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Hust

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
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There's something insinuated in how the story was presented, as if it were relevant evidence in a trial.

It's along the lines of asking a rape victim, "What was she wearing?"
Got it. I am assuming its only info that came out of the autopsy. I agree though
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
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Still don't get it. Not only could he be asymptomatic like many people, he could have recovered fully in the 8 weeks since he was diagnosed.

Is this supposed to be a justification? That everybody who watched that video will suddenly be like, "Oh, yeah, COVID... never mind." and all the riots would stop? The suggestion is beyond asinine. Not to mention that the guy could have been an asthmatic with emphysema from years of smoking and that still wouldn't justify it.

You been away for Tuz too long, you are actually taking IgorTudors shitty posts seriously?
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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You been away for Tuz too long, you are actually taking IgorTudors shitty posts seriously?
Not Igor, more the inspiration for making that news. I saw the story independently.

Just like the story details we now get about Derek Chauvinist's wife. How dafuq is that even relevant?
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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It is crazy that just about all the minority boxes where checked there, but, valid question indeed.

I've mentioned, and others are just as angry, but the other 3 are as guilty as the officer on his knee. No excuses.

Man, there are two kinds of people that don't make it out of prison: pedophiles and dirty (or any cops) cops. Prison life is going to be tough for those guys.
#3 seems to have that look of inevitability on his face. I can't imagine Chauvin in particular would survive general pop very long at all. I don't particularly agree with how the US penal system seems to work anyway, you might as well give the guy the death sentence if he isn't going to be sent somewhere segregated, but the issue goes much deeper than that.

The other thing about this that bugs me is the practice of putting your knee into the neck of a person - to me that is mis-training, or at least an unacceptably grey area which needs eradicating quickly. When someone is cuffed and on their stomach if you kneel on the head then yes it is uncomfortable (you're being arrested after all, not tickled) but there is little risk of suffocation. Even the upper back. The idea being to stop the person lifting their head and upper body to move. This kneeling on the neck is the kind of asshole, I-used-to-be-a-school-bully bs you expect from a percentage of cops.

I presume these guys are trained in methods, but perhaps take a leaf out of martial arts practices and make the methods standard at a federal level downwards.
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,496
Not Igor, more the inspiration for making that news. I saw the story independently.

Just like the story details we now get about Derek Chauvinist's wife. How dafuq is that even relevant?
Anything for clicks man, I'm not suprised whatever angle they want to gossip about in these 24/7 and 60 seconds level news cycles nowadays. The question is why people give them attention, but its easy to succumb to the lowest common denominator.
 

Hust

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
#3 seems to have that look of inevitability on his face. I can't imagine Chauvin in particular would survive general pop very long at all. I don't particularly agree with how the US penal system seems to work anyway, you might as well give the guy the death sentence if he isn't going to be sent somewhere segregated, but the issue goes much deeper than that.

The other thing about this that bugs me is the practice of putting your knee into the neck of a person - to me that is mis-training, or at least an unacceptably grey area which needs eradicating quickly. When someone is cuffed and on their stomach if you kneel on the head then yes it is uncomfortable (you're being arrested after all, not tickled) but there is little risk of suffocation. Even the upper back. The idea being to stop the person lifting their head and upper body to move. This kneeling on the neck is the kind of asshole, I-used-to-be-a-school-bully bs you expect from a percentage of cops.

I presume these guys are trained in methods, but perhaps take a leaf out of martial arts practices and make the methods standard at a federal level downwards.
yep #3 is the only one that really looks to have a sign of regret.
 

lgorTudor

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Jan 15, 2015
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You been away for Tuz too long, you are actually taking IgorTudors shitty posts seriously?
Well I guess it's shitty to bring up studies and statistics from legit sources that remain unanswered by those who are driven by anecdotal evidence and emotions. It's easier to dismiss them with ad hominem than to face the facts. The Covid one was a joke tho, and yes I do make jokes about a dead career criminal piece of shit. And those who destroy and steal on his behalf.
 
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kao_ray

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Feb 28, 2014
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I would rather eat my own feces than listen to Joe Rogaine.
The conservative guest Saagar Enjeti makes a good point that this narrative about the racial problem benefits big corporations the most because it slides the focus from social problems like corporations that abuse power. Instead the corporations directly benefit from the narratives of whites vs blacks, men vs feminism, conservatives vs woke people and so on because these narratives are not asking them uncomfortable questions like wages, lobbing, abuse of power etc.

He also gives an example that Shell sponsors the "1619 Project" that tries to prove that USA is inherently a racist country.
 

Ronn

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May 3, 2012
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The conservative guest Saagar Enjeti makes a good point that this narrative about the racial problem benefits big corporations the most because it slides the focus from social problems like corporations that abuse power. Instead the corporations directly benefit from the narratives of whites vs blacks, men vs feminism, conservatives vs woke people and so on because these narratives are not asking them uncomfortable questions like wages, lobbing, abuse of power etc.

He also gives an example that Shell sponsors the "1619 Project" that tries to prove that USA is inherently a racist country.
Enjeti is the son of one of my former professors. His father was kind of an asshole who only hired Indian students in his lab, with very few exceptions.
 

kao_ray

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Feb 28, 2014
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Maybe, but conservatives have no interest in solving racial inequality or cooling down racial tensions. The Colin Kaepernick saga is enough proof of that.
I agree with him that it is a social inequality, poor people in US are pretty much screwed and left out of society and this is a problem no matter if you are black or white.
 

swag

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Sep 23, 2003
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The conservative guest Saagar Enjeti makes a good point that this narrative about the racial problem benefits big corporations the most because it slides the focus from social problems like corporations that abuse power. Instead the corporations directly benefit from the narratives of whites vs blacks, men vs feminism, conservatives vs woke people and so on because these narratives are not asking them uncomfortable questions like wages, lobbing, abuse of power etc.

He also gives an example that Shell sponsors the "1619 Project" that tries to prove that USA is inherently a racist country.
I agree with that line of thinking. And you can throw on another layer: big-data-driven business is now all about making convenient buckets and finding ways to squeeze more and more potential customers into them. You get people to react, to be polarized, to operate from the autonomous nervous system with fight-or-flight non-thinking instead of thoughtful deliberation, and they are much easier to control and conveniently nudge into the appropriate consumer behaviors with cost-effective, pre-wired mass triggers. It's now a lot about making lots of traps and finding ways to get people to fall into the right ones.

This is, of course, how Facebook makes their money.

Randomly saw this just posted:

Might explain why.
These guys are like Trump. Need to be dealt with, but not the root problem. More the symptom.
 

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