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[U Picciriddu]

Trump would have let Putin roll over Ukraine without a second thought if he was re-elected. Lol that Trump was going to stop Putin invading Ukraine. Good joke.

Why would he?

 

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[X Æ A-12]

I could see why someone might say that, trump doesn't appear to be too interested in longterm geopolitical strategy especially things that are risky/ unpopular, but surely Russia was never counting on a trump presidency lasting forever. I don't think a trump re-election would have dissuaded them that much because 4 years later they'll be right back to it

 

[Seven]

Trump would have let Putin roll over Ukraine without a second thought if he was re-elected. Lol that Trump was going to stop Putin invading Ukraine. Good joke.

Trump appears to want to keep the US out of armed conflicts. Which, given the catastrophic events in Iraq and Afghanistan, doesn't seem too bad.

But part of that is also not meddling when other countries engage in warfare. If Russia want to attack Ukraine, it just doesn't concern the US in Trump's mind.

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[U Picciriddu]

I don’t follow all the candidates but is anyone advocating to stop the war or is are they more pointed towards more aid?

 

[JuveJay]

Trump was the first to approve "lethal aid" to Ukraine and sanctioned Nord Stream. He also expanded the drone program in Somalia, Yemen, Syria, Iraq and the number of strikes compared to Dronebama, continued to arm Saudis against Yemen and vetoed any arms embargo, pulled out of the INF treaty, pulled out of the Iran nuclear deal, assassinated Soleimani and threatened strikes in Iran proper, pushed for regime change and military intervention in Venezuela including that botched merc op to oust Maduro, continued the bipartisan "pivot to Asia" strategy and greatly increased hostilities with China, brought in sanctions on those states and others (including ICC investigators looking into war crimes in Afghanistan), recognized Israel's annexation of Golan Heights and moved the US embassy to Jerusalem, and appointed sociopath neocon John Bolton as national security advisor and Pompeo as director of CIA. It's incredible people still think he's even remotely anti-war/anti-imperialist.

But he met Kim Jong-un that time and prevented Best Korea destroying the West with their very stable nukes.

 

[Ronn]

I don’t follow all the candidates but is anyone advocating to stop the war or is are they more pointed towards more aid?

Trump and Vivek ramaswamy both have criticized the war. Being against Ukraine war is somewhat popular with a certain wing in GOP typically associated with likes of Trump and Carlson.
but I wouldn’t call Trump anti-war since he hired the craziest warmonger John Bolton as Nat Sec advisor.

 

[Bjerknes]

Let’s not all start acting like we care about drones now. Fact of the matter is, no major wars kicked off during Trump’s regime. They could have started them if they wanted to. Plenty of other things to criticize him on, but being pro war is a bit absurd.

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Trump and Vivek ramaswamy both have criticized the war. Being against Ukraine war is somewhat popular with a certain wing in GOP typically associated with likes of Trump and Carlson.
but I wouldn’t call Trump anti-war since he hired the craziest warmonger John Bolton as Nat Sec advisor.

He was at odds with Bolton the whole time.

 

[X Æ A-12]

Trump and Vivek ramaswamy both have criticized the war. Being against Ukraine war is somewhat popular with a certain wing in GOP typically associated with likes of Trump and Carlson.
but I wouldn’t call Trump anti-war since he hired the craziest warmonger John Bolton as Nat Sec advisor.

i feel like de santis pretends to take that position but he's far too estabilishment to follow through on that

 

[Ronn]

Let’s not all start acting like we care about drones now. Fact of the matter is, no major wars kicked off during Trump’s regime. They could have started them if they wanted to. Plenty of other things to criticize him on, but being pro war is a bit absurd.

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He was at odds with Bolton the whole time.

Yet he kept his job for 15 months. You can’t be anti-war and even have a coffee with Bolton.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

I've still yet to hear an explanation anywhere as to why Putin wouldn't have invaded Ukraine if Trump was President, I just keep seeing that repeated instead.

 

[Enron]

I've still yet to hear an explanation anywhere as to why Putin wouldn't have invaded Ukraine if Trump was President, I just keep seeing that repeated instead.

because trump is a 6’3 215 lb Adonis

 

[X Æ A-12]

because trump is a 6’3 215 lb Adonis

say what you want about Putin but he still respects an alpha beast with a monster cock

 

[Enron]

Who doesn’t? No move wants that smoke

 

[Fab Fragment]

A humble diet of KFC, ketchup and Diet Coke = honesty + humbleness

 

[Post Ironic]

Let’s not all start acting like we care about drones now. Fact of the matter is, no major wars kicked off during Trump’s regime. They could have started them if they wanted to. Plenty of other things to criticize him on, but being pro war is a bit absurd.

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He was at odds with Bolton the whole time.

And Bolton absolutely hates Trump now.

I wouldn’t call Trump pro-war at all, at least not in the starting war sort of sense.

However, it’s absolute rubbish to think Putin wouldn’t have invaded Ukraine at some point between 2020-2024 if Trump had been elected. He would have. It’s been coming since Crimea. And it’s likely the US would have been far less supportive of Ukraine in their struggle against with a Trump/MAGA government. I think Putin likely has a much better position in Ukraine right now, if not conquered it mostly aside from partisan warfare if Trump was still president. Still doesn’t make Trump pro-starting wars in the Bush-Obama way. But it would make him a beta scumbag to allow Russia to have a free go of it.

US and Europe have done pretty well in Ukraine in terms of arming them to the teeth and advising them in ways that allow them to be successful while avoiding NATO getting in a shooting war with Russia.

Of course, it sucks for Ukraine that NATO won’t just roll over Russia and drive them out (like they obviously could easily), but the possibility of Nuclear war makes that a far-fetched scenario.

 

[s4tch]

look, an idiot:

"To that end, I will accept Russian control of the occupied territories and pledge to block Ukraine’s candidacy for NATO in exchange for Russia exiting its military alliance with China"

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/a-viable-realism-and-revival-doctrine/

is there a chance that republicans come up with a decent candidate, or all of them are lost causes for different reasons?

 

[ALC]

look, an idiot:

"To that end, I will accept Russian control of the occupied territories and pledge to block Ukraine’s candidacy for NATO in exchange for Russia exiting its military alliance with China"

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/a-viable-realism-and-revival-doctrine/

is there a chance that republicans come up with a decent candidate, or all of them are lost causes for different reasons?

vivek is a scummy scam artist, don’t get the hype

 

[JuveJay]

look, an idiot:

"To that end, I will accept Russian control of the occupied territories and pledge to block Ukraine’s candidacy for NATO in exchange for Russia exiting its military alliance with China"

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/a-viable-realism-and-revival-doctrine/

is there a chance that republicans come up with a decent candidate, or all of them are lost causes for different reasons?

tl;dr version:

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

If there's one thing I trust, it's Putin to uphold an agreement

 

[Seven]

If there's one thing I trust, it's Putin to uphold an agreement

You know what? He does strike me as trustworthy bloke.