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Juventino[RUS]

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Mar 9, 2006
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That's not what I mean. There are lots of black people who can act and speak in whatever way you want.

But wasn't Obama's mother white? And he was born on Hawai and spent a big part of his childhood in Indonesia. What I'm saying is that Obama was a highly privileged man who did not exactly experience the same childhood as most African Americans.
 

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ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
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That's not what I mean. There are lots of black people who can act and speak in whatever way you want.

But wasn't Obama's mother white? And he was born on Hawai and spent a big part of his childhood in Indonesia. What I'm saying is that Obama was a highly privileged man who did not exactly experience the same childhood as most African Americans.
So? He's still black.
 

Ocelot

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Jul 13, 2013
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That's not what I mean. There are lots of black people who can act and speak in whatever way you want.

But wasn't Obama's mother white? And he was born on Hawai and spent a big part of his childhood in Indonesia. What I'm saying is that Obama was a highly privileged man who did not exactly experience the same childhood as most African Americans.
Without getting into details, I feel that the racial inequalities in the US are much more socio-economic differences that due to race. Poor caucasian Americans very often face the exact same problems as African Americans do, with African Americans however being disproportionally worse off economically due to mostly historical reasons. Still, the high rates of unemployment, drug addiction, crime, low levels of social mobility, etc. African Americans face are to a large extent simply due to them being poor than them being black in my opinion.
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
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Apr 14, 2005
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Without getting into details, I feel that the racial inequalities in the US are much more socio-economic differences that due to race. Poor caucasian Americans very often face the exact same problems as African Americans do, with African Americans however being disproportionally worse off economically due to mostly historical reasons. Still, the high rates of unemployment, drug addiction, crime, low levels of social mobility, etc. African Americans face are to a large extent simply due to them being poor than them being black in my opinion.

:tup:

it's also very cultural with a charged up history, you know this chappelle skit captures it perfectly imo

 

Hust

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
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That's not what I mean. There are lots of black people who can act and speak in whatever way you want.

But wasn't Obama's mother white? And he was born on Hawai and spent a big part of his childhood in Indonesia. What I'm saying is that Obama was a highly privileged man who did not exactly experience the same childhood as most African Americans.
Yep, she is white.
 

Hust

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,702
Without getting into details, I feel that the racial inequalities in the US are much more socio-economic differences that due to race. Poor caucasian Americans very often face the exact same problems as African Americans do, with African Americans however being disproportionally worse off economically due to mostly historical reasons. Still, the high rates of unemployment, drug addiction, crime, low levels of social mobility, etc. African Americans face are to a large extent simply due to them being poor than them being black in my opinion.
Black people have more opportunities than whites because of Affirmative Action IMO and still you see so many issues coming from that portion of the population.

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My point is that Obama was presented as a huge victory for equality.

While in reality he could have been any 50 year old white politician.
I don't disagree. But it should be known that one parent was white.

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And apparently Trump is leading the polls even more after last night :shifty:
 

GordoDeCentral

Diez
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Apr 14, 2005
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Black people have more opportunities than whites because of Affirmative Action IMO and still you see so many issues coming from that portion of the population.

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I don't disagree. But it should be known that one parent was white.
translation: those people :D

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Black people have more opportunities than whites because of Affirmative Action IMO and still you see so many issues coming from that portion of the population.

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I don't disagree. But it should be known that one parent was white.

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And apparently Trump is leading the polls even more after last night :shifty:
do you vote?
 

ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
46,524
you're only black if you axe questions
:lol:

My point is that Obama was presented as a huge victory for equality.

While in reality he could have been any 50 year old white politician.
I see what you mean. It was a big step in getting someone who wasn't a white man in the office tho. It shows that if you try hard enough you can become president, even if you're not white. That's a big statement imo. No one's saying it should've been 50 cent in order to make that statement.
 

Hust

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
93,702
but do you vote to get people in office? also do you se yourself running one day?
Oh, I thought you asked if I voted in the poll last night. Sorry :D


yes I do vote in elections and no I don't wanna run since I have about 60,000 posts online :D
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,307
I see what you mean. It was a big step in getting someone who wasn't a white man in the office tho. It shows that if you try hard enough you can become president, even if you're not white. That's a big statement imo. No one's saying it should've been 50 cent in order to make that statement.

I know. But I can't help but be a little disappointed when it turned out to be a slightly darker version of every other politician.
 

swag

L'autista
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Sep 23, 2003
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That's not what I mean. There are lots of black people who can act and speak in whatever way you want.

But wasn't Obama's mother white? And he was born on Hawai and spent a big part of his childhood in Indonesia. What I'm saying is that Obama was a highly privileged man who did not exactly experience the same childhood as most African Americans.
Yes, she was white. And Tiger Woods' mom was Thai. So I'm not sure of the point in that.

Sure, he didn't follow what's considered the mainline of American black experience. But it's that same logic that has many African-Americans saying African-Africans "aren't black."

The trouble with this logic is double-sided. On the one hand, most people generally know that stereotyping a black person isn't the right thing to do.

But when people are disqualifying a black person because they have a college education, they don't talk in jive, they listen to (or play) country music, they have a decent job, the men participate in their children's lives, they marry a non-black person, etc., then you get blacks branding themselves with negative stereotypes. Either you live up to the drug-addled, alcoholic felon stereotype or we disown you in our black culture.

Uncle Tom-ing is just another form of racist stereotyping, except it's often blacks against themselves.

There are parallels in feminism. There's the idea that we live in a rape culture, all heterosexual contact is rape, and anything less is a sellout to women's advancement. And then there's the idea that feminism gives a woman the right to be accepted as a stay-at-home mom if she wants, to be a prostitute if she wants, to marry a husband and take his last name if she wants.

So the question becomes which side is more empowering? The one that believes blacks should only live up to negative stereotypes to be accepted? Or the one that recognizes that black people are capable of much more of than that?
 

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