely future) crimes.

- No more elections.

- Mass deportations.

- No more vaccines.

- Massive tariffs on all imported goods.

- A weaker dollar.

- Punishment for all those who dare to oppose him.

All of this needs to happen. Preferably as soon as he is sworn in. No time to waste.
Ummm why?
 

Badass J Elkann

It's time to go!!
Feb 12, 2006
68,899
Because it is what America voted for.

I'm a firm believer in giving the people what they want.
I agree, unfortunately we have a similar situation here in the UK where people wanted and voted for change and now it's a shit tonne worse than what it was, but unfortunately whilst I didn't vote for that government we are stuck with it because the people voted for that without really thinking about it. Same with America, unfortunately my fears about America is not the domestic policies, it's what impact Trump will have abroad, whilst he will treat his governance like a fascist dictatorship which for me is scary. It's sad to think that whilst we learn alot about past dictators and how we should learn from our past, yet here we are looking like history is about to repeat itself, and what's worse is that it'll be spearheaded by America.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,315
I agree, unfortunately we have a similar situation here in the UK where people wanted and voted for change and now it's a shit tonne worse than what it was, but unfortunately whilst I didn't vote for that government we are stuck with it because the people voted for that without really thinking about it. Same with America, unfortunately my fears about America is not the domestic policies, it's what impact Trump will have abroad, whilst he will treat his governance like a fascist dictatorship which for me is scary. It's sad to think that whilst we learn alot about past dictators and how we should learn from our past, yet here we are looking like history is about to repeat itself, and what's worse is that it'll be spearheaded by America.
How is it worse, if you get what you want?

Americans want more expensive goods and a weaker dollar. Let's give it to them.
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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He’s the biggest missed opportunity for Dems, hence why I believe they’re the sole reason they’ve lost to Trump two times in a row.
I think respect for non-college males is a cute theory, but nobody meaningfully gets elected president on that policy.

More to the point: people hate the price increases with Covid-triggered inflation experienced around the world, and someone's head has to roll. That would explain most of this election.

Immigration even comes a distant second to that.
 

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