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Like a bull in a China shop.
lol POTUS retweeted this
Now here's the thing I don't get. I won't even get into the neutral perspective on this and whether if this happened among pro-democracy protestors in Hong Kong it would be treated differently.
It's more kind of a curious question coming from my own ignorance. Something seems to really bother you and a lot of people out there when there's a relative handful of people in the streets doing stupid crap like setting their feet on fire.
Now hear me out.
It's like it really gets under skin. Like it is designed as a personal offense to someone's well-being and acceptance of the world because some clowns are doing stupid stuff in the streets.
This is what puzzled me about the obsession with CHOP. Which became the obsession with Portland and then Kenosha. It's almost like it's catnip ... like people gripe about it, but they can't get enough of it and cannot look away at the same time.
Because from my perspective, if a group of randos are doing stupid stuff on video, that's called TikTok. I might be annoyed by it, but I don't obsess about it. I don't feel the need to identify and call out every instance, share it on social media with friends, read the media websites that call it out every time and run down on the idiocy, and where I seek the reassurance from others that, "Can you believe what this idiot on TikTok just did with a block of tofu? They are ruining this country!"
If a bunch of Three Percenters do their militia marches with guns in cities, I'll react more in the casual-annoyed vein of John Belushi in The Blues Brothers : i.e., "I hate Illinois Nazis". But I won't follow the media about every incident or all the updates. I just know there are crazies out there different from me.
So really, an honest question that I don't understand ... why is this so offensive and such a deep personal dig -- as many others clearly experience in this example ? This isn't a judgement per se. Lefties get triggered just because someone speaks Chinese and it might sound like a racial slur, so I get it. But I'm just trying to understand what makes what seems like inconsequential street idiocy that doesn't affect 99.999% of anyone's lives so triggering.
Well, everybody is racist. Black people included. So that much I'd agree with.
But the non-human thing is just evil.
All racist lives matter.
lol POTUS retweeted this
It's more kind of a curious question coming from my own ignorance. Something seems to really bother you and a lot of people out there when there's a relative handful of people in the streets doing stupid crap like setting their feet on fire.
Now hear me out.
It's like it really gets under skin. Like it is designed as a personal offense to someone's well-being and acceptance of the world because some clowns are doing stupid stuff in the streets.
This is what puzzled me about the obsession with CHOP. Which became the obsession with Portland and then Kenosha. It's almost like it's catnip ... like people gripe about it, but they can't get enough of it and cannot look away at the same time.
Because from my perspective, if a group of randos are doing stupid stuff on video, that's called TikTok. I might be annoyed by it, but I don't obsess about it. I don't feel the need to identify and call out every instance, share it on social media with friends, read the media websites that call it out every time and run down on the idiocy, and where I seek the reassurance from others that, "Can you believe what this idiot on TikTok just did with a block of tofu? They are ruining this country!"
If a bunch of Three Percenters do their militia marches with guns in cities, I'll react more in the casual-annoyed vein of John Belushi in The Blues Brothers : i.e., "I hate Illinois Nazis". But I won't follow the media about every incident or all the updates. I just know there are crazies out there different from me.
So really, an honest question that I don't understand ... why is this so offensive and such a deep personal dig -- as many others clearly experience in this example ? This isn't a judgement per se. Lefties get triggered just because someone speaks Chinese and it might sound like a racial slur, so I get it. But I'm just trying to understand what makes what seems like inconsequential street idiocy that doesn't affect 99.999% of anyone's lives so triggering.
Well, everybody is racist. Black people included. So that much I'd agree with.
But the non-human thing is just evil.
All racist lives matter.
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Trump is using misinformation in his campaign. Aka lying to the american public
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@Hustini
The gang Proud Boys attacking a protester girl. She was probably burning down their properties or something.
https://tuckbot.tv/#/watch/ioinpn
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@Hustini
The gang Proud Boys attacking a protester girl. She was probably burning down their properties or something.
https://tuckbot.tv/#/watch/ioinpn
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Well my trans black Latinx dissociative identity disorder persona calls her a racist.
But why, I still have to politely ask. I'm trying to understand this. What's the motivation?
Antifa is as fake assed as the Oath Keepers in my book. Amateurs pretending to put on big boy pants. But I just wouldn't absorb myself in an infinite tape loop of videos making fun of the feebleness or illegitimacy of either.
Their very existence doesn't really offend me as it does some people. Is it like how some people are with gay people? Where it's not enough that these people aren't hanging out on your sofa, but the thought that someone out there in the universe exists who actually likes sex with fellow dudes drives the brain into a rage? Just by their very existence in the world, even if it's not consequential to my life.
I'm at a real gap in understanding how this works.
Zuckerberg is donating $300 million to "helping to secure the U.S. election in November."
It is one thing to donate to solve a problem you have absolutely no prior involvement with. But to solve a problem you are still busily working to cause — through the enabling of disinformation and racial hatred — is a special kind of heroism, and I salute Zuck.
Dafuq is tuckbot? Isn't tucking when you're a dude in transition and yer trying to hide your junk?
But why, I still have to politely ask. I'm trying to understand this. What's the motivation?
Antifa is as fake assed as the Oath Keepers in my book. Amateurs pretending to put on big boy pants. But I just wouldn't absorb myself in an infinite tape loop of videos making fun of the feebleness or illegitimacy of either.
Their very existence doesn't really offend me as it does some people. Is it like how some people are with gay people? Where it's not enough that these people aren't hanging out on your sofa, but the thought that someone out there in the universe exists who actually likes sex with fellow dudes drives the brain into a rage? Just by their very existence in the world, even if it's not consequential to my life.
I'm at a real gap in understanding how this works.
Zuckerberg is donating $300 million to "helping to secure the U.S. election in November."
It is one thing to donate to solve a problem you have absolutely no prior involvement with. But to solve a problem you are still busily working to cause — through the enabling of disinformation and racial hatred — is a special kind of heroism, and I salute Zuck.
Dafuq is tuckbot? Isn't tucking when you're a dude in transition and yer trying to hide your junk?
These kids are working hard at destroying cities/communities they had zero effort in building and contributing to. They literally drive to other cities & states to harass people. These same people are climbing onto/into peoples houses, destroying property and ruining business of hardworking Americans.
When I see anyone fighting back, my heart swells. How is Antifa fake? That's like saying al Qaeda is fake. You don't see gays as a group so angered by the system they are looting, rioting and destroying everything they touch. Not even a fair comparison. Their pride marches are always peaceful, that's the point.
When I see anyone fighting back, my heart swells. How is Antifa fake? That's like saying al Qaeda is fake. You don't see gays as a group so angered by the system they are looting, rioting and destroying everything they touch. Not even a fair comparison. Their pride marches are always peaceful, that's the point.
Thanks for the answer.
But you seem to feel that law enforcement isn't doing its job. That the police are standing down and allowing kids to destroy all sorts of neighborhoods and cities. And of the Michigan Militia shows up to threaten the governor, that's somehow different. (It's not.) Or if Hong Kongers demonstrate in the streets against China rule, that's somehow different. (It's not.)
Now we can argue the extent of the actual "destroying" with damages being caused. But I always start with the usual assumptions that are pretty universal: the media is biased for sensationalism. If you believe that, you will know that a two-block radius of damage will be portrayed as an entire city being burned down.
But also added here is a sort of belief that there isn't any consequences for those actions -- that police are idling by and not looking at security video and other identifiers to prosecute individuals. If so, then I could see that. But that isn't what's happening. People are being identified and are being brought to justice for things like looting, setting fires, etc. Police are not turning the other cheek ... at least I don't see evidence of that other than some misdemeanor stuff where there might be political reasons to back off mass arrests to avoid a worse outcome by escalating animosities.
So is the expectation here a bit of Minority Report? That the failure is police aren't arresting people for future crimes?
Your heart swelling is a great description -- and thank you for that. It swells because you've clearly chosen sides in who you support. But there seems to be a bias in belief that a) cities are burning down left and right, and b) nobody is enforcing the law when damages are made.
Antifa is fake because it's even fake here, and we have tons of graffiti in Europe for antifa. It's really amateurs in a wannabe street gang. There's no organization, no collective antifa movement of any material importance. And yes, you could say BLM doesn't have an MLK-like leader and that's by design. Antifa doesn't even have a single name associated with quasi-leadership.
"Anarchy" is no more an organized political agenda than Marvel supervillains.
Antifa is as much a discipline as calling yourself a BTS idol fan. I'd argue that BTS idols are probably doing more global damage than any antifa wannabes, but that's just my opinion. At least the Michigan Militia has forums and actual meetings.
But you seem to feel that law enforcement isn't doing its job. That the police are standing down and allowing kids to destroy all sorts of neighborhoods and cities. And of the Michigan Militia shows up to threaten the governor, that's somehow different. (It's not.) Or if Hong Kongers demonstrate in the streets against China rule, that's somehow different. (It's not.)
Now we can argue the extent of the actual "destroying" with damages being caused. But I always start with the usual assumptions that are pretty universal: the media is biased for sensationalism. If you believe that, you will know that a two-block radius of damage will be portrayed as an entire city being burned down.
But also added here is a sort of belief that there isn't any consequences for those actions -- that police are idling by and not looking at security video and other identifiers to prosecute individuals. If so, then I could see that. But that isn't what's happening. People are being identified and are being brought to justice for things like looting, setting fires, etc. Police are not turning the other cheek ... at least I don't see evidence of that other than some misdemeanor stuff where there might be political reasons to back off mass arrests to avoid a worse outcome by escalating animosities.
So is the expectation here a bit of Minority Report? That the failure is police aren't arresting people for future crimes?
Your heart swelling is a great description -- and thank you for that. It swells because you've clearly chosen sides in who you support. But there seems to be a bias in belief that a) cities are burning down left and right, and b) nobody is enforcing the law when damages are made.
Antifa is fake because it's even fake here, and we have tons of graffiti in Europe for antifa. It's really amateurs in a wannabe street gang. There's no organization, no collective antifa movement of any material importance. And yes, you could say BLM doesn't have an MLK-like leader and that's by design. Antifa doesn't even have a single name associated with quasi-leadership.
"Anarchy" is no more an organized political agenda than Marvel supervillains.
Antifa is as much a discipline as calling yourself a BTS idol fan. I'd argue that BTS idols are probably doing more global damage than any antifa wannabes, but that's just my opinion. At least the Michigan Militia has forums and actual meetings.
People are arrested and let off the next day. The extreme vitriol of the political party on the left has hijacked reason and infiltrated even high level district attorneys and AGs that "vow not to prosecute" rioters. You harp daily on here about law and letting the justice system work but, so I suppose you are OK with not prosecuting rioters/looters because the justice system in that city ran the full process? I can't tell if you blindly just want the justice system to run its course regardless of how extreme that position is in that city or what?
Ok, are street gangs fake? What makes it fake? They aren't make believe, they are actually a group. How can you say Antifa was no organization? They show up on cue as soon as there is some sort of strife they can manipulate.
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You are a reasonable person, Greg but I would think most reasonable people see an issue here. You can't let someone destroy someone's life's work then let them off the next day. Justice, that you keep seeking, doesn't work that way and never should.
Ok, are street gangs fake? What makes it fake? They aren't make believe, they are actually a group. How can you say Antifa was no organization? They show up on cue as soon as there is some sort of strife they can manipulate.
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You are a reasonable person, Greg but I would think most reasonable people see an issue here. You can't let someone destroy someone's life's work then let them off the next day. Justice, that you keep seeking, doesn't work that way and never should.
Should we be mad at the justice system if people are being arrested and released? Perhaps. Causing material damages or hurting others will typically not get a pass, at least if they can accumulate enough evidence to prosecute a case. But sometimes the evidence isn't sufficient. Sometimes the judicial system has to coin toss between prosecuting car thieves in the city vs prosecuting agitators who joined protestors and broke windows, knowing how backed up their court system is.
But having protestors out in the street for BLM isn't something that should be treated differently than the Michigan Militia at the state capitol. Whether protestors or hop-on agitators break the law, then the legal system should do its thing.
Now I probably do get a slight pleasure when I learn someone flaunts corona rules, hosts a party, and then has half their guests come down with it. So I can sympathize with feeling the need for some justice in the universe.
And no question that some parts of the Left have turned into rabid dogs gone mental. Hyperventilation over Kavanaugh on down. I'm probably a little too kind in ascribing some of that madness to sublimation over frustration of things the Trump administration has been guilty of but has not been held accountable to.
But you can't prosecute mental ... only actions that divide between legal and not.
They're fake in that they are not an organized entity. There's no policy. There's no agenda other than Fight Club Project Mayhem. To legitimize that as something more than that is like calling Lake Travis home of the Trump Navy.
Antifa has become shorthand for "hate the president", "hate racism", "hate The Man", "hate capitalism", etc., fill in the blank. There's nothing that determines what makes someone official antifa or not. Anything that porous is like someone who robs a Jewish deli and claims they're part of ISIS.
And I don't see people destroying someone's life's work and getting a free pass the way you do. And there's no way you can reach a DA in less than 24 hours of an arrest to rule on an individual case.
But having protestors out in the street for BLM isn't something that should be treated differently than the Michigan Militia at the state capitol. Whether protestors or hop-on agitators break the law, then the legal system should do its thing.
Now I probably do get a slight pleasure when I learn someone flaunts corona rules, hosts a party, and then has half their guests come down with it. So I can sympathize with feeling the need for some justice in the universe.
And no question that some parts of the Left have turned into rabid dogs gone mental. Hyperventilation over Kavanaugh on down. I'm probably a little too kind in ascribing some of that madness to sublimation over frustration of things the Trump administration has been guilty of but has not been held accountable to.
But you can't prosecute mental ... only actions that divide between legal and not.
They're fake in that they are not an organized entity. There's no policy. There's no agenda other than Fight Club Project Mayhem. To legitimize that as something more than that is like calling Lake Travis home of the Trump Navy.
Antifa has become shorthand for "hate the president", "hate racism", "hate The Man", "hate capitalism", etc., fill in the blank. There's nothing that determines what makes someone official antifa or not. Anything that porous is like someone who robs a Jewish deli and claims they're part of ISIS.
And I don't see people destroying someone's life's work and getting a free pass the way you do. And there's no way you can reach a DA in less than 24 hours of an arrest to rule on an individual case.