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[Zacheryah]

Yes, they are especially familiar with science and in particular climate science and evolution theories. Fox news is the most reliable, trustworthy and unbiased source on the planet with the exception of Breitbart news. The "modern" conservatives are all hardworking, law abiding citizens who objectively evaluate the deficiencies of the socio-economic state and propose efficient and effective solutions in order to fix it.
Amen.

Interesting that from the insane amount of actual issues, you picked these two. Cherrypicking, as actual problems are too much for you.

Evolution.
There is an issue, but its very relative. And as a MSc in Biochemisty, i've seen quite too much about this issue.

- Some, elder, conservatives who are devote christians or jew dont follow the believe in evolution. those are dying out. But is it an issue, do they pose a treath to the new generation ? ?
Nah, at best they want to have schools offer both creatisionism and evolution. Unless private jew scholes, but they can chose what they give. Its not a big issue

The big issue is Islam. There is a growing thing of so called "islam scientist" who try to reject evolution in various ways, trying to give poor counter arguments, or argue about an intelligent design.
We've seen this extended, Brackman is a known name in this field, on how to demolish such bullshit and explain why evolution is true.


Climate Change

This is a very interesting point, as it kinda hows how terrible poorly informed you are about the issue, what you read, what is the actual situation, and what the impact of america is.

- The climate changing is a consistantly happening thing. We went from very hot (Jurrassic, 35-45°C in europe/US) from an ice age, back to where we are. The climate has been slowly heating for the past centuries.
- CO2 is a greenhouse gas, such as methane for example (hence, the ecological impact of eating meat as cows produce ALOT of methane through intestinal gas, (yes, farts)).
- The earth has various buffering mechanisms.
- When the average global temperature rises 0.5 - 5.0°C , we have solid theories on what will happen at every 0.5°C increase.

The above is what we actually know. What we dont know is :

- What is the exact impact of CO2 at which quantity ? How much is our impact on this ? How much increased CO2 can the earth buffer out ?

In therms of CO2 output, what we do know is :

- The single biggest issue, is navel transportation. Namely cargo and container ships, using residual oil.
- Second and third world country's output of CO2, fine dust, sulfer and coal related shit, dwarfs what the US and europe put out. Especially china and asia.



What is the actual republican agenda ?

- The facts too limited. We know the climate is ever changing but we dont know how much we impact it. (this is true, as the studies are incoherent as i mentionned above)
- We arent even remotely the largest issue, look at china.
- We arent going to cripple our economy unless there is indeniable evidence and the other countries follow along.



There where tho other cases of "huge climate impacts" in the past, which were found to be way over reacted and nothing serious at the end. I can look those up if you want more info.



Meanwhile. Musk was in the tech meeting with the other companies who met trump. Tesla and SolarCity merged after all, which is an insane risk considering the financial status of SolarCity. Just saying.

 

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[Bjerknes]

You don't have inside sources. You are just another moron who fell for his antics.

As for what happened to Ivanka. Obviously that's not something I condone. In fact it's probably the number one reason why I'm against Trump. It's also very convenient that this happens when Trump is widely criticized for creating a mob mentality that reminds of 1930's Germany.

At the very least it's rich coming from Trump supporters. At the worst the whole thing was staged.

You sound like Keith Olbermann on anti-depressants. It's really sad, bro.

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I'm not a fan of Trump. But i'm a fan of conservative libertarianism.

The thing i like about Trump is that he isnt politically correct, and the insane revelating of all the $#@! democrats did and do, exposing them.

I'm not a fan of his economic view. My utopia is a 100% free economy with 0 goverment regulations and no minimum wage. however, with china devaluating their currency and creating a huge trade deficit, and the amount of low cost jobs moving there, i'd really like to see what effect trumps economic model has on that.
i'm not neccecary a fan of an autonomous investment (ergo infrastructure) as a long term model, however, it does reboot a cycle of economic boom (in dutch hoogconjunctuur @Seven how does that translate ? boom ?)
Considering the decrepit state of american public infrastructure and roads, its needed. Considering the insane issues inside the black community, this amount of jobs is a great alternative to shooting a nellow $#@!'s brains out.


The black situation today, is greatly the fault of poor democrat management.

- between 1940 and 1964ties, poverty in black families decreased from 78% to around 40%. In a racist climate with unfair circumstances
- 1964 democrats began a groteque series of wellfare and anti povery incentives. Between 1964 and 2010 16 trillion doller was spend.
However, the steep decline of poverty came to a stop, and only marginally dropped. From 40% in 1964 to 27.3% in 2010
- people need an incentive to improve themselves, all the welfare created a lovely democratic voterbase, but that was not improving itself. In belgium we have this too, its called Wallony, the french part, where socialists rule by putting everyone on welfare
- clintons 1993 crime act had the consequence of taking mostly black fathers from their household and:
- Growing up in a one parent household, its by far and away the biggest factor to poverty
Two parent black households have a 7% poverty rate
one parent white single mother households have a 22% poverty rate.


Democrats spend trillions, and it led to significant increase in criminality : homicide 48.7% black males, $#@! 31.8%, aggravated assauylt 33.5%, robbery 55%. While only beeing 13% of the population.

Democrats failed. Black people dont need your welfare pampering. They need good and affordable housing, good schools to go to, tyrone's dad to not run away.


They made it worse by not acting against the racist biggot black lives matter. They made it worse by feeding the "institutional racism" bull$#@!.

Democrats pander towards a leftist audience

- Obama greatly failed to adress BLm and actually fuelled them.
- Their policies are entirely pro political correctness
- safe spaces on colleague campusses and censorship is entirely backing 3rd wave fems

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People who voted trump were assaulted by numbers, youtube is full of it. Its not 'rich comming from trump supporters'

In fact, pro trump speakers like Milo Yiannapoulis had a very difficult time even getting rally's or public speaking events going.
leftie bernie people invated most conservative speakers

if a republican does that, he's arrested before he even enters the hall

This guy knows his shit.

Dude. Have you seen the violence coming from Trump supporters? Not to mention how he made racism suddenly okay again.

Regardless I will never condone this type of violence, no matter who it is coming from and who it is directed at.

What violence?

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And don't be absurd. Democrats didn't fail. Modern US politics is a direct byproduct of the Reagan era, both on the democratic and republican side. The middle class disappearing and the wealth of the richest 1% skyrocketing is directly correlated to Reaganomics.

Of course they failed. This election is big enough proof that the Democrats are epic failures. The middle class is worse off than 8 years ago and Obama did virtually nothing to change that. Why? Because he's part of the problem. Democrats love bloated government and Federal Reserve policy that enriches only a select few who have access to their discount windows, such as Wall Street and some foreign banks. They love it because they did nothing about it, so they can go fly a collective plane into the UN building.

He put a general in his cabinet that was removed for sharing top secret information.

Better to have someone in the cabinet than the President. Just sayin'.

Nobody in the military trusts Obama's calls on the generals either.

When someone says "Trump did not make racism OK again" that just means he's out of touch with post-Trump US.

And this is why so many folks are tired of the Democrats.

Wanted to ask US guys, need your opinion. How far do you think this trump and putin love gonna last? The thing is, we have a war here with russia, I've done one rotation already in artillery and my family lives like in 6-7 hours tank-drive from a warfare zone. Because of the sanctions russians did not go further, but looks like this thing really can change. Do you think it's time to evacuate my relatives elsewhere?

Not sure, you will have to feel out the local political climate on your own. But the whole Trump/Putin love fest was created by factions of the US liberal media to alter the election. I'd put more stake in the moon landings being fake or Hillary being a reptilian.

- The climate changing is a consistantly happening thing. We went from very hot (Jurrassic, 35-45°C in europe/US) from an ice age, back to where we are. The climate has been slowly heating for the past centuries.
- CO2 is a greenhouse gas, such as methane for example (hence, the ecological impact of eating meat as cows produce ALOT of methane through intestinal gas, (yes, farts)).
- The earth has various buffering mechanisms.
- When the average global temperature rises 0.5 - 5.0°C , we have solid theories on what will happen at every 0.5°C increase.

The above is what we actually know. What we dont know is :

- What is the exact impact of CO2 at which quantity ? How much is our impact on this ? How much increased CO2 can the earth buffer out ?

In therms of CO2 output, what we do know is :

- The single biggest issue, is navel transportation. Namely cargo and container ships, using residual oil.
- Second and third world country's output of CO2, fine dust, sulfer and coal related $#@!, dwarfs what the US and europe put out. Especially china and asia.



What is the actual republican agenda ?

- The facts too limited. We know the climate is ever changing but we dont know how much we impact it. (this is true, as the studies are incoherent as i mentionned above)
- We arent even remotely the largest issue, look at china.
- We arent going to cripple our economy unless there is indeniable evidence and the other countries follow along.



There where tho other cases of "huge climate impacts" in the past, which were found to be way over reacted and nothing serious at the end. I can look those up if you want more info.



Meanwhile. Musk was in the tech meeting with the other companies who met trump. Tesla and SolarCity merged after all, which is an insane risk considering the financial status of SolarCity. Just saying.

That's the insane thing about the climate control freaks. They essentially want to slow economic growth for western nations in spite of the larger emissions from other nations. It's more about limiting output for the west than anything else.

But the real oddity is that for all of the complaining, the climate control freaks never mention the urban heat island effect which is actually proven to alter microclimates. It's not speculation like the other stuff. They supposedly hate increasing temperatures due to their own human activity, but then they promote living in planned cities built by robots that will only create more of an UHI impact. Can't win with these folks.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

I just gave one. About the black problem

A republican will say the food stamps and other social work pandering is bullshit. That the clinton '93 prison law is bullshit.

They'll proceed to list the steep decline of poverty from 1940 till 1964. The absolute halt and crawling decrease from 1964 till 2010(for example). The incredibly increase in imprisoned black fathers following the clinton bil in 1993. The massive increase in black crime following children growing up without a father.
They'll end by comparing poverty between a black two parent household and a white mom single household.

Conclusion : no institutional racism. Social pandering blocks people from improving. Two parent households are the biggest factor against poverty in the US. The funding should go to improving schools(alot) and housing for black folks in poor area's.

Democrats : We are doing so much to help black people, but institutional racism is why they get shot by the police and have higher poverty rates. Its not that our program failed, you fucking xenophobic racist pig.



@Seven will agree this happens in belgium too with the french part after the collapse of mining industries. Socialist french party : Here, have some wellfare payments, but vote us, we'll fund it by taxes from the working people. Which is partly why i'm getting 70% taxed. But at least they dont have speed camera's tbh.

You will very typically not see this from Republicans though. They'll look to cut spending from everything except the military (because of course), combined with tax cuts for corporations and wealthy individuals. And then of course, that deficit eventually falls on the middle class in one way or another, because no one gives a shit about us. Some democrats are no better of course, but that's another issue. I've had some family on food stamps at times, we all work. Shit happens and there's a safety net to ensure you don't starve to death just in case, I don't see a problem with that one. No one should be starving in the streets imo. The whole "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" and "hard work can get you anywhere" mentality that they love to talk about is absolute horseshit as well. If you don't know someone or you don't get that lucky break, you're done. Not saying it's their fault, but at least as a party admit that this exists as a problem.

Blacks do experience things that I do not. I've seen it, I know it. There definitely is a bias that exists among certain aspects of society. Now WHY that bias exists and how pervasive that is, I see as arguable. But I'm not going to go out denying that it exists because I don't think it's as pervasive as some others.

Have a look at the typical foreign policy of many Republicans. Facts go out the window. Go look at how they lick Israel's ass at the drop of a hat. They invited Netanyahu to speak in front of Congress and gave long standing ovations for any bullshit he said. Fuck any economic policy they may hold if you're going to grovel before another foreign leader like that, while giving them more and more in aid every year. It's going to get even worse now too, and it's immensely infuriating.

Keep in mind, I've never voted for a major Democrat candidate in my life, but it seems that you're attempting to paint the Republican party as if it's some bastion of intelligent, rational thought and progress when in many cases they are VERY far from it.

 

[Seven]

Interesting that from the insane amount of actual issues, you picked these two. Cherrypicking, as actual problems are too much for you.


Climate Change

This is a very interesting point, as it kinda hows how terrible poorly informed you are about the issue, what you read, what is the actual situation, and what the impact of america is.

- The climate changing is a consistantly happening thing. We went from very hot (Jurrassic, 35-45°C in europe/US) from an ice age, back to where we are. The climate has been slowly heating for the past centuries.
- CO2 is a greenhouse gas, such as methane for example (hence, the ecological impact of eating meat as cows produce ALOT of methane through intestinal gas, (yes, farts)).
- The earth has various buffering mechanisms.
- When the average global temperature rises 0.5 - 5.0°C , we have solid theories on what will happen at every 0.5°C increase.

The above is what we actually know. What we dont know is :

We also know that changes in climate (however natural they may be and I definitely agree with you that they were in the past) have a profound effect on species and their ability to live and grow. As humans we are also simply biological creatures and it makes sense to keep an eye on our environment and how we can keep it optimal for ourselves. In my mind the big question here is if there is actually anything we can do about it.

You sound like Keith Olbermann on anti-depressants. It's really sad, bro.

You gave up at some point. I don't know why, but on an intellectual level you are so lazy right now. Spoonfed whatever bullshit some absolute clown might say and you take it like a goose.

Of course they failed. This election is big enough proof that the Democrats are epic failures. The middle class is worse off than 8 years ago and Obama did virtually nothing to change that. Why? Because he's part of the problem. Democrats love bloated government and Federal Reserve policy that enriches only a select few who have access to their discount windows, such as Wall Street and some foreign banks. They love it because they did nothing about it, so they can go fly a collective plane into the UN building.

Dude. Your hero is Trump. You seriously think Trump is going to come down hard on Wall Street? They are the entire reason his insane lifestyle was ever possible to begin with.
Better to have someone in the cabinet than the President. Just sayin'.

Not sure, you will have to feel out the local political climate on your own. But the whole Trump/Putin love fest was created by factions of the US liberal media to alter the election. I'd put more stake in the moon landings being fake or Hillary being a reptilian.

I don't even.. Do you even bother to listen to what Trump himself has been saying all this time? Trump won't deny any of it, that much is sure. As for altering the election, you know what's a problem? When a high ranked FBI official claims an investigation is still ongoing a week before the election, when it has been obvious all along that Clinton's name was cleared. How that's even legal is beyond me.

 

[Zacheryah]

We also know that changes in climate (however natural they may be and I definitely agree with you that they were in the past) have a profound effect on species and their ability to live and grow. As humans we are also simply biological creatures and it makes sense to keep an eye on our environment and how we can keep it optimal for ourselves. In my mind the big question here is if there is actually anything we can do about it.

 

[Turk_Bianconero]

I don't know how many of their citizens are aware but US started to act like a rabid dog recently more than ever.

military coup, daily terrorist attacks, assassination of russian ambassador and killer being in a cia office in aleppo in 15 July(coup day), that clown marine guy jake raak connected with cia getting out of night club with very bad acting skills after the mass murder happened inside minutes ago and and now this..

[video=twitter;816992793952485376]https://twitter.com/USEmbassyTurkey/status/816992793952485376[/video]

Prime minister Nihat Erim with Nixon(1972)
#TurkAmericanFriendship

Who is Nihat Erim? A politican appointed as prime minister by 1970 junta. In 1980, he has been assassinated by a communist terrorist group. Two open threats(military coup and assassination) in one picture. It is time that American people should get a bit more involved and keep their state which is completely gone rogue in check. That requires more than wearing a ''I voted'' badge. By state i don't mean the elected government but those who pulling the strings.

 

[Zacheryah]

When i heard "ambassador assasinated" i'm thinking of some other place at the moment

 

[Seven]

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-toyota-idUSKBN14P27S?il=0

I like it. Alienating two foreign nations with vast intrests in the US and scaring away an industry of 1.3 million jobs with one tweet is truly a sight to behold.

Oh, and coercing a Japanese car manufacturer to build cars in the US makes you look like an angry toddler in the eyes of the rest of the world too, you know.

What an utter moron.

 

[Zacheryah]

"Hey, we want to build cars for your market, but we are making them cheap at your third world neighbour."
As a libertarian minded person i'd say "fine, this will solve itself with wages skyrocketting"

However, each and every worksman without a degree, will approve of this.


Remember, he's not bashing toyota or japan itself. he's bashing their decision (which they are fully free to make offcourse).
The US is such a big consumer market. They arent going like "screw you guys, i'll sell elsewhere".


I dont approve of it, as economy and should be 100% free of state involvement for perfect capitalism. But i do wonder what would happen if the US decides to pull insane import taxes on anything comming from mexico

 

[Seven]

"Hey, we want to build cars for your market, but we are making them cheap at your third world neighbour."
As a libertarian minded person i'd say "fine, this will solve itself with wages skyrocketting"

Japanese car manufacturers employ 1.3m Americans. They've done their share. And it doesn't even fucking matter. Trump himself outsources labour. What the fuck does he think is doing imposing his wants on a Japanese car manufacturer?

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Libertarian and pro-trump? That makes as much sense as being pro-trump

 

[s4tch]

...But i do wonder what would happen if the US decides to pull insane import taxes on anything comming from mexico

toyota has 6 manufacturing facilities in the us, with +1m american citizen employees. that's some bargaining chip if you are facing an idiot like trump.

also: http://jalopnik.com/what-scares-me-the-most-about-donald-trump-making-deals-1790805314

 

[Seven]

Libertarian and pro-trump? That makes as much sense as being pro-trump

toyota has 6 manufacturing facilities in the us, with +1m american citizen employees. that's some bargaining chip if you are facing an idiot like trump.

also: http://jalopnik.com/what-scares-me-the-most-about-donald-trump-making-deals-1790805314

Easily the scariest part about this bullshit is that Trump has apparently made no effort whatsoever to think any of this through. Nevermind try to maybe not immediately tweet something about it. My God, this man.. He's not going to be president for 4 full years, that much is obvious.

 

[Enron]

Libertarian and pro-trump? That makes as much sense as being pro-trump

Thats a pretty confused person.

 

[Zacheryah]

Libertarian and pro-trump? That makes as much sense as being pro-trump

I notice your eyesight isnt doing very well, but as a friend, i'm here to help you out

"Hey, we want to build cars for your market, but we are making them cheap at your third world neighbour."
As a libertarian minded person i'd say "fine, this will solve itself with wages skyrocketting"

However, each and every worksman without a degree, will approve of this.


Remember, he's not bashing toyota or japan itself. he's bashing their decision (which they are fully free to make offcourse).
The US is such a big consumer market. They arent going like "screw you guys, i'll sell elsewhere".


I dont approve of it, as economy and should be 100% free of state involvement for perfect capitalism. But i do wonder what would happen if the US decides to pull insane import taxes on anything comming from mexico

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Thats a pretty confused person.

Oh man, you mods really need to get some funding for proper glasses to fix that eyesight man. But offcourse, i'm here to help

I dont approve of it

There you go mate. Its no problem really, always happy to help out

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Japanese car manufacturers employ 1.3m Americans. They've done their share. And it doesn't even fucking matter. Trump himself outsources labour. What the fuck does he think is doing imposing his wants on a Japanese car manufacturer?

Lets stay calm. and look at the situation

1. as a libertarian, i think state controlling the economy always wrong. Belgium is a great example.
2. I'm not pro trump. But i'm seriously bothered by democratic lefties who arent engaging in a proper discussion but just bash to bash.

3. Having a third world neighbour is some issue in the short term. It is.
- Every manufactor that wants adress the US market could just move to mexico and build much cheaper.
- Belgium is another good example. Out civil building companies are suffering on the influx of polish people. At first they were like "nice, we can abuse these fine polish guys, cause they r cheap to pay. Then they found out that polish people arent idiots, and they simply sign up for domestic companies that move around in the EU and severely undercut the competition. This leads to lower profits (very low) and decreasing prices.
- Do i approve what trump said ? No, state should stay out of it. In the long run, wages will rise in mexico to the point where it isnt so interesting anymore.
- Does it works on the short term ? Well i'd like to know. Its always good to see what an opposing idea does.

Again. I'm not pro trump economy wise. I do think his autonomic investment in civil works is good, these things are done to kick a new cycle of economic boom, but lead to inflation so its temporarly. Thing is, the US infrastructure is awfull, so it could really benefit

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Easily the scariest part about this bullshit is that Trump has apparently made no effort whatsoever to think any of this through. Nevermind try to maybe not immediately tweet something about it. My God, this man.. He's not going to be president for 4 full years, that much is obvious.

Trump is very likely to get re-elected. Cause his biggest voting base is continued to be alienated by the leftist media, their concerns are continue'd to get pushed down, and Trump is making alot of populist decisions


All people without higher education see "dey took our jobs". And now trump is acting like a boogyman "saving the jobs". Its short term, but its insane to gain popularity. And people dont believe the mainstream leftist media, who are trying to bash him for doing it (which they werent when Obama was doing the catterpillar thing in 2009).


Trump things this through. He wants to bully companies in avoiding mexico and build american "or else".Short sighted, short term. But very populistic.

 

[Nzoric]

People claiming to be libertarians

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[Post Ironic]

An economy 100% free of state involvement.

What utter rubbish.

 

[Cerval]

Zacheryah is the gift that keeps on giving

 

[Seven]

Zach. Ever heard of impeachment? It's a matter of time before he makes himself impossible. I suspect he'll end up in jail too.

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[Nzoric]

An economy 100% free of state involvement.

What utter rubbish.

Reminds me of the time I was a nihilist in high school.