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Tickle Me
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Indeed - still, all things added up there is still no comparison for conservatives having to battle their way around social media to voice their opinions and wondering when they will get banned. College campuses are no longer areas for free thought. Instead, you shell out 40,000 and worry about pissing off a professor because you think politically different than they do. You even have conservative professors writing open letters to their peers as an anonymous person because they know they will be fired if they disagree. I am sure that you can name plenty of examples on the other side, that's what you're eluding too, which is fine but IMO there is absolutely no comparison.

You can find numerous examples of leftie professors openly advocating extreme positions and even to the point of violence yet THEY will be safe in their careers. As soon as a professor with a conservative opinion says hold on, let's look at this maybe like this and BOOM, cancel culture circles the wagon around that guy/girl until the university/company succumbs to the pressure to remove the person.
would you say you feel the system is against you?
 

kappa96

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Jun 20, 2018
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the left definitely have the upper hand on social media, for sure. and the college campus stuff is ridiculous. fuck cancel culture (even tho no one really gets canceled).

I think we both know that conservatives are excellent at putting some crazy provocative stuff into the ether and the faking shock when it flies back in their faces
They are not getting canceled but some are forced to quit or abandon their principles.
In my country this made the headlines a couple of months ago.

https://www.romania-insider.com/index.php/andrei-serban-explains-quitting-columbia
 

Hust

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
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of course not, you know your right to free speech only extends to not being persecuted or restricted by the government

I was referring the societal system ie. social media, cancel culture, etc
Depends on the platform: Twitter I would say does for sure once you achieve a large enough audience where opinions can potentially be swayed. Some schools are worse than others, so I can't say the entire academic system is. I will say, however, that it's not nearly "against" us as many on the left would like it to be but its certainly slowly crawling that way. If the left really was for free speech they wouldn't be have so much vitriol towards people that didn't agree with them. Personally, as a conservative I'm more than happy to have a diplomatic discussion with people that don't agree with me. Some of you are better at that than others though :p

If you are a Hollywood actor that is conservative, you probably feel "that" system is against you.
 
Apr 17, 2013
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Just to be sure I understand you fully, first disclaimer: I'M NOT TRYING to BULLY YOU. You saying you voting for Trump, specifically BECAUSE Biden is the racist one? Is this correct?
Someone who says "a black man can't be black if he votes for trump", isn't racist for you?
He locks the blacks in a box and makes essentialism, by distinguishing the "good blacks" from the "bad blacks" and denying them any possibility of thinking for themselves.
 

Osman

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Someone who says "a black man can't be black if he votes for trump", isn't racist for you?
He locks the blacks in a box and makes essentialism, by distinguishing the "good blacks" from the "bad blacks" and denying them any possibility of thinking for themselves.

He is a fucking moron, slimebag career politician who is shamelessly virtue signaling votes his way any way he can, there is zero doubt this goofy idiot isnt a bigot too. But GTFO to anyone who even for a seconds thinks Trump isnt way more racist then that geriatric uncle :rofl:


Its Monthy Python level absurdist parody to litterally say you are voting for Trump because his opponent is racist. I GENUINELY looking forward to someone explaining this to me, because yeah your post isnt it.
 

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Depends on the platform: Twitter I would say does for sure once you achieve a large enough audience where opinions can potentially be swayed. Some schools are worse than others, so I can't say the entire academic system is. I will say, however, that it's not nearly "against" us as many on the left would like it to be but its certainly slowly crawling that way. If the left really was for free speech they wouldn't be have so much vitriol towards people that didn't agree with them. Personally, as a conservative I'm more than happy to have a diplomatic discussion with people that don't agree with me. Some of you are better at that than others though :p

If you are a Hollywood actor that is conservative, you probably feel "that" system is against you.
lol yeah that’s true, I think some people view a simple difference of opinion as an assault on ideals, can’t be very fun to go through life like that
 

Ronn

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May 3, 2012
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Trump’s re-election should not really be about race but gross incompetence. The guy thought COVID-19 is a hoax by democrats to defeat him.

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@Hustini do you see the reaction to NFL players kneeling as cancel culture too?
 
Apr 17, 2013
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Its Monthy Python level absurdist parody to litterally say you are voting for Trump because his opponent is racist. I GENUINELY looking forward to someone explaining this to me, because yeah your post isnt it.
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I am not going to make a contest although I find the sentence of Biden extremely shocking (to remove any intelligence to a black who would vote for trump), it's so patronizing.
I am not contradicting the fact that Trump is racist, just the fact of presenting on one side Trump as Hitler's grandson and on the other side Saint Biden, defender of the oppressed is false.


cant they both be racist?
Agree.
 

Hust

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@Hustini do you see the reaction to NFL players kneeling as cancel culture too?
The anger for kneeling by conservatives or the anger by the players to respond by kneeling?

There is a time and place to protest, my opinion is that it's not during the national anthem, but, that is their right so who am I to say they can't? I simply don't agree with it, but I won't hold it against them for protesting a cause. I do not think, for example, is in the case of the US men's NT, is to take an official stance to it. If some want to, fine, if the team wants to, fine but don't take sides as an organization.

I ask initially, because I'm not sure what you're referring to. Kapernick for example, you could argue was "canceled" but he has been given other opportunities, to re-try out but if I recall his demands were a bit diva like. Don't quote me on that because I honestly can't remember so shooting from memory here, referring to a try out he did at a high school or something like that.

Per the players in the NFL...these guys make millions upon millions to play a game and paid by a large section of the population they claim alienates and systematically oppresses them. If they really wanted to implement change that impacts their population I would think they'd take their millions and live in the rough communities they came out of and reinvest to help youth in those areas. That's my take. Granted, I know a lot of these mega-athletes do donate millions already or set up really good charities which is awesome. But at the same time, there is a lot more they could do with that money if they really wanted to make a difference but its nice to see many of them at least giving it an effort to give back.

Conservatives that are pissed off about the kneeling need to deal with it, its one thing to not like the form/timing of the protest, but to outright say they can't do it is wrong. Kneeling for the anthem is a peaceful protest 100% their right as per the Constitution. If people really don't like it, they will tune it out/change the channel/or stop paying for tickets.

The cancel culture does more harm than good and that goes for both sides.
 
Apr 17, 2013
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The left has lost the vote of the white middle classes, its electorate are the winning populations of globalization who live on the coasts, and the defense of minorities (lgbt and black latinos) even if it means saying segregationist remark like Biden who think he is owner of the Afro American electorate.
 

Ronn

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The anger for kneeling by conservatives or the anger by the players to respond by kneeling?

There is a time and place to protest, my opinion is that it's not during the national anthem, but, that is their right so who am I to say they can't? I simply don't agree with it, but I won't hold it against them for protesting a cause. I do not think, for example, is in the case of the US men's NT, is to take an official stance to it. If some want to, fine, if the team wants to, fine but don't take sides as an organization.

I ask initially, because I'm not sure what you're referring to. Kapernick for example, you could argue was "canceled" but he has been given other opportunities, to re-try out but if I recall his demands were a bit diva like. Don't quote me on that because I honestly can't remember so shooting from memory here, referring to a try out he did at a high school or something like that.

Per the players in the NFL...these guys make millions upon millions to play a game and paid by a large section of the population they claim alienates and systematically oppresses them. If they really wanted to implement change that impacts their population I would think they'd take their millions and live in the rough communities they came out of and reinvest to help youth in those areas. That's my take. Granted, I know a lot of these mega-athletes do donate millions already or set up really good charities which is awesome. But at the same time, there is a lot more they could do with that money if they really wanted to make a difference but its nice to see many of them at least giving it an effort to give back.

Conservatives that are pissed off about the kneeling need to deal with it, its one thing to not like the form/timing of the protest, but to outright say they can't do it is wrong. Kneeling for the anthem is a peaceful protest 100% their right as per the Constitution. If people really don't like it, they will tune it out/change the channel/or stop paying for tickets.

The cancel culture does more harm than good and that goes for both sides.
:tup:
I was referring to conservative anger over kneeling. Many boycotted the NFL, Trump put a lot of pressure on them, which ultimately forced NFL to ban it.
for the record I don’t agree with that form of protest either.
And there was also “shut up and dribble” episode.
 

Hust

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:tup:
I was referring to conservative anger over kneeling. Many boycotted the NFL, Trump put a lot of pressure on them, which ultimately forced NFL to ban it.
for the record I don’t agree with that form of protest either.
And there was also “shut up and dribble” episode.
Personally, I wouldn't have boycotted it. I don't watch football (used to when I was a kid) but once I started playing "soccer" I lost interest. It's their right to boycott, but don't tell the players how to protest. Same goes the other way though. Trump could have said he disagreed with it and left it there. He only fanned the flames (and still does, unforutnately). People are smart enough to decide what is right and wrong in their own minds, they don't need anyone, even a President, to tell them how to feel.
 

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