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Hust

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
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The CIA and other alphabet agencies have meddled in foreign elections for years, including in Iran, Nicaragua, Iraq, and countless other places. Now they’re supposedly the ones telling us Russia and Trump are enemies meddling in our own elections. Pot, meet kettle. And Democrats have such a poor, poor understanding of history, or anything for that matter, that they fall for the bait because orange man bad.
The 3-letters unquestionably have made some serious grave mistakes and decisions. I won't say the agencies themselves are wrong, but the leaderships at said institutions in the last half a decade have made their decisions political here at home instead of following what their actual mission is.

That said, and I will keep this brief because most people here dislike my comments in this thread anyway, the Democrats absolutely torched their party under this administration. Instead of focusing on pushing policies their party used to stand far, they refused to admit they were beaten by a poor candidate. Instead of focusing on winning at the ballot box they went full retard, now their gig is up. They have been caught red handed as we will see when some current investigations unfold. You mentioned all of this pushing people towards libertarian objectives and I 100% agree. This FISA court fiasco pushed on US citizens is likely the straw that broke the camels back. If you don't believe me about citizens waking up all you need to do is look at what is happening in VA per the 2A.

Forza Murica, Forza Juve, Forza Hustini in that order.

I personally think we'll see both parties pushed further towards the fringes, I don't see this strife getting any better unfortunately.
The pendulum always returns to the middle. Regardless how far to the fringe each side goes, eventually that same force will bring it back to the middle.
 
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Ronn

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May 3, 2012
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Didn’t dems win in the ballot box in 2018? They won, among other seats, an Arizona senate seat ffs mostly on a message of healthcare. Two of the party’s 3 front runners have made healthcare the centerpiece of their campaign as well. You might argue about wisdom of that choice, but if you think every Dem is just running on an anti-Trump message you’re not paying attention.
Trump did use his position to get dirt on his opponent and did this shortly after Mueller report was out. So, if nothing else, this impeachment will make him think twice before doing something like that again. The fact that his popularity didn’t move at all shows it was the right thing to do. It didn’t go down, but it didn’t go up either like post-impeachment Clinton.
 

lgorTudor

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Jan 15, 2015
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the first guy was a habitual offender and made threats to the people at the bar. Context is everything my dude.
what :lol:

My dude, burning a rag is UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES a violent crime(especially since Texas vs Johnson), no matter what you did beforehand. Also I'm aware of the three strikes law which on its own is fooking retarded btw.

There is a guy going away for 15 years for burning a cloth and people act like it's a normal thing.
 

Hust

Senior Member
Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
I'm paying attention. And I also see how little the HoR Dems have paid to keeping those promises they ran on to get to the house to begin with. Their focus has unquestionably been on impeachment. When they realized their Russian conspiracy was going down faster than a sinking ship they switched gears. Now that they got their precious impeachment, maybe we will actually see them get to work for their constituents that they promised change for.

Per Trump using his position to get dirt on his opponent. If Biden wasn't running for president, would it have been ethical to investigate him then? If someone acts unethically, is it not the responsible thing to do to look into him at the very least? I mean, if a conspiracy to investigate trump has now been debunked but was done anyway, is it not fair game to do the same if Biden is literally on video admitting to do something unethical?

Dems won in 2018 for the house, but lost big time in the Senate and as a result are getting slam dunked on via judicial nominations. So did they really win in the ballot box? I guess on the short game they won because they were able to slow things down, but the long game? I don't think so. I don't think things look rosy for them next November.
 

Ronn

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May 3, 2012
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I'm paying attention. And I also see how little the HoR Dems have paid to keeping those promises they ran on to get to the house to begin with. Their focus has unquestionably been on impeachment. When they realized their Russian conspiracy was going down faster than a sinking ship they switched gears. Now that they got their precious impeachment, maybe we will actually see them get to work for their constituents that they promised change for.

Per Trump using his position to get dirt on his opponent. If Biden wasn't running for president, would it have been ethical to investigate him then? If someone acts unethically, is it not the responsible thing to do to look into him at the very least? I mean, if a conspiracy to investigate trump has now been debunked but was done anyway, is it not fair game to do the same if Biden is literally on video admitting to do something unethical?

Dems won in 2018 for the house, but lost big time in the Senate and as a result are getting slam dunked on via judicial nominations. So did they really win in the ballot box? I guess on the short game they won because they were able to slow things down, but the long game? I don't think so. I don't think things look rosy for them next November.
1- Yes they did win in the ballot box. Dems had 26 senate seats (out of 33) to defend in that election, so the chances of them picking up seats were slim to begin with. The fact that they lost only 2 wasn't a victory, but I wouldn't call it a defeat either
2- Much like Republican house majority 2010-2018 and Freedom Caucus, house majority is controlled often by a noisy minority. In this case the anti-Trumpers. But even if it didn't without the other branches of government in their control they can't do anything anyway. At least they don't threaten to shut the government down every time a debt ceiling deadline is coming up.
3- Selective justice is still bullshit. Biden IS running for election. Even if he didn't the best way to prosecute a crime is through DoJ. Trump didn't do that. He also did not allow any of his minions to testify. He's not acting like he's innocent is he?
4- I really don't want to change your mind here. Most people are so in line with one party's message (that includes myself as well) that it is hard to change their mind. But I don't understand why Trump should be allowed to do what he did without even getting a slap on the wrist. It's not like he's going to get removed.
 

Hust

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
1.) I see your argument, but I think the focus of the Repubs was simply the senate. They had to choose, and made their focus on the upper chamber. I think they knew the House was a long shot to either gain or simply hold.
2.) Are you saying the loud minority on each side don't threaten to close the gov down?
3.) If you're mad about Trump's selective justice on Biden, I can't imagine the anger you (should) feel towards the Russian conspiracy fiasco pushed by the Dems. That's partially my point. Let's impeach trump where actual evidence exits, but lets not hold anyone accountable for some shitty document that was unverified to begin with to build a case to impeach an elected president. If you aren't mad about that, but are made about the Ukraine call to investigate, then not much else to discuss. And yes, the best way to investigate foreign crimes tied to Americans overseas is via the DOJ/FBI (whom do that all the time). To your last point, after the House committees changed nearly every precedent from prior impeachents, now you are up in arms over whether or not he can claim executive privilege as every other president before him has used? If the transcript was released and the Ukraine president himself said he wasn't pressured, what's left to discuss? It would be one thing if the Ukrainians said yeah, that' was odd or yeah this also happened behind the scenes, then yes you have a point. But that didn't happen.
4.) Slap him on the wrist, I don't care. That's not what happened here, not even close. The democrats have been calling for impeachment since before he was elected. If anyone needs a slap on the wrist its the leaders of that party. You turned the worlds most powerful intelligence agencies into political machines. Shame on them.

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I guess the conversation is moot at this point.


Peoples minds are made up, they have seen enough. I've made up my mind as you know, I know I have certainly seen enough. Thanks for the friendly chat Ronn. :tup:
 
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ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
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what :lol:

My dude, burning a rag is UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES a violent crime(especially since Texas vs Johnson), no matter what you did beforehand. Also I'm aware of the three strikes law which on its own is fooking retarded btw.

There is a guy going away for 15 years for burning a cloth and people act like it's a normal thing.
how do you still not get this? Burning the flag is no big deal. Burning the flag outside of the club and telling everyone there you’ll burn them down too is a hate crime. And it happened that this wasn’t his first time acting like a retard, the guy is a nutjob
 

X Æ A-12

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Sep 4, 2006
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what :lol:

My dude, burning a rag is UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES a violent crime(especially since Texas vs Johnson), no matter what you did beforehand. Also I'm aware of the three strikes law which on its own is fooking retarded btw.

There is a guy going away for 15 years for burning a cloth and people act like it's a normal thing.
lol at this silly eurocuck pretending america is oppressive and that he wouldnt go to jail in his own country for simply insulting jews or just questioning the hordes of 3rd world invaders his government lets in and subsidizes. so silly.
 

ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
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His hands are tiny, I don’t understand why he waves them around so much, it’s like he wants to create an illusion to make them look bigger.
 

swag

L'autista
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