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ALC

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That means @ALC doesn't even have to filter anymore when choosing violent webms for murica bread :agree:

Plebbit has always been like that, just not as official about it as they are now
you guys keep freaking out about non issues. That post was removed and it was only on one subreddit anyways. Probably a troll attempt by the mods.

try focusing on more important news
 

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L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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I miss when our biggest problem as a nation were numerous armed, menacing clowns threatening the public. Ahh, the simpler times. :sigh:
I remember scary clowns. And when my brother, a police officer, had to respond to concerned parents on Facebook because they felt the local PD failed to have an effective scary clown policy to deal with the situation. :touched: (True story, bruh.)

I think it was more people doing stupid shit for social media.
Only if they were really bad at social media. What literal clown can't use social media right to pump up their likes and views by getting caught in the act? Most of those scary clowns were reported but rarely if ever caught on camera.

Love the song in your sig.
:D It's a thing of beauty.

bro the ayn rand institute took a bailout lol
Damn is that fitting. I mean, I'd withdraw my membership if they didn't. :lol:

Capitalism is bad, socialism is good and if a city council woman is telling you they will push out capitalism for a form of socialism, I'd say that is pretty fucking crystal clear what the motive is.
Let's not let capitalism off the hook now. It never was that great for everybody, but it helped a lot of people and economies in aggregate. That said, today it has much to answer for.

These people are either insignificant in number, support, and appeal, in which case they don't matter because democracy. Or they are growing in number, power, and platform, which is again no problem because democracy. Don't forget that these people are elected. You can't be for democracy, freedom of thought and expression, and see this as anything other than a perspective, which yes may change the politics in the country. Having to accept that in a democracy, an opposing perspective, as wrong as it may be, can get enough popularity to make a significant change to the system is how you can make sense of the hysteria on the right.
Hello Egypt.

There is no more hysteria on the right than there is on the left. You didn't see people screaming at the sky in anguish when Obama was elected twice.
Hmm. Interesting thought. But I think the hysteria is expressed differently. But I might say it's equivalent for both sides. Crazy lefties are hysterical because they think the world is all about personal persecution at all times. Crazy righties are hysterical because they respond to seeing that by arming themselves with personal tanks and mortars. Same circus, different clowns.

All due respects to @GordoDeCentral, but people were calling Obama the worst president ever who was as liberal a socialist as the US has ever seen. While the guy rightly became known as the Drone President.

But he has, obama will go down as top 3 worst presidents in the history of america.
I don't see it. We are in a recent period of existential ideology hysteria today. Since around Clinton, the answer to every president in power is that they were the worst ever and need to be impeached. That is now status quo, whomever is in office. (No disrespect to the above-and-beyond achievements of Trump in this regard.)

And look what happened to Alex Jones...pretty much canceled, which I'm sure most of you here would agree is a good thing even though it goes against free speech.

There are also a ton of smaller left outlets that can be combined with the CNNs/MSNBCs/CBS/ABCs of the media world. What's your point? You combine Fox and the few little ones you mentioned it still doesn't come close to the majority of the media narrative we see now.
Free speech doesn't mean calling the parents of murdered children "crisis actors" and riling up your audience base to chase them down with doxxing and death threats.

The media all kind of equally sucks, left and right. But we also need it. Someone has to call power and even less powerful voices to account. Social media can't do it, since it's a preening personal sh*t show. And it's certainly not government sponsored media that can be the watchdog for its boss. (VOA aside.)

Damn we agree on something (Carter). But why Wilson?
Because

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@Hustini lol hate crime, lemme guess the DA is black

That was pretty damn ridiculous. Even if you think hate crimes deserve any special treatment separate from the crimes themselves, calling that a hate crime is pretty much the equivalent of using the Hitler analogy on Bill Gates. (Don't get more wrong, I hate that guy and wish he would be buried in a ditch somewhere.)

Whoa, I saw a headline about that today and I thought someone painted over the BLM that's in DC. Didn't realize it was in Cali...
Yeah, in the hometown of my brother the cop, too.
It is. :D I'm a little late to catch up.

I’m in the ER with minor rabdo, so it’s been a good read
Bum deal. Sorry to hear that. Though being in an ER was a lot worse a couple of months ago...

Yeah this peaceful protesters is bs. Im telling from personal experience. I was part of a left political party, and we always said we were doing peaceful protests, and we provoke the police, so they would beat us and arrest us so we could use the “victim card”. Even during arrests we had handpicked who should be arrested.
My point is, if you want to make a point and do a violent protest then, deal with consequences but dont hide behind “peaceful card”.
I think people want simplistic whitewashing (can I use that word :p ;). There is no one kind of protestor. There isn't even one kind of peaceful protestor. We see a lot of individual actions being attributed to wide swaths of people who only have in common that they happened to be publicly in the same street at the same time.

Especially with the Left... even if we're just talking peaceful protestors, they can never stick to a single issue anyway. Guaranteed that a BLM march is going to have some nut job with signs for trans rights and some other is going to be decrying the carnivore capitalists bringing down vegans.

@swag looks like we were right about reddit all along

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:lol:

Reverse representation. I thought it was a bit much when every American comedy on TV had a black woman as a judge. But this is another step in the misinformation direction ... it's not even just fantasy now.

All PoCs have been turned into eunuchs as policy.

So POCs are basically immune to ever being offensive now? :lol:


Is that a joke or is it real?
They should do it to all the Karen coverage too. I feel like I am being race-baited by the media, left or right, 24x7 these days.
 

lgorTudor

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Jan 15, 2015
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you guys keep freaking out about non issues. That post was removed and it was only on one subreddit anyways. Probably a troll attempt by the mods.

try focusing on more important news
Whites are the most discriminated people in America, this is an important issue, not a non-issue
 

Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
Let's not let capitalism off the hook now. It never was that great for everybody, but it helped a lot of people and economies in aggregate. That said, today it has much to answer for.


Hmm. Interesting thought. But I think the hysteria is expressed differently. But I might say it's equivalent for both sides. Crazy lefties are hysterical because they think the world is all about personal persecution at all times. Crazy righties are hysterical because they respond to seeing that by arming themselves with personal tanks and mortars. Same circus, different clowns.

I don't see it. We are in a recent period of existential ideology hysteria today. Since around Clinton, the answer to every president in power is that they were the worst ever and need to be impeached. That is now status quo, whomever is in office. (No disrespect to the above-and-beyond achievements of Trump in this regard.)

Free speech doesn't mean calling the parents of murdered children "crisis actors" and riling up your audience base to chase them down with doxxing and death threats.

The media all kind of equally sucks, left and right. But we also need it. Someone has to call power and even less powerful voices to account. Social media can't do it, since it's a preening personal sh*t show. And it's certainly not government sponsored media that can be the watchdog for its boss. (VOA aside.)
Capitalism: Still generated the most wealth and pull the most people out of poverty, no? It isn't perfect, but its better than other alternatives. I maintain my stance, these people (the Seattle lady, Ilhan Omar, etc) all came from countries that were obviously not great so if they wanted socialism so badly why the hell did they come here? Why not go to Sweden? Or any of the similar countries in the EU or South America? It's bullshit because they knew what they were coming into when they came here and now is a power grab which is all what big government is. How much can I take and how long can I stay in power...which is the OPPOSITE of what our country was founded on which was my point to Hoori.

Hysteria: Before Inauguration Day, the left was already calling for impeachment. I don't recall that happening before Obama even took office. You can say "oh but his birth certificate" etc. but that doesn't come close to Hollywood, 97% of all media and ALL democrat politicians going all in on impeachment on a Russian lie (which we know was fake as fuck). Politics is dirty, I get it. Opposition research is fucked up as it is already, but to pay a foreign nation to work with another foreign nation to try and bring a candidate down? Seriously? Democrats lost, got their asses kicked because Hillary sucked and they have no one to blame but themselves.

The media sucks indeed, but how many retractions has the WaPo/NYT, CNN, MSNBC issued since 2016 because they are so infuriated that their girl lost? That kind of peddling needs punished that way no media is willing to lie for any candidate. And yes, same applies to Fox. You're not worried about social media why? Convservative voices are stifled, its common knowledge. It isn't a fair game and mainstream media will never come and out and say, yeah, conservatives are right they are getting screwed.

So when you have people coming to the country, run for office, get into positions of power and say its ok to block conservatives by labeling it hate speech then they don't have a fucking clue what the country is they just moved to.
 

swag

L'autista
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Good think I'm really tan...I think I can pull off the minority gig :p
You go, Rachel Dolezal!!

Whites are the most discriminated people in America, this is an important issue, not a non-issue
Look, as if white is even a thing. Are the Irish in or out? Depends on timing. What about Latinxs? Technically, that's an ethnicity layered on top of a race that can be white, black, mulato, native peoples, whatevs. Got that?

And then you have the complication of mixed race people, which are growing faster than anybody. And how is it that Tiger Woods is not Thai? And it doesn't take a so-called white person to tell you that even among exclusively black or brown people, they are treated differently based on the lightness or darkness of their complexion.

And why is your head not exploding now?

Capitalism: Still generated the most wealth and pull the most people out of poverty, no? It isn't perfect, but its better than other alternatives. I maintain my stance, these people (the Seattle lady, Ilhan Omar, etc) all came from countries that were obviously not great so if they wanted socialism so badly why the hell did they come here? Why not go to Sweden? Or any of the similar countries in the EU or South America? It's bullshit because they knew what they were coming into when they came here and now is a power grab which is all what big government is. How much can I take and how long can I stay in power...which is the OPPOSITE of what our country was founded on which was my point to Hoori.

Hysteria: Before Inauguration Day, the left was already calling for impeachment. I don't recall that happening before Obama even took office. You can say "oh but his birth certificate" etc. but that doesn't come close to Hollywood, 97% of all media and ALL democrat politicians going all in on impeachment on a Russian lie (which we know was fake as fuck). Politics is dirty, I get it. Opposition research is fucked up as it is already, but to pay a foreign nation to work with another foreign nation to try and bring a candidate down? Seriously? Democrats lost, got their asses kicked because Hillary sucked and they have no one to blame but themselves.

The media sucks indeed, but how many retractions has the WaPo/NYT, CNN, MSNBC issued since 2016 because they are so infuriated that their girl lost? That kind of peddling needs punished that way no media is willing to lie for any candidate. And yes, same applies to Fox. You're not worried about social media why? Convservative voices are stifled, its common knowledge. It isn't a fair game and mainstream media will never come and out and say, yeah, conservatives are right they are getting screwed.

So when you have people coming to the country, run for office, get into positions of power and say its ok to block conservatives by labeling it hate speech then they don't have a fucking clue what the country is they just moved to.
I think enough of the world has changed that we can't presume capitalism is still working as it did for us 20, 40, 60 years ago. The world is not the same anymore. Our economies are not the same anymore. Our human challenges are less about having enough food to eat and now about being too obese that our lifespans are decreasing. We're running against systemic limits where issues like immigration, cities, climate, natural resources, public health in a globally interconnected society, the food supply, even mental health are now butting heads against the old linear thinking idea of growth-at-all-costs is a sustainable strategy. You cannot consume 1.5 earths worth of resources and suggest we all need to aim to double that in a few years based on current ideology.

Which isn't giving socialism or communism a pass. It means that the systems we depended on are showing serious rips and tears at the seams. We can't keep patching that damn couch forever before we get a giant spring up our asses.

The argument of "why did you come here if you wanted to change anything" is a red herring though. Like when can anyone of us commit to something staying the same forever? -- in romantic relationships, jobs, family statuses, let alone what makes our governmental priorities. When terrorists fly passenger planes into skyscrapers, are we supposed to just call that an acceptable bug in the system and move along, keeping on the same happy and dumb path as if nothing ever happened?

The real rub is that no change will kill us all and we don't have that option. Meanwhile too much change and conveniently erasing history like China's Great Leap Forward will destroy most of what was good about what's there to begin with. There needs to be something in between, and it's inherently messy and will require lots of disagreement.
 

king Ale

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Oct 28, 2004
21,689
“It’s so many of our children that are being vaccinated and paralyzed… So when they say the way we’re going to fix COVID is with a vaccine, I’m extremely cautious. That’s the mark of the beast. They want to put chips inside of us, they want to do all kinds of things, to make it where we can’t cross the gates of heaven. I'm sorry when I say they, the humans that have the Devil inside them. And the sad thing is that, the saddest thing is that we all won’t make it to heaven, that there’ll be some of us that do not make it. Next question.”
 

Enron

Tickle Me
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Oct 11, 2005
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“It’s so many of our children that are being vaccinated and paralyzed… So when they say the way we’re going to fix COVID is with a vaccine, I’m extremely cautious. That’s the mark of the beast. They want to put chips inside of us, they want to do all kinds of things, to make it where we can’t cross the gates of heaven. I'm sorry when I say they, the humans that have the Devil inside them. And the sad thing is that, the saddest thing is that we all won’t make it to heaven, that there’ll be some of us that do not make it. Next question.”
my friend’s sister is antivaxx and doesn’t believe in birth control either, so she has like 5 kids
 

king Ale

Senior Member
Oct 28, 2004
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Hmm. Interesting thought. But I think the hysteria is expressed differently. But I might say it's equivalent for both sides. Crazy lefties are hysterical because they think the world is all about personal persecution at all times. Crazy righties are hysterical because they respond to seeing that by arming themselves with personal tanks and mortars. Same circus, different clowns.
The only thing crazy lefties are harming, in addition to the human brain cells of course, is the genuine effort to increase equality and justice. They are part of the reason why Trump was elected president imo.


Free speech doesn't mean calling the parents of murdered children "crisis actors" and riling up your audience base to chase them down with doxxing and death threats.
The side effect is the increased intrigue and sometimes even validity of what's canceled so there's a tradeoff even in the most extreme cases.

The media all kind of equally sucks, left and right. But we also need it. Someone has to call power and even less powerful voices to account. Social media can't do it, since it's a preening personal sh*t show. And it's certainly not government sponsored media that can be the watchdog for its boss. (VOA aside.)
:tup: A country with dishonest media is still better than one without any media. And there's still plenty of good and honest journalism in the US.

Yeah, in the hometown of my brother the cop, too.
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If you listen to what the red shirt guy says, there's nothing that's even remotely hateful, he's even trying to explain why they are doing what they are doing (as childish as he whole thing is).

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Capitalism: Still generated the most wealth and pull the most people out of poverty, no? It isn't perfect, but its better than other alternatives. I maintain my stance, these people (the Seattle lady, Ilhan Omar, etc) all came from countries that were obviously not great so if they wanted socialism so badly why the hell did they come here? Why not go to Sweden? Or any of the similar countries in the EU or South America? It's bullshit because they knew what they were coming into when they came here and now is a power grab which is all what big government is. How much can I take and how long can I stay in power...which is the OPPOSITE of what our country was founded on which was my point to Hoori.

Hysteria: Before Inauguration Day, the left was already calling for impeachment. I don't recall that happening before Obama even took office. You can say "oh but his birth certificate" etc. but that doesn't come close to Hollywood, 97% of all media and ALL democrat politicians going all in on impeachment on a Russian lie (which we know was fake as fuck). Politics is dirty, I get it. Opposition research is fucked up as it is already, but to pay a foreign nation to work with another foreign nation to try and bring a candidate down? Seriously? Democrats lost, got their asses kicked because Hillary sucked and they have no one to blame but themselves.

The media sucks indeed, but how many retractions has the WaPo/NYT, CNN, MSNBC issued since 2016 because they are so infuriated that their girl lost? That kind of peddling needs punished that way no media is willing to lie for any candidate. And yes, same applies to Fox. You're not worried about social media why? Convservative voices are stifled, its common knowledge. It isn't a fair game and mainstream media will never come and out and say, yeah, conservatives are right they are getting screwed.

So when you have people coming to the country, run for office, get into positions of power and say its ok to block conservatives by labeling it hate speech then they don't have a fucking clue what the country is they just moved to.
All of them? :grin: You don't really believe that there is no "real" American (whatever you think that is) that's against capitalism? Even the unpatriotic shithole-bred Omar came to the US when she was a child, probably unaware of what capitalism and socialism are. And my point was for any of these ideas to get any traction and helps these people get elected, there have to enough Americans that find them appealing.

And I agree that Trump won the elections fair and square.
 
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Snobist

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Capitalism: Still generated the most wealth and pull the most people out of poverty, no? It isn't perfect, but its better than other alternatives. I maintain my stance, these people (the Seattle lady, Ilhan Omar, etc) all came from countries that were obviously not great so if they wanted socialism so badly why the hell did they come here? Why not go to Sweden? Or any of the similar countries in the EU or South America? It's bullshit because they knew what they were coming into when they came here and now is a power grab which is all what big government is. How much can I take and how long can I stay in power...which is the OPPOSITE of what our country was founded on which was my point to Hoori.

Hysteria: Before Inauguration Day, the left was already calling for impeachment. I don't recall that happening before Obama even took office. You can say "oh but his birth certificate" etc. but that doesn't come close to Hollywood, 97% of all media and ALL democrat politicians going all in on impeachment on a Russian lie (which we know was fake as fuck). Politics is dirty, I get it. Opposition research is fucked up as it is already, but to pay a foreign nation to work with another foreign nation to try and bring a candidate down? Seriously? Democrats lost, got their asses kicked because Hillary sucked and they have no one to blame but themselves.

The media sucks indeed, but how many retractions has the WaPo/NYT, CNN, MSNBC issued since 2016 because they are so infuriated that their girl lost? That kind of peddling needs punished that way no media is willing to lie for any candidate. And yes, same applies to Fox. You're not worried about social media why? Convservative voices are stifled, its common knowledge. It isn't a fair game and mainstream media will never come and out and say, yeah, conservatives are right they are getting screwed.

So when you have people coming to the country, run for office, get into positions of power and say its ok to block conservatives by labeling it hate speech then they don't have a fucking clue what the country is they just moved to.
It was the socialist policies that pulled USA out of deep shit after great depression. And Franklin Rosevelt surely wasnt a capitalist (see the ‘second bill of rights.) People in US have the right to want a president with same political views as him.
to be fair there is no such thing as perfect or the best ideology. If capitalism was so great than why dont countries privatise everything?
Im no way saying communism is good, that shit failed long time ago, just because commusim failed it doesnt mean we should stick to capitalism forever, as it creates so much inequality and possession of wealth. People purposely mistake communism with socialism.
 

swag

L'autista
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The only thing crazy lefties are harming, in addition to the human brain cells of course, is the genuine effort to increase equality and justice. They are part of the reason why Trump was elected president imo.
Oh, absolutely. Hillary Clinton calling people "deplorables" was a gift. It gave people the license and motivation to draw lines, plug fingers in their ears, pick sides, and just yell past each other. Dehumanize your rival ideologies, and you ultimately harm yourself.

I would even say Obama's presidency enabled Trump's election too, and for a lot of dark reasons (double entendre intentional).

:tup: A country with dishonest media is still better than one without any media. And there's still plenty of good and honest journalism in the US.
It really irks me when people cheer when journalists get brutalized (even killed) and say, "The media are the problem!" Humans are biased, that's never going away. And as long as humans are involved in the production of stories, that will be there. But eliminating all stories is not the answer. Listening to clowns on social media as an alternative is not an answer. Listening to the Presidential press secretary for truth is not the answer.

There's also a great irony about all the people who deride the media and yet do so on platforms like Fox News, Townhall, RedState, Zero Hedge, etc. No self-awareness whatsoever.

If you listen to what the red shirt guy says, there's nothing that's even remotely hateful, he's even trying to explain why they are doing what they are doing (as childish as he whole thing is).
We are in dangerous territory when we start criminalizing assumptions of implied intention. That pretty much proclaims open season to shoot anybody in America with a mental illness.

We finally got the pee tape?

It was the socialist policies that pulled USA out of deep shit after great depression. And Franklin Rosevelt surely wasnt a capitalist (see the ‘second bill of rights.) People in US have the right to want a president with same political views as him.
to be fair there is no such thing as perfect or the best ideology. If capitalism was so great than why dont countries privatise everything?
Im no way saying communism is good, that shit failed long time ago, just because commusim failed it doesnt mean we should stick to capitalism forever, as it creates so much inequality and possession of wealth. People purposely mistake communism with socialism.
Great point. And it's also true with all the cries of violated civil rights under COVID. Times change, crises demand different responses, and everything you hated about big government sways when not one business has the proper incentives to keep a pandemic from taking down the health care system. On the other side, centralizing all of that to the state also deprives the populace of its innovation and industry over the longer term. Static answers are for the foolish.
 

Hust

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
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The only thing crazy lefties are harming, in addition to the human brain cells of course, is the genuine effort to increase equality and justice. They are part of the reason why Trump was elected president imo.
And they are doing it again. You normal liberals out there better get control of your party.

(This is what we were told during Obama if you recall, the crazy ones are hijacking the GOP, etc etc).

All I'm saying is, Biden better start showing he is a moderate again instead of kowtowing with these idiots otherwise your boy is going to get 4 more years.

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In sports news:

Blackhawks aren't changing their name

https://patch.com/illinois/chicago/chicago-blackhawks-wont-change-name-promise-dialogue-instead
 

GordoDeCentral

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Apr 14, 2005
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It was the socialist policies that pulled USA out of deep shit after great depression. And Franklin Rosevelt surely wasnt a capitalist (see the ‘second bill of rights.) People in US have the right to want a president with same political views as him.
to be fair there is no such thing as perfect or the best ideology. If capitalism was so great than why dont countries privatise everything?
Im no way saying communism is good, that shit failed long time ago, just because commusim failed it doesnt mean we should stick to capitalism forever, as it creates so much inequality and possession of wealth. People purposely mistake communism with socialism.
Factually wrong and was debunked a long time ago
 

Hust

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
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lol thought you were talking about the Blackhawks article.

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And I agree that Trump won the elections fair and square.
So if you agree that Trump won the election fair and square, that would mean you would also agree this entire "Russian collusion" farce was cooked up by the DNC to try and burn his campaign and then Presidency to the ground, right? Because then that would mean the DNC tried to interfere with an election and sink a sitting President...
 

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