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Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
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Debatable who's the party gunning for this.
Nah. If you followed American politics since post Bush Sr, you’d know very well the answer to that. Gingrich, Limbaugh, and other such Republicans of that era (which is by no means all of them) are directly responsible for the current absurd level of partisan hatred in the US. Those guys even take pride in having created this current political climate, where the opposition are all treasonous and traitors against ‘murica. There’s not a chance civil discourse, no bi-partisanship possible when you call the other side traitors, anti-American, and criminals.

And of course the democrats have just joined in the fun, and helped push it beyond the pale over the last decade, but Trump with his rhetoric, his lies, his claims of rigged elections, his threats of locking up all his political opponents and journalists is the obvious straw that is breaking the camel’s back.

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So are you blaming trump for deaths of Covid?
Of course not exclusively. As I said, it’s a joke. But his admin’s response and lies have certainly made it so more Americans have died than needed to.

Anyways, I’m a fan of population control, so I should actually be grateful. Too many people on this planet.
 

Snobist

DareDevil
Apr 16, 2017
13,287
Nah. If you followed American politics since post Bush Sr, you’d know very well the answer to that. Gingrich, Limbaugh, and other such Republicans of that era (which is by no means all of them) are directly responsible for the current absurd level of partisan hatred in the US. Those guys even take pride in having created this current political climate, where the opposition are all treasonous and traitors against ‘murica. There’s not a chance civil discourse, no bi-partisanship possible when you call the other side traitors, anti-American, and criminals.

And of course the democrats have just joined in the fun, and helped push it beyond the pale over the last decade, but Trump with his rhetoric, his lies, his claims of rigged elections, his threats of locking up all his political opponents and journalists is the obvious straw that is breaking the camel’s back.

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Of course not exclusively. As I said, it’s a joke. But his admin’s response and lies have certainly made it so more Americans have died than needed to.

Anyways, I’m a fan of population control, so I should actually be grateful. Too many people on this planet.
Lol, those who think there are too many people in this planet can leave and help their cause.
 

Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
Either that or I´m just overestimating a guy like Lebron´s influence.
Well, all of Hollywood, the media, and many powerful athletes were vocal for Hillary and she still got smoked.

that should tell you all you need to know about the silent majority in the US. Same reason TV viewership for sports has plummeted. People don’t give a shit what Hollywood or Lebron think.
 

ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
46,540
Rather than thinking in Dem/Rep dimensions it's smarter to think in unilateral/bilateral terms when it comes to politicians. Obama/Bush were the same breed of bilateral warlord imperialists, separated by color yet united in cause. That helped everybody in the world except American people. With Trump you have a businessman who views America as his company and primarily negotiates deals that end up significantly more in favour of the US than the previous ones. He negotiates out of a position of strength and confidence while his predecessors sacrificed the needs of his country for international recognition. You don't deserve Trump. What you apparently deserve and want is your loved ones dead in the Iranian wasteland while your president Harris is praised by EU media for using a rainbow avatar on social media.
thats funny because trump is notoriously bad at running business. He has multiple bankruptcies, works with pyramid MLM schemes, and has owes money all over the world. This is the guy that made casinos go bankrupt, the places where the house always wins.

so if he’s running America like one of his businesses, thank you but we don’t want none of that
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
Trump yesterday: We’ve rounded the corner on COVID.

COVID today: record number of new cases for the entire pandemic, first time over 80,000. 14 states set new case records.

8 states set hospitalizations records today. And 38 states have average Covid hospitalizations increasing over the past week. Hospitalizations up over 33% in October, thus far.

It’s all good, baby. :weee:
 
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Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,237
I agree with you that the cultural differences influence the political landscapes as well. Trump nor Biden would be anywhere close to potential candidates here in Norway, but again, cultural differences.

I´m a sports guy, and I found one incident in the 2016 US elections interesting. Lebron James, who is a godlike figure in Ohio, campaigned heavily for Hillary Clinton. But Trump actually won the state of Ohio. I think that speaks volumes of the silent white majority we´ve discussed. Either that or I´m just overestimating a guy like Lebron´s influence.
I think there are different types of sports fans who take their love for athletes to different levels. Some probably worship Lebron and go out of their way to buy Blaze Pizza, while others might just want him to shut up and dribble because that's his job. Personally, I don't care about the dribbling and hope he just shuts the fuck up.

If you have ever read through my posts in the past, you will notice that I am strongly anti-war. Its criminal that we wasted $6-8 trillion on the wars when that money could have been spent over here. I always supported Ron Paul even though some of his policies were questionable.

Having said this, due you truly believe that Trump cares about anyone but himself?
I'll give him that he hasn’t started a major war, apart from arming the Saudi's and UAE to the teeth to destroy Yemen.
But, how about withdrawing troops from Afghanistan and the Middle East for a start. When Obama tried to do so, all hell broke loose within the GOP (except my favorite Ron Paul) that Obama was a wimp etc. At the same time, I feel that Obama is responsible for the murder of Syrians and Libyans.

Trump has lied and continues to lie.
He said he was going to get rid of restrictive regulations. I was really excited when he took office. What a joke that turned out to be. At least in health care, things have markedly worsened as regards regulations.
Trumps example is akin to a doctor who sees a new patient who is on the wrong medicine from his previous doctor but does nothing to correct it.

And no we don’t need to go anywhere near Iran. We need to get out of ALL foreign wars.

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I still don’t understand why we have to die for others. Everyone needs to fight their own wars.
Good on you for liking Ron Paul. And since you like Ron Paul, you can see through the nonsense from both parties, especially when it comes to war rhetoric. Both are one of the same, and even though Trump hasn't really popped off any more wars, I'm sure he's constantly being pressured to do so.

But with respect to the regulations you mention - what are you referring to, exactly? Also, I think Trump uses the Iran saber-rattling to deter them from attacking bases/areas he wants to vacate while at the same time help prop up the price of oil, the latter being relatively stupid.


Debatable who's the party gunning for this. Both sides doing a great job gunning for it, and so does the media.
:tup:

Nah. If you followed American politics since post Bush Sr, you’d know very well the answer to that. Gingrich, Limbaugh, and other such Republicans of that era (which is by no means all of them) are directly responsible for the current absurd level of partisan hatred in the US. Those guys even take pride in having created this current political climate, where the opposition are all treasonous and traitors against ‘murica. There’s not a chance civil discourse, no bi-partisanship possible when you call the other side traitors, anti-American, and criminals.

And of course the democrats have just joined in the fun, and helped push it beyond the pale over the last decade, but Trump with his rhetoric, his lies, his claims of rigged elections, his threats of locking up all his political opponents and journalists is the obvious straw that is breaking the camel’s back.

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Of course not exclusively. As I said, it’s a joke. But his admin’s response and lies have certainly made it so more Americans have died than needed to.

Anyways, I’m a fan of population control, so I should actually be grateful. Too many people on this planet.
But you're talking about the divide between Republicans and Democrats in terms of nonsensical politik. Those parties have always done that. The bigger issue that consumes our lives, right now, is the constant pressure to divide the races, which is something that obviously does NOT benefit Republicans, which is why this supposed issue is always promoted by the left because without it they have nothing to stand upon. There's no "motive" for the Republicans to push a race war when they already are losing a shit ton of votes because everyone thinks they're all "racists". You always fail to provide context to your claims because there isn't any, especially considering Trump has already done a shit ton for the black community, obviously above expectations for such a terrible racist.

Lol, those who think there are too many people in this planet can leave and help their cause.
:tup:

YES! By all means, these people need to kill themselves right now! We need a new Dr. Kevorkian for these 'tards.

thats funny because trump is notoriously bad at running business. He has multiple bankruptcies, works with pyramid MLM schemes, and has owes money all over the world. This is the guy that made casinos go bankrupt, the places where the house always wins.

so if he’s running America like one of his businesses, thank you but we don’t want none of that
:lol:

I love how people who have no clue about business love to talk shit about others for it. Trump's a billionaire, of course some business ventures went under. This is the price you pay for taking on risk.

One thing we really need to get rid off is PNAC. Evil.
Anything else you want to get rid of, or is that the only entity worth ending?

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Trump yesterday: We’ve rounded the corner on COVID.

COVID today: record number of new cases for the entire pandemic, first time over 80,000. 14 states set new case records.

8 states set hospitalizations records today. And 38 states have average Covid hospitalizations increasing over the past week. Hospitalizations up over 33% in October, thus far.

It’s all good, baby. :weee:
What corner? :lol:

 
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campionesidd

Senior Member
Mar 16, 2013
16,853
Trump yesterday: We’ve rounded the corner on COVID.

COVID today: record number of new cases for the entire pandemic, first time over 80,000. 14 states set new case records.

8 states set hospitalizations records today. And 38 states have average Covid hospitalizations increasing over the past week. Hospitalizations up over 33% in October, thus far.

It’s all good, baby. :weee:
I remember how the cheeto criticized New Zealand when they had a new 'wave' of 5 daily cases.
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
I think there are different types of sports fans who take their love for athletes to different levels. Some probably worship Lebron and go out of their way to buy Blaze Pizza, while others might just want him to shut up and dribble because that's his job. Personally, I don't care about the dribbling and hope he just shuts the fuck up.



Good on you for liking Ron Paul. And since you like Ron Paul, you can see through the nonsense from both parties, especially when it comes to war rhetoric. Both are one of the same, and even though Trump hasn't really popped off any more wars, I'm sure he's constantly being pressured to do so.

But with respect to the regulations you mention - what are you referring to, exactly? Also, I think Trump uses the Iran saber-rattling to deter them from attacking bases/areas he wants to vacate while at the same time help prop up the price of oil, the latter being relatively stupid.




:tup:



But you're talking about the divide between Republicans and Democrats in terms of nonsensical politik. Those parties have always done that. The bigger issue that consumes our lives, right now, is the constant pressure to divide the races, which is something that obviously does NOT benefit Republicans, which is why this supposed issue is always promoted by the left because without it they have nothing to stand upon. There's no "motive" for the Republicans to push a race war when they already are losing a shit ton of votes because everyone thinks they're all "racists". You always fail to provide context to your claims because there isn't any, especially considering Trump has already done a shit ton for the black community, obviously above expectations for such a terrible racist.



:tup:

YES! By all means, these people need to kill themselves right now! We need a new Dr. Kevorkian for these 'tards.



:lol:

I love how people who have no clue about business love to talk shit about others for it. Trump's a billionaire, of course some business ventures went under. This is the price you pay for taking on risk.



Anything else you want to get rid of, or is that the only entity worth ending?

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What corner? :lol:

Zero hedge :lol:

But but but... “Obama won’t cede power and is getting FEMA camps ready for everyone against him.”

Your delusions are delightful. What a boring little Trump-ist you are. Have fun in your cult. :baus:
 

campionesidd

Senior Member
Mar 16, 2013
16,853
Care to articulate why you think Biden won the debate last night?
I don't think he won to be honest. He did just enough to hold on to the people who were already voting for him. He did mess up slightly on energy- I am all for renewables, but I realize that a lot of people still depend on the fossil fuel industry.
I don't think Trump did great either- he was more restrained than the first debate, but he did not lay out a single policy. Not one.
Overall I think it was a wash. Trump fans think he won, Biden fans think the opposite.
For the most part, I don't think it's going to sway opinion in one way or the other.

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Look at the source of the chart. Hilarious if true. :lol:
The numbers look true. 1.15 million out of 7 something billion is about 0.017%.
However, in the US, the percentage is much higher- about 0.06%.
Also, most of the epidemics on this list are over a 100 years old, so this is definitely a once in a century pandemic.
HIV doesn't count because it's going on for over 40 years and isn't an airborne disease.
 
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Jun 6, 2015
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I don't think he won to be honest. He did just enough to hold on to the people who were already voting for him. He did mess up slightly on energy- I am all for renewables, but I realize that a lot of people still depend on the fossil fuel industry.
I don't think Trump did great either- he was more restrained than the first debate, but he did not lay out a single policy. Not one.
Overall I think it was a wash. Trump fans think he won, Biden fans think the opposite.
For the most part, I don't think it's going to sway opinion in one way or the other.
Spot on. I personally find these who won this and that debate discussions quite pointless. People will mostly look at these debates through partisan-coloured lenses and pick the "winner" accordingly unless there's a bigger moment that really goes sour for one of the candidates. In any case I think you need to look the debates in the context of the race. Sometimes just running down the clock can be seen as a win if the lead is already substantial.
 

swag

L'autista
Administrator
Sep 23, 2003
84,790
Clearly Biden won the first debate and Trump won the second. I don't know why this is so hard for people to grasp.
People debating debate winners is a bit like arguing over who won the talent contest on the deck of the Titanic.

I read somewhere that only 4% of black women voted for Trump, and 13% of black men. He did get 1/3 of the total latino vote, which was quite good given all the talk about the wall and immigration. The white vote is still the most significant, nothing wrong in pointing out the obvious.

Anyways I predict that the ongoing race issues still won´t persuade enough white voters to switch sides to Biden. I´m not American, I might be wrong so I´m deferring to the Americans here who can actually vote in this election. Interesting stuff either way.
Thank you, Cuban Americans.

Every election cycle, we hear the same thing: if the Democrats win, socialism will replace your individual freedoms. Your guns will be taken away, etc.
I'm old enough to have never seen this happen.

BTW, anyone remember the Patriot Act? Was it Clinton or Obama who introduced it? Surely, it must have been a nosy democrat who wanted to spy on every Tom, Dick and Harry.
It's better to have your democracy taken away while debating guns, gods, and gays.

Rather than thinking in Dem/Rep dimensions it's smarter to think in unilateral/bilateral terms when it comes to politicians. Obama/Bush were the same breed of bilateral warlord imperialists, separated by color yet united in cause. That helped everybody in the world except American people. With Trump you have a businessman who views America as his company and primarily negotiates deals that end up significantly more in favour of the US than the previous ones. He negotiates out of a position of strength and confidence while his predecessors sacrificed the needs of his country for international recognition. You don't deserve Trump. What you apparently deserve and want is your loved ones dead in the Iranian wasteland while your president Harris is praised by EU media for using a rainbow avatar on social media.
The polarization is a lie to keep you from thinking -- just reacting. This is why we get death wails from people at the Kavanaugh hearings screaming that civilization will come to a halt if that convicted pedophile gets a seat on the Supreme Court. Or screams that Biden is a commie leftist who wants to take away your guns, your health care, and your gas-powered cars.

But if there's any polarity at work in the world today it's not Democrat vs Republican, Left vs Right. It's Open vs Closed. The split is between movements that want to:

a) shut it all down and preserve time, culture, and history like a dead beetle pin-mounted on a museum wall, maintain status quo, lock the doors, and pretend their neighbors died in a fire ... and
b) movements that want to burn down the past but face up to mounting global limits, working within a world that is now defined more by global interconnected issues than isolated ones (late capitalism, globalization, technological disruption, inequality, climate change, mass migration)

There needs to be a balance. a) can be a bit of burying your head in the sand and pretending it all goes away by itself (see: COVID). b) can be a bit of scorched earth, Mao Cultural Revolution that is sometimes too immature to play the game without throwing the board and pieces away because they don't like some of the rules.

The polarization is the lie. Because one without the other is a recipe for extinction.
 

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