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[Seven]

He mentions elsewhere none of the candidates have any credibility. To me, he was speaking to Sander’s persistence in preaching what he believes, but I doubt Kunstler is a fan of his policies.

I'm not saying that he is, based on what I'm reading here. But he does seem to acknowledge that he's the only somewhat serious candidate.

Depends on what you mean by marginalized. I certainly don’t feel that the current government represents me or my interests, nor will any of these candidates most likely. I’m not sure how anyone apart from a select few in the “establishment” could feel happy with the state of affairs. No matter which party we vote for, we are left with the same end results. So once again, it’s a matter of voting for the lesser of all evils, if that is the route I begrudgingly choose.

Isn't that weird though? You're a white middle class christian - "I'm a white male, age 18 to 49. Everyone listens to me -- no matter how dumb my suggestions are".

 

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[Bjerknes]

I'm not saying that he is, based on what I'm reading here. But he does seem to acknowledge that he's the only somewhat serious candidate.

But he says that none are elsewhere.

Isn't that weird though? You're a white middle class christian - "I'm a white male, age 18 to 49. Everyone listens to me -- no matter how dumb my suggestions are".

Yes, it's very weird that we can have such a screwed up government in the US. But it can certainly get a lot worse.

With respect to what you’re trying to infer, there is a growing concern that white Christians are being marginalized, perhaps more through rhetoric than action though. Bernie Sanders himself said that white people don’t know what it’s like to be poor, which is an asinine statement to make – just go to 20 different counties in West Virginia alone. Obama has made similar statements. So in that regard, I can see what they mean. Once again, it’s all based on race-baiting by the Democrats.

 

[swag]

Isn't that weird though? You're a white middle class christian - "I'm a white male, age 18 to 49. Everyone listens to me -- no matter how dumb my suggestions are".

Not really. That's just this old thing:

Unless you're in the top 10%, popular vote or sentiment has no impact on the likelihood of a measure or legislation passing.

But he says that none are elsewhere.



Yes, it's very weird that we can have such a screwed up government in the US. But it can certainly get a lot worse.

With respect to what you’re trying to infer, there is a growing concern that white Christians are being marginalized, perhaps more through rhetoric than action though. Bernie Sanders himself said that white people don’t know what it’s like to be poor, which is an asinine statement to make – just go to 20 different counties in West Virginia alone. Obama has made similar statements. So in that regard, I can see what they mean. Once again, it’s all based on race-baiting by the Democrats.

Bernie was a moron for saying that. He just denied the existence of pretty much everyone who is at the base of Trump supporters. In which case he should be leading Trump 100% to 0% in the polls.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

The gender pay gap, is it a myth or not?

 

[Seven]

The gender pay gap, is it a myth or not?

Most likely it's not, because the gap exists in most countries. But the story is far more nuanced than it is presented.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Most likely it's not, because the gap exists in most countries. But the story is far more nuanced than it is presented.

Well, do women get paid less for the same jobs and same hours worked than men? It seems like there are endless statistics that argue for yes and no.

P.S. We're talking America

 

[Seven]

Well, do women get paid less for the same jobs and same hours worked than men? It seems like there are endless statistics that argue for yes and no.

P.S. We're talking America

But it's never as easy as that is it? You can almost never compare the two. You'd have to compare the entire career. For example a woman might not have worked for a year because of a pregnancy. This means she has 1 less year experience and might be paid less accordingly.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

But it's never as easy as that is it? You can almost never compare the two. You'd have to compare the entire career. For example a woman might not have worked for a year because of a pregnancy. This means she has 1 less year experience and might be paid less accordingly.

The comparison should be between women who were never pregnant, doing the same job, same hours as men.

 

[Bjerknes]

Not really. That's just this old thing:

Unless you're in the top 10%, popular vote or sentiment has no impact on the likelihood of a measure or legislation passing.



Bernie was a moron for saying that. He just denied the existence of pretty much everyone who is at the base of Trump supporters. In which case he should be leading Trump 100% to 0% in the polls.

Right.

The comparison should be between women who were never pregnant, doing the same job, same hours as men.

Yeah that's the thing, I have never seen statistical data on same job and hours. There is just this broad generalization that the problem is rampant, yet very few actual examples. Plus if you get caught doing it you'll certainly pay for it with bad publicity. I think this issue is over-exaggerated like a lot of issues coming from the left.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

The gender pay gap, is it a myth or not?

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@Seven Sanders might be the most respectable of the bunch but that doesn't mean that his presidency wouldn't be just as disastrous, jimmy Carter comes to mind

 

[Seven]

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@Seven Sanders might be the most respectable of the bunch but that doesn't mean that his presidency wouldn't be just as disastrous, jimmy Carter comes to mind

True. Sanders definitely isn't the ideal candidate. But the others look like sheer evil.

 

[GordoDeCentral]

True. Sanders definitely isn't the ideal candidate. But the others look like sheer evil.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and hubris

 

[Bjerknes]

But it's never as easy as that is it? You can almost never compare the two. You'd have to compare the entire career. For example a woman might not have worked for a year because of a pregnancy. This means she has 1 less year experience and might be paid less accordingly.

Plus you do not receive full pay when you're out on FMLA if you've exhausted all benefits.

 

[Quetzalcoatl]

Right.



Yeah that's the thing, I have never seen statistical data on same job and hours. There is just this broad generalization that the problem is rampant, yet very few actual examples. Plus if you get caught doing it you'll certainly pay for it with bad publicity. I think this issue is over-exaggerated like a lot of issues coming from the left.

Probably. I don't think it's really about discrimination at least

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@Seven Sanders might be the most respectable of the bunch but that doesn't mean that his presidency wouldn't be just as disastrous, jimmy Carter comes to mind

Why do you always think I'm trolling?

 

[Ocelot]

The gender pay gap, is it a myth or not?

In the way it is sometimes presented ("women make 77 cents on the dollar for the same work as men") it is certainly a myth. Then again, only idiots or strawman arguments report it that way.

In most developed countries, it is rather rare that a man and a woman performing the exact same job are payed different wages. But that doesn't mean that there is no sexism, just that there are different factors in play creating the massive difference between overall income of men and women. Some might argue that those factors have nothing to do with sexism, but I'd disagree there.

For example, women are much less likely to be promoted to executive positions than men - those being of course the highest paid. A second very important factor is that most industries dominated by women are much lower paid than most industries dominated by men. Here you could perhaps say that it's their own fault for choosing such career paths, but in reality those choices are very often influenced by social expectations/pressure (something backed up by numerous studies even going back to children in primary school age). Also, since women are in most households expected to take care of the children, women often can only take on part-time work, with significantly lower income and promotion opportunities.

It's still a lot more complicated than that, but that's basically my view on the whole thing.

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Isn't that weird though? You're a white middle class christian - "I'm a white male, age 18 to 49. Everyone listens to me -- no matter how dumb my suggestions are".

That quote convienently forgets arguably the most important part - C.R.E.A.M.

I'd say that a pretty large portion of white America has the right to feel disenfranchised to some degree, though it'd be still smaller than the corresponding sections of minorities.

 

[Seven]

You do realise Homer Simpson said that, right?

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[Ocelot]

I know my simpsons

But the way you quoted it made me think you threw it in as a genuine discussion point

 

[Fr3sh]

Looking forward to the balkanization of the United States of America.

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42 new countries in North America. :xfinger:

 

[Bjerknes]

That quote convienently forgets arguably the most important part - C.R.E.A.M.

Get the money, dolla dolla bill ya'll.

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Looking forward to the balkanization of the United States of America.

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42 new countries in North America. :xfinger:

That will be awesome. I would move to Texas.

 

[Fr3sh]

If it were to happen, hopefully it'll be peacefully.