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king Ale

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Oct 28, 2004
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it probably will surprise you that I like Masih as an activist. Of course I won't vote for her in an election. AOC probably would be a good activist too.
Masih's intentions were maybe once genuine and noble but I don't see it that way anymore. Her relevance (and livelihood even) is so dependent on people's misery that I don't think she really wants things to change for the better.
 

Ronn

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May 3, 2012
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Masih's intentions were maybe once genuine and noble but I don't see it that way anymore. Her relevance (and livelihood even) is so dependent on people's misery that I don't think she really wants things to change for the better.
I'm not in the business of judging her intentions. You can say the same about many other activists (if they succeed the cause dies and so does their relevance).
 

Osman

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Aug 30, 2002
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Yeah it's truly brilliant how you keep harping about how you're are just as capable as males, but at first hint of equal treatment you want to be damsel in distress. With her it is always as woman, as a POC... Despicable professional victim.

Is that professional victim, or is she completely correct in everything she said? Ignore who she is, I dont even care about that. But ask yourself, is basic decency and respect too much to ask for? She is overselling it a bit, but she is correct in everything she said, language has power, and the commonality of using such abusive words becomes even more normalised, when its uttered by an elected powerful leader, and its shrugged off.
 

GordoDeCentral

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Is that professional victim, or is she completely correct in everything she said? Ignore who she is, I dont even care about that. But ask yourself, is basic decency and respect too much to ask for? She is overselling it a bit, but she is correct in everything she said, language has power, and the commonality of using such abusive words becomes even more normalised, when its uttered by an elected powerful leader, and its shrugged off.
You asking me? I think aoc deserves 0 respect, and i am well within my right in the street to call her whatever the fuck i want. Now if you cut off someone on the road and they call you a fuckin asshole is that sexist? Obviously this whole thing is deflection from the horrible job the Democrats are doing in NYC, where homicides have double coz everyone is "looking for bread".
 

Enron

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Oct 11, 2005
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Is that professional victim, or is she completely correct in everything she said? Ignore who she is, I dont even care about that. But ask yourself, is basic decency and respect too much to ask for? She is overselling it a bit, but she is correct in everything she said, language has power, and the commonality of using such abusive words becomes even more normalised, when its uttered by an elected powerful leader, and its shrugged off.
I think she's grand standing for sure and that's only because homeboy did some half assed public apology instead of just being a man and doing any 20 other less cringy things. And we all know Yoho isn't confronting any of male members of congress like that, especially in front of reporters.
 

swag

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Sep 23, 2003
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You're Portugese, what is he saying for real? Always wondered
I may be in this country, but my lip-reading skills just ain't there yet. For all I know he's asking for the restaurant bill.

I don’t know, charter schools are ridiculous in some states, in Utah you can teach with a high school diploma
And by that he means locking kids in a room with a diploma.

Is that professional victim, or is she completely correct in everything she said? Ignore who she is, I dont even care about that. But ask yourself, is basic decency and respect too much to ask for? She is overselling it a bit, but she is correct in everything she said, language has power, and the commonality of using such abusive words becomes even more normalised, when its uttered by an elected powerful leader, and its shrugged off.
She plays up the victimhood part. Sadly, we're in a political climate that Trump has set the pace for that values political sass on Twitter over accomplishments. But that's not entirely her fault.

She is completely correct in everything she said in that video, however.

Sadly, some people will lose the message for the messenger. You could argue that if she was a guy and Ted Yolo called "him" a "f*cking assh*le" instead of beeeeyotch, there wouldn't be as much of a story -- because without being able to hide behind the victimhood of women, a lot of people would blow off that kind of exchange as garden-variety incivility. Gender-oriented incivility scores higher on the invisible grievance scale just because of the nature of its "punching down" use of gendered language in its insult.

Personally, I'm not entirely happy that people can get away with non-gendered insults more than they can with gendered ones. But I also get that women absolutely have a weighted history of being dismissed and abused by men in power, especially when compared with other men. So to that extent, AOC is being wise in knowing how to wield it as a more valuable political weapon. She is both correct and manipulative.
 

king Ale

Senior Member
Oct 28, 2004
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I may be in this country, but my lip-reading skills just ain't there yet. For all I know he's asking for the restaurant bill.



And by that he means locking kids in a room with a diploma.



She plays up the victimhood part. Sadly, we're in a political climate that Trump has set the pace for that values political sass on Twitter over accomplishments. But that's not entirely her fault.

She is completely correct in everything she said in that video, however.

Sadly, some people will lose the message for the messenger. You could argue that if she was a guy and Ted Yolo called "him" a "f*cking assh*le" instead of beeeeyotch, there wouldn't be as much of a story -- because without being able to hide behind the victimhood of women, a lot of people would blow off that kind of exchange as garden-variety incivility. Gender-oriented incivility scores higher on the invisible grievance scale just because of the nature of its "punching down" use of gendered language in its insult.

Personally, I'm not entirely happy that people can get away with non-gendered insults more than they can with gendered ones. But I also get that women absolutely have a weighted history of being dismissed and abused by men in power, especially when compared with other men. So to that extent, AOC is being wise in knowing how to wield it as a more valuable political weapon. She is both correct and manipulative.
Correct and manipulative are exactly what she is. She is a politician, she has work to do. This incident is in the news consistently for three days in the middle of a pandemic why exactly? Because someone has called her a bitch. Big deal. I wish the girls she says she is standing up for would have looked up to a politician who wouldn't waste even a second addressing such a worthless matter.

Imagine if Hillary was the president and she was called a fraction of the things they are calling trump (and I agree with everything bad they call trump with). We'd have a drama every single day.

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I'm not in the business of judging her intentions. You can say the same about many other activists (if they succeed the cause dies and so does their relevance).
I judge, therefore I am :grin:

There are other worthy causes they can direct their efforts towards when the original goal is accomplished. Unless the original goal is the most lucrative one. I don't trust any activist whose activism is her job.
 
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swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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Correct and manipulative are exactly what she is. She is a politician, she has work to do. This incident is in the news consistently for three days in the middle of a pandemic why exactly? Because someone has called her a bitch. Big deal. I wish the girls she says she is standing up for would have looked up to a politician who wouldn't waste even a second addressing such a worthless matter.

Imagine if Hillary was the president and she was called a fraction of the things they are calling trump (and I agree with everything bad they call trump with). We'd have a drama every single day.
100%. The name calling is lame and the sign of a frustrated douchebag.

But to make it a public issue is a major distraction from the issues that really matter on the Hill. Much as we don’t need to see every incident on video of a bus driver calling a Black man the n word. People behaving badly and saying bad things to each other isn’t acceptable, but that doesn’t mean it’s worthy of national headlines.
 

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