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[Seven]

Hows your knowledge on human trials ?

I know you're going to say they tested everything and essentially it builds on previous vaccines anyway so it should be safe.

But the thing is the Pfizer vaccine should be quite revolutionary and trials can only tell you so much. As someone who is not at much risk, I don't really want to be the first to get it.

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[swag]

That's not so strange.
In 2016, Trump won Wisconsin by 23k, but the Republicans won the Senate elections by 100k. Around 3m people voted both for president and Senate, from which I can conclude that many who voted Republican, did not vote for the Republican presidential candidate.
Since the Republican candidate in 2020 was an extremely controversial president of the USA, I can only assume that even more people who vote Republican decided not to vote for Trump. The difference between President/Senate votes in Wisconsin for the Republicans in 2016 was 77K and now it's 110k. Not a huge difference considering everything about Trump in the last 4 years.

I was under the impression that many Americans tend to vote for one party in the Senate and for the other party's candidate in the presidential elections. Am I wrong?

This is a phenomenon I have anecdotally observed throughout elections all of my life. And that is a tendency towards what I will call "electoral diffusion", or the avoidance of party concentration. When presidential votes lean one way, you often see voting habits lean more in the opposite direction for congressional elections. Taking a wild guess, I would gander that the voting public is leery of any one party getting too much power, so they tend to hedge their bets. You might also infer that there is a little motivation reaction that happens too: much like Serie A, leaders can get complacent and the contenders are more motivated to topple them in the polls.

I am not sure I would characterize Americans normally voting one way for the Senate and the other for president, but you're probably not too far off. There's also a tendency for Americans to vote for Democratic mayors in urban areas and Republican governors at the state level.

Did anyone hear about the Million MAGA March

I saw lots of pancakes.

Dismissing scientific polling on social issues is quite ignorant. It's a widely used method in social sciences because there's quite a lot of value in actually knowing how the population feels. Of course it's also important to understand why they feel that way (you can use polling for this as well or simply look at the quantitative data). Those polling numbers would likely be much worse today as well thanks to recent high profile police brutality cases. Below more on that if you're interested.

https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7331505/
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01846-z

Polls do serve a purpose, even if they ultimately influence the very elections they are supposed to report on without bias. What seems interesting in polls today is that we have a stronger alignment than before between party affiliation and poll responsiveness. Normally those are more independent variables that now seem highly dependent.

This guy just won't stop violating his own rules. Will it ever end?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/california-governor-went-party-violated-204247473.html

I touched on that above... in regards to the ruling class losing touch with the ruled.

I also touched on the observation that the strongest outrage about these brain-dead incidents (and really, the dude was brain dead on that) seems to come from more conservative circles, creating a kind of cancel culture of the Right -- which I find amusingly ironic.

 

[Zacheryah]

Not that deep.

I would like you to enlighten me (srs).

I know you're going to say they tested everything and essentially it builds on previous vaccines anyway so it should be safe.

But the thing is the Pfizer vaccine should be quite revolutionary and trials can only tell you so much. As someone who is not at much risk, I don't really want to be the first to get it.

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Wel you both have a very legit concern, because one element is missing.

Human trials normally go trough several stages. Smaller group and enlarging from there. You need a pretty large test population including pre-existing conditions, always statistically relevant.

Now, for Covid because an absurd amount of cash and cash promises was trown at it, the testing populations where incredibly large and like Seven says, there are previous vaccins on which its based, its not like medication. The systematic effects (chemicals go trough several parts of the body and can get altered on the way or do unexpected things. Viagra was supposed to assist in low oxygen enviroments, the erection was an unforeseen side effect).

Now because the population was absolutely gigantic, pretty much all groups and conditions have been covered.


Except time.

In the 70ties, there was the softenon catastrophy. Softenon was a medicin for pregnant woman that aids with the majority of early pregnancy nuisance.
however, softenon is a racemix mix. It contains 2 stereoisomers. the active ingredient and its mirrored one. The stereo isomer, however, caused severe birth defects causing a very large amount of miscarriages.

How did this happen ?
1) not tested on pregnant whoman (covid covers all groups)
2) not tested long enough to see this actual side effect



Covid however is a vaccene. The chances of a time effected side effect is incredibly small, since its an evolution/adaptation from previous vaccins, with normally no changes that could worry.

 

[Hust]

I touched on that above... in regards to the ruling class losing touch with the ruled.

Rules for thee, not for me.

Let's not call it "losing touch with" and call it for what it really is. Leaders in that party know exactly what they are doing. Newsom violated his own rules. DC Mayor Bowser went to Biden's party in Delaware after the election and called it "essential travel to advance the interests of DC". Lori Lightfoot in Chicago is canceling thanksgiving where families can get together in some kind of peace in a city that has skyrocketing murder rates but she will sneak out and get her hair done because she is a "public figure". Pelosi and the hair salon fiasco.

Really. No standards at all for those but you better damn well believe they are going to force standards on everyone else.

 

[swag]

Rules for thee, not for me.

Let's not call it "losing touch with" and call it for what it really is. Leaders in that party know exactly what they are doing. Newsom violated his own rules. DC Mayor Bowser went to Biden's party in Delaware after the election and called it "essential travel to advance the interests of DC". Lori Lightfoot in Chicago is canceling thanksgiving where families can get together in some kind of peace in a city that has skyrocketing murder rates but she will sneak out and get her hair done because she is a "public figure". Pelosi and the hair salon fiasco.

Really. No standards at all for those but you better damn well believe they are going to force standards on everyone else.

But what happened to the Republican party being the party about leaving people alone and giving them the freedom to make personal decisions? Without judgment or censure?

This is what I see the US right has in common with cancel culture, and yet they seem oblivious.

It's not like anybody holds Trump to standards that everyone else has to abide by. Hell, Mitch McConnell proved with Amy Coney Barrett that he doesn't have to live up to his own standards for himself just four years ago.

 

[ALC]

Wel you both have a very legit concern, because one element is missing.

Human trials normally go trough several stages. Smaller group and enlarging from there. You need a pretty large test population including pre-existing conditions, always statistically relevant.

Now, for Covid because an absurd amount of cash and cash promises was trown at it, the testing populations where incredibly large and like Seven says, there are previous vaccins on which its based, its not like medication. The systematic effects (chemicals go trough several parts of the body and can get altered on the way or do unexpected things. Viagra was supposed to assist in low oxygen enviroments, the erection was an unforeseen side effect).

Now because the population was absolutely gigantic, pretty much all groups and conditions have been covered.


Except time.

In the 70ties, there was the softenon catastrophy. Softenon was a medicin for pregnant woman that aids with the majority of early pregnancy nuisance.
however, softenon is a racemix mix. It contains 2 stereoisomers. the active ingredient and its mirrored one. The stereo isomer, however, caused severe birth defects causing a very large amount of miscarriages.

How did this happen ?
1) not tested on pregnant whoman (covid covers all groups)
2) not tested long enough to see this actual side effect



Covid however is a vaccene. The chances of a time effected side effect is incredibly small, since its an evolution/adaptation from previous vaccins, with normally no changes that could worry.

is softenon the same as thalomid? Women used to take it for morning sickness and ended up birthing flipper babies. Now it’s a medicine used for certain cancers only I think and is super potent.

 

[Osman]

Its simplistic to think its restricted to a political party or ideology. It comes from place of privilige and thinking you are above the citizentry in general with politicians or people in position of power. We having the same nonsense with Swedish politicians here (in particular one party leader here), talking up how everyone needs to do this or that, but then go off throw ragers with their clique. Shit is predictable. Human nature really. Me personally I dont care, if this politician I speak of got the rona in this huge party, thats here dumbass issue.

 

[Seven]

is softenon the same as thalomid? Women used to take it for morning sickness and ended up birthing flipper babies. Now it’s a medicine used for certain cancers only I think and is super potent.

It's the same.

Not sure why he's referring to a drug though.

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[ALC]

It's the same.

Not sure why he's referring to a drug though.

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yeah, they’re completely different animals

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Its simplistic to think its restricted to a political party or ideology. It comes from place of privilige and thinking you are above the citizentry in general with politicians or people in position of power. We having the same nonsense with Swedish politicians here (in particular one party leader here), talking up how everyone needs to do this or that, but then go off throw ragers with their clique. Shit is predictable. Human nature really. Me personally I dont care, if this politician I speak of got the rona in this huge party, thats here dumbass issue.

yeah Donald Trump and republicans are even worse at the rules for thee and not for me. The entire White House got infected with corona for not following any sort of distancing protocol, it’s weird that hust sees that as so one sided

 

[Hust]

But what happened to the Republican party being the party about leaving people alone and giving them the freedom to make personal decisions? Without judgment or censure?

This is what I see the US right has in common with cancel culture, and yet they seem oblivious.

It's not like anybody holds Trump to standards that everyone else has to abide by. Hell, Mitch McConnell proved with Amy Coney Barrett that he doesn't have to live up to his own standards for himself just four years ago.

Cancel culture is ridiculous regardless who it is. You can't deny it rears its ugly head MUCH more often on the liberal side of things, be it Hollywood, these insane lists that people like AOC or others like her want, etc.

 

[swag]

Cancel culture is ridiculous regardless who it is. You can't deny it rears its ugly head MUCH more often on the liberal side of things, be it Hollywood, these insane lists that people like AOC or others like her want, etc.

I hate it. But I call it out when I see people practicing it while professing to hate it too.

 

[Hust]

yeah, they’re completely different animals

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yeah Donald Trump and republicans are even worse at the rules for thee and not for me. The entire White House got infected with corona for not following any sort of distancing protocol, it’s weird that hust sees that as so one sided

Its not one sided, but its certainly very lopsided.

 

[ALC]

Its not one sided, but its certainly very lopsided.

it depends on what news you follow

 

[Hust]

I hate it. But I call it out when I see people practicing it while professing to hate it too.

The left has created this fear that if you're conservative you better shut up b/c you will be blacklisted, prevented from getting hired for jobs, or fired, etc. They did it with Hollywood celebrities, they moved to media people by trying to get their funding pulled, now they have moved from people with a voice and platform to normal people like myself. I worked at the White House for a year. Should I be looking over my shoulder now? Should I be afraid of being outed/doxed and people show up to my house and threaten me? Or is that simply all an idea?

 

[swag]

The left has created this fear that if you're conservative you better shut up b/c you will be blacklisted, prevented from getting hired for jobs, or fired, etc. They did it with Hollywood celebrities, they moved to media people by trying to get their funding pulled, now they have moved from people with a voice and platform to normal people like myself. I worked at the White House for a year. Should I be looking over my shoulder now? Should I be afraid of being outed/doxed and people show up to my house and threaten me? Or is that simply all an idea?

Well, you're conflating "conservative" with "insensitive to identity politics trivia", but I get it.

Though if you wanna talk about creating fear, you know who did it to Hollywood celebrities first and better, btw? The House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC). Good times.

 

[Hust]

Well, you're conflating "conservative" with "insensitive to identity politics trivia", but I get it.

Though if you wanna talk about creating fear, you know who did it to Hollywood celebrities first and better, btw? The House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC). Good times.

Isn't that when they looked at everyone to find hiding communists in the House?

 

[swag]

Isn't that when they looked at everyone to find hiding communists in the House?

It started with some well-intended controls for commie sympathizers in Hollywood and the media. But it evolved into a witch-hunt and the Hollywood Blacklist.

 

[Hust]

It started with some well-intended controls for commie sympathizers in Hollywood and the media. But it evolved into a witch-hunt and the Hollywood Blacklist.

So what you're saying is...that had escalated quickly?

 

[radekas]

this guy

 

[Zacheryah]

is softenon the same as thalomid? Women used to take it for morning sickness and ended up birthing flipper babies. Now it’s a medicine used for certain cancers only I think and is super potent.

yeah, the same.

But you better dont have a featus

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Note : with current techniques, the R oriented enantiomer is >99% pure. Yet still forbidden for pregnant women (obviously), and as a male you have to be on some kind of birth controll