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Yeah, Bernie is off his rocker with a lot of this stuff, and so is the young, “progressive for the sake of being progressive”, wing of the Democratic Party (AOC, etc). I still think even with Bernie they’d end up doing very little of what he’s talking about. Even with a wealth tax, inheritance tax, and small rise back up in corporate tax, it’s not feasible. And congress, even democratic, will not pass a quarter of what he wants.
Sometimes I wonder if some of these progressive spending plans modelled on European social democrat type countries realize the unique challenges facing countries the geographical size of Canada/US... it’s just not feasible to implement a lot of the stuff that goes on over there, even if a fair amount of it would be fantastic for the average citizen. Reality is important.
There's no other country in the world like the United States, but there are plenty of Democratic socialist or socialist governments across the globe. There's nothing wrong with keeping a little diversity in the global mix of governmental and economic systems.
And Trump is creating bigger government deficits than Obama by gifting massive tax breaks to corporations and the rich.
Hardly the small government/balanced budget he promised.
Bernie may be a screwball, but considering you voted for Trump, you hardly have a reason to be ridiculing those who support Bernie. Opposite extremes of American politics, Trump and Bernie.
Hardly the small government/balanced budget he promised.
Bernie may be a screwball, but considering you voted for Trump, you hardly have a reason to be ridiculing those who support Bernie. Opposite extremes of American politics, Trump and Bernie.
and muricans will reelect this creature
The Democrats have become anti-free speech, pro-war (or at least maintaining wars), and are sliding towards socialism. The stuff that used to make the Democrats good no longer exists.
Well, the economy is primarily what I vote on. Trump's economic policies are generally not what I agree with, but at the end of the day he's still better for the economy than any Democrat in the running, especially Bernie Sanders. At the very least he's not going to raise my taxes by a ridiculous amount to fund some silly social programs.
Yeah nothing wrong with that.
Hopefully both parties start concentrating more on their policies and less on these weird political performances that really serve no purpose. Sadly meme-politics seem to be coming to Europe too so I doubt it will get much better any time soon. We live in an age where drama and division sells.
Hopefully both parties start concentrating more on their policies and less on these weird political performances that really serve no purpose. Sadly meme-politics seem to be coming to Europe too so I doubt it will get much better any time soon. We live in an age where drama and division sells.
Boys, let’s not forget that politics by definition is all a game. It’s all a popularity contest. Politicians say anything to get your vote, and do anything to get your money to get elected. Then once in office, they still want your money to use it for programs... to get re-elected. Folks are upset over the disparaging rhetoric between the two clown parties, but why does it matter? These people aren’t gods, and no, holding office isn’t some sort of prestigious thing nowadays. They’re nothing but scam artists trying to take your money. So let them make fools of themselves so that people not in the loop can figure out we don’t need big, bloated, buffoon governments.
And this is why, regardless of whether revisionism and history have not been kind to him because of the Lewinsky + perjury sex scandal and subsequent impeachment, Bill Clinton presided over the best (in my opinion) presidency of recent times. This isn’t a Defense of Hillary, nor a Defense of every single one of Clinton’s policies (3 strikes policy a notable mistake). But he used economic boom times to deal with the US deficit and create budget surpluses, focus education, social services, and health care spending better, and unlike Reagan and Bush, he actually did lower bloated government size. But Bill was never really a progressive anyways, was as far centre as Democrats go, which I wish at least some dems would figure discover again. The amount of focus on the should be incredibly minor issue of identity politics is absolutely absurd.
Is he really though if he's ballooning the deficit (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/28/federal-deficit-one-trillion-trump-107901) and real wage growth remains horrifically depressed (https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/realer.pdf) along with interest rates? Sure the markets are up, but what does that really mean for the majority of people if they're essentially paying for it?
I don't buy this whole "Trump is good for the economy" story being peddled at all, especially long term.
I don't buy this whole "Trump is good for the economy" story being peddled at all, especially long term.
I understand all of that, and have been concerned about this topic for a decade now. But it’s clear no American politician will have the testicular fortitude to cut spending so that the aforementioned issues are addressed. Clearly, the Democrats are far less capable of cutting spending, especially as they trend towards Democratic Socialism, Socialism, whatever you want to call it. So again, it’s always about choosing the lesser of two evils with theses freaks, so it’s just a lost cause at this point. I’m always going to vote to protect my investments and economic concerns before anything else.
You can argue that... but the last two democratic presidents have lowered the federal deficit from the time of entering office to leaving. And Obama did this while having to bring the US out of recession. The Clinton admin inherited the Reagan and then Bush deficit that had pushed up to 255 billion, and managed to have a 128 billion budget surplus when leaving office. Bush Jr managed to turn that into a 1.4 trillion budget deficit, which Obama lowered to ~585 billion when he left office. And now Trump has pushed the deficit back up to 1 trillion. And this, after promising to eliminate federal debt.
While you can argue that campaign promises from the current democrats look ridiculous from a budgetary and deficit standpoint and I certainly agree... in lived experience, the republicans have been easily as bad, if not worse, in terms of reckless deficit spending. And spending it on things that benefit a far lesser percentage of the populace.
Partisanship allows this though, to some extent. The myth of democratic socialist overspending and republican fiscal conservatism plays an odd role. Republican congress always blasts democratic administration spending, so they are held accountable and forced to compromise there, which during Obama and Clinton admins led to reducing deficits year by year... whereas republicans admins are never held accountable by either party in congress with regards to spending (democrats don't want cuts to education/health care/social programs, and republicans don't want to criticize republican admins), and generally make significant tax cuts leading to ballooning deficit spending. I'm of the opinion a democratic white house and republican senate is the ideal thing, if these fuckwits can get over partisan squabbling and actually work together through compromise. Unfortunately this is getting more and more impossible.
While you can argue that campaign promises from the current democrats look ridiculous from a budgetary and deficit standpoint and I certainly agree... in lived experience, the republicans have been easily as bad, if not worse, in terms of reckless deficit spending. And spending it on things that benefit a far lesser percentage of the populace.
Partisanship allows this though, to some extent. The myth of democratic socialist overspending and republican fiscal conservatism plays an odd role. Republican congress always blasts democratic administration spending, so they are held accountable and forced to compromise there, which during Obama and Clinton admins led to reducing deficits year by year... whereas republicans admins are never held accountable by either party in congress with regards to spending (democrats don't want cuts to education/health care/social programs, and republicans don't want to criticize republican admins), and generally make significant tax cuts leading to ballooning deficit spending. I'm of the opinion a democratic white house and republican senate is the ideal thing, if these fuckwits can get over partisan squabbling and actually work together through compromise. Unfortunately this is getting more and more impossible.
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Not sure where those figures come from, honestly. Doesn’t match what I’ve seen and in fact it’s contrary to MSM reports. Everyone knows government spending skyrocketed after 2009, that was the only way to keep the markets up after the credit crunch. Typically, Democrats tax more, Repubs tax less. Why should I agree to sending more money to the government when they never spend it wisely or can’t even agree to reducing the deficit. The whole notion of this is absurd, and I want to pay zero taxes because these people are fucks.
Nah. Sorry if my post came across as me claiming lowered cumulative debt. When I wrote "deficit" I meant annual, and then debt as overall, but I should have clarified. Of course overall debt still skyrocketed. Obama added a crazy ~8 trillion to overall debt over his 8 year presidency. But annual deficits were slashed from the massive deficit spending (~1.5 trillion) used at the start of the Obama term to jumpstart the economy after the last great Bush recession. So, yes, Obama still massively increased overall deficit. But the trillion dollar annual deficits were slashed to year by year to the 550 billion deficit spend in his last year. Trump has now pushed annual deficit spending back up to 1 trillion this year, after around 800 million last year. And current financial predictions are Trump will add another 8 trillion to the US debt over the 8 years if he gets reelected. And this while inheriting a growing economy, almost fully recovered from the big recession of the late '00s. I'd hate to see what the Trump admin would do to the federal debt if we find ourselves in a recession during a hypothetical second term. It wouldn't be pretty at all imo, considering the deficit spending going on right now during strong economic growth.
So Bernie will win Iowa, after the DNC withheld the results for 3 days, and Pete declaring victory after they released 62% of the result showing him leading the race which resulted in him spiking in New Hampshire for 9 points.
The DNC corruption is astounding, well at least we saw Pelosi tearing a sheet of paper, go queen
The DNC corruption is astounding, well at least we saw Pelosi tearing a sheet of paper, go queen
