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Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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Endless amount of morons vote on an absolute asshole, because he makes it a point to showcase what a retarded ass he is every time? Bizzare. So lets see the political goals he promises....He will build a wall, ban muslims from entering the country, deport mexicans, did I miss anything else that got a heehaw from the bigoted plebs he panders to?



The GOP started with how many candidates? And they only have 1 sane semi decent politically savvy candidate in Rand? How the fvck can you not get barely acceptable politicians? I would mentionned Kasich too, but it seemed like he dissappeared eons ago.
It's funny how you say Kasich is somewhat decent. The reality is that he's another Wall Street hawk. He would be terrible.

No $#@!.

Even if he does mean everything he says (and I really wouldn't bank on him to follow through on most of his demands, Trump paradoxically seems highly opportunistic to me), what he says are mostly bizarre and stupid/shortsighted things.
I look at it in a different way. Again, Trump has no reason being in politics. He was big friends with the Democrats in New York and elsewhere, making a fortune out of real estate deals he couldn't obtain without being cordial with the Liberals. I'm not sure what exactly he will gain monetarily from the Presidency, especially if he takes down his former friends. Some say he will enrich his other friends; maybe so. But from those other angles, some believe he truly does care about the country. But in my view, he is shortsighted in a lot of areas -- especially foreign policy.


Also, is there anything you don't blame on Obama?

I mean if you're gonna argue that the rise of ISIS is primarily the result of US/Western intervention, the Iraq invasion is a much much better starting point than this funding, where it's highly debatebale how much of it actually reached ISIS or if it was in any way crucial for their development. But of course, that doesn't fit your narrative.

And Trump can be blamed much more on the radicalisation of the Republican party over the past decade really, as well as mass media that's completely off its hinges.

Of course Obama and his adminstration is far from perfect, but the blame you put on him is getting ridiculous.
The Iraq war was certainly part of it. But the stability of Northern Africa was utterly destroyed beginning in Libya, moving East across the continent to Egypt where the country seemingly still has not recovered. Obama almost bombed the Assad regime until military servicemen declined to be Al Qaeda's air force. Quite clearly there is more at play than just asinine foreign policy decisions -- this is about regime change across the Middle East, and clearly it's gotten out of control now -- on Obama's watch, mind you. And by the way, my "narrative" has always been indict Bush and Cheney for war crimes, so you need to think outside of the box and get out of this left-right paradigm.

What do you mean by radicalization? You don't think it's pretty radical to invade countries that had no part in attacking us while at the same time protecting the true culprits because they have the oil? Or is it because the left sort of agrees with it as well, along with the Patriot Act? The Republican party now is far more sane than after 2001, even despite their anti-immgration rhetoric.
 

Quetzalcoatl

It ain't hard to tell
Aug 22, 2007
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The Iraq war was certainly part of it. But the stability of Northern Africa was utterly destroyed beginning in Libya, moving East across the continent to Egypt where the country seemingly still has not recovered. Obama almost bombed the Assad regime until military servicemen declined to be Al Qaeda's air force. Quite clearly there is more at play than just asinine foreign policy decisions -- this is about regime change across the Middle East, and clearly it's gotten out of control now -- on Obama's watch, mind you. And by the way, my "narrative" has always been indict Bush and Cheney for war crimes, so you need to think outside of the box and get out of this left-right paradigm.

What do you mean by radicalization? You don't think it's pretty radical to invade countries that had no part in attacking us while at the same time protecting the true culprits because they have the oil? Or is it because the left sort of agrees with it as well, along with the Patriot Act? The Republican party now is far more sane than after 2001, even despite their anti-immgration rhetoric.
:tup:
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,342
It's funny how you say Kasich is somewhat decent. The reality is that he's another Wall Street hawk. He would be terrible.



I look at it in a different way. Again, Trump has no reason being in politics. He was big friends with the Democrats in New York and elsewhere, making a fortune out of real estate deals he couldn't obtain without being cordial with the Liberals. I'm not sure what exactly he will gain monetarily from the Presidency, especially if he takes down his former friends. Some say he will enrich his other friends; maybe so. But from those other angles, some believe he truly does care about the country. But in my view, he is shortsighted in a lot of areas -- especially foreign policy.




The Iraq war was certainly part of it. But the stability of Northern Africa was utterly destroyed beginning in Libya, moving East across the continent to Egypt where the country seemingly still has not recovered. Obama almost bombed the Assad regime until military servicemen declined to be Al Qaeda's air force. Quite clearly there is more at play than just asinine foreign policy decisions -- this is about regime change across the Middle East, and clearly it's gotten out of control now -- on Obama's watch, mind you. And by the way, my "narrative" has always been indict Bush and Cheney for war crimes, so you need to think outside of the box and get out of this left-right paradigm.

What do you mean by radicalization? You don't think it's pretty radical to invade countries that had no part in attacking us while at the same time protecting the true culprits because they have the oil? Or is it because the left sort of agrees with it as well, along with the Patriot Act? The Republican party now is far more sane than after 2001, even despite their anti-immgration rhetoric.
I struggle to see how one would get the impression Trump cares. He seems to lack basic empathy. Also, he looks like the president of a dystopian future movie.
 

icemaη

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Aug 27, 2008
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Congress snuck a surveillance bill into the federal budget last night

http://www.theverge.com/2015/12/16/10288182/cisa-surveillance-cyber-security-budget-proposal

How's this possible in a sane country? Add a bill which couldn't be passed into another which has absolutely nothing to do with the former and hold the government to ransom. So it's either government shutdown or a surveillance state. On top of that the members of Congress has 48 hours to read, comprehend and respond to a 2000 page document.
Does this happen in other developed countries? I'm curious. I won't be surprised if it does though.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,342
icemaη;5162785 said:
Congress snuck a surveillance bill into the federal budget last night

http://www.theverge.com/2015/12/16/10288182/cisa-surveillance-cyber-security-budget-proposal

How's this possible in a sane country? Add a bill which couldn't be passed into another which has absolutely nothing to do with the former and hold the government to ransom. So it's either government shutdown or a surveillance state. On top of that the members of Congress has 48 hours to read, comprehend and respond to a 2000 page document.
Does this happen in other developed countries? I'm curious. I won't be surprised if it does though.
Look up Texas Law of Parties. Legally some parts of the US are in the dark ages. So anything goes really.
 

Hust

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
icemaη;5162785 said:
Congress snuck a surveillance bill into the federal budget last night

http://www.theverge.com/2015/12/16/10288182/cisa-surveillance-cyber-security-budget-proposal

How's this possible in a sane country? Add a bill which couldn't be passed into another which has absolutely nothing to do with the former and hold the government to ransom. So it's either government shutdown or a surveillance state. On top of that the members of Congress has 48 hours to read, comprehend and respond to a 2000 page document.
Does this happen in other developed countries? I'm curious. I won't be surprised if it does though.
The government shutdown is a joke. 83% of the government still goes to work, and the other 17% gets all the back pay when it reopens and business goes on as usual. All it is is a vacation for the 17%. I know this because my wife was a victim of the last sequester and she had a week and a half off and then paid for that time when the government "reopened".

But yeah, our government right now (Congress included) is an absolute joke. The government shutdown is nothing more than a political battle at this point on which side is going to send people packing on a vacation yet its sold to the people that one side or the other is going to be responsible for them not getting paid while on vacation.
 

Enron

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Oct 11, 2005
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The even shittier thing is that the 911 first responders bill took forever to pass. Couldn't pass on its own because Mitch Fuck Face McConnell had to use it as political leverage. Meanwhile dudes are cancer ridden walking around around Capital Hill asking for money, and the bill still isn't permanent.
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
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The even shittier thing is that the 911 first responders bill took forever to pass. Couldn't pass on its own because Mitch Fuck Face McConnell had to use it as political leverage. Meanwhile dudes are cancer ridden walking around around Capital Hill asking for money, and the bill still isn't permanent.
Yeah saw it on daily show, it was INFURIATING to see it unfold. Quite sickening to, that of the panel of several guys that were on the show 5 years ago to garner support for care for first responders, only one of them was alive or healthy enough to be back on the show this time. But its nice to hear it passed. Jon deserve big props for his neverending support :tup:





Its sad this above needs to happen, again might I add, for Congress to do their damn job...I mean FFS how is it remotely contentious, people who risked their lives to save others, in general, just not a big tragedy, should get frigging health care covered :groan:


Its not permanent? So they have to beg for what they should gotten permanently long ago in another 5 years?
 

Enron

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Oct 11, 2005
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Yeah saw it on daily show, it was INFURIATING to see it unfold. Quite sickening to, that of the panel of several guys that were on the show 5 years ago to garner support for care for first responders, only one of them was alive or healthy enough to be back on the show this time. But its nice to hear it passed. Jon deserve big props for his neverending support :tup:





Its said this above needs to happen, again might I add, for Congress to do their damn job...I mean FFS how is it remotely contentious, people who risked their lives to save others, in general, just not a big tragedy, should get frigging health care covered :groan:
Yep and that too was included in yesterday's bill. But could have been passed 6 months ago. They do it as well with military spending and things of that nature as well. Put together some poison pill quick fix budget bill and then attach the 911 payments or some new outhouses for the troops and say "If you don't take this crappy bill, you hate 'Murica".
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
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:sergio: How arent people holding these morons responsible for their callousness and ineptitude? Not taking care of their servicemen and first responders. They have constituets in their states that should go ape on them when things like that happen.
 

Hust

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,703
Of course it is. Rather than actually come up with solutions the can is kicked as far as the idiots are willing to kick it.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,342
:sergio: How arent people holding these morons responsible for their callousness and ineptitude? Not taking care of their servicemen and first responders. They have constituets in their states that should go ape on them when things like that happen.
Dude.

You should check this out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony_murder_rule#United_States

Combined with the death penalty that means for example Texas executes people for a murder they didn't commit and had no intention of committing. I mean, this rule is so incredibly stupid that I refused to believe it at first. And those people have the audacity to comment on sharia law?
 

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