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[ZoSo]

Hillary is a neo-con like hawk, for sure, but I find it ridiculous to blame her for what's happening in Syria and Libya.

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Not to mention that Zoso is the one constantly posting the Facebook comment style bullet point lists of Alex Jones infowar talking points on Clinton conspiracy theories.

Coming from him, rather amusing.

it's funny how the """"tolerant left"""" is always the one making it personal

 

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[Nzoric]

Come on, even when we're talking about that very specific situation, 2003 was much much worse, and basically indefensible. But that's a pretty stupid discussion, sorry I started that

In general, I'm not saying it wasn't a mistake, and it's definitely concerning that, probably, one of the proponents of that mistake is now gonna get much more power. But honestly, that mistake was also understandable at that time in my opinion - for me, the situation surrounding the whole fiasco is really everything here, for example, even without any US/NATO intervention Syria & Libya would likely be places of pure chaos right now.

You're right though, in general we probably agree to a large extent, and her hawkishness is worrying me a lot. My main criticism of her overall, besides her habit of changing stances to suit public sentiment.

From a European perspective, the Arab Spring is worse than 2003. Then again, the Spring wouldn't have been possible if it wasn't for 2003, so yeh - sticky discussion right there.

As for the second argument in your post you're posting a speculative opinion. I can't offer evidence against a hypothetical scenario, but I fail to envision how it would've become the shitshow it is now had Gaddafi not been forcibly removed from power. Or had Clinton faced reality and accepted the Assad/Putin proposal of elections within 104 days in 2012. Hawkish ideas, staunch Israeli support and brinksmanship policies towards Russia and China (the situation in the South China Sea is as combustible as Syria) is what she is about.

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Fuck it, I'm getting drunk.

 

[acmilan]

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it's funny how the """"tolerant left"""" is always the one making it personal

The "tolerant" part there refers to skin color, background, religious beliefs, etc, etc ... not stupidity.

Just clearing a few things up, you know.

 

[ZoSo]

The "tolerant" part there refers to skin color, background, religious beliefs, etc, etc ... not stupidity.

Just clearing a few things up, you know.

completely missing the point

 

[Nzoric]

The "tolerant" part there refers to skin color, background, religious beliefs, etc, etc ... not stupidity.

Just clearing a few things up, you know.

 

[Post Ironic]

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it's funny how the """"tolerant left"""" is always the one making it personal

Please. What's personal about what I said? You do post those lists, and you were making fun of another member for "believing" what you consider to be nonsense.

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The "tolerant" part there refers to skin color, background, religious beliefs, etc, etc ... not stupidity.

Just clearing a few things up, you know.

You voted with Brady and Bill, didn't you?

 

[GordoDeCentral]

Brady is an idiot just like all the morons who voted trump, still the goat though

 

[Ocelot]

From a European perspective, the Arab Spring is worse than 2003. Then again, the Spring wouldn't have been possible if it wasn't for 2003, so yeh - sticky discussion right there.

As for the second argument in your post you're posting a speculative opinion. I can't offer evidence against a hypothetical scenario, but I fail to envision how it would've become the shitshow it is now had Gaddafi not been forcibly removed from power. Or had Clinton faced reality and accepted the Assad/Putin proposal of elections within 104 days in 2012. Hawkish ideas, staunch Israeli support and brinksmanship policies towards Russia and China (the situation in the South China Sea is as combustible as Syria) is what she is about.

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Fuck it, I'm getting drunk.

Yeah it's a hypothetical scenario, but both Syria & Libya already were in a bloody civil war before any western intervention. Not the right place to talk about this though

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The "tolerant" part there refers to skin color, background, religious beliefs, etc, etc ... not stupidity.

Just clearing a few things up, you know.

Btw did you hear who your poster boys Brady & Belichik endorsed?

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Fucking PostIronic got ahead of me

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Love how CNN & FOX act as if Trump winning Kentucky is breaking news

 

[ZoSo]

Please. What's personal about what I said? You do post those lists, and you were making fun of another member for "believing" what you consider to be nonsense.

Implying that I'm some kind of tin foil conspiracy theorist, when I've only posted things based in fact. Saying it's all "Alex Jones info" is really just lazy and boring, why try and dispute an argument when you can just label it as conspiracy theory right? Meanwhile you were posting nonsense that Trump raped a 13 year old, which of course turned out to be a load of horseshit, but acting as if it actually happened.

 

[j0ker]

So who is winning?

 

[Post Ironic]

Implying that I'm some kind of tin foil conspiracy theorist, when I've only posted things based in fact. Saying it's all "Alex Jones info" is really just lazy and boring, why try and dispute an argument when you can just label it as conspiracy theory right? Meanwhile you were posting nonsense that Trump raped a 13 year old, which of course turned out to be a load of horseshit, but acting as if it actually happened.

When did I say he raped a 13 year old? I said he was accused of it. He was.

You're the one who constantly mistakes accusations or investigations with "convictions" and "facts" which certainly makes you a conspiracy theorist. You label Hillary a corrupt criminal. Yet she's been cleared in every single investigation. Doesn't stop you from acting like all the mud slung at Hillary is factual.

So go spout your adolescent nonsense elsewhere.

 

[Nzoric]

Yeah it's a hypothetical scenario, but both Syria & Libya already were in a bloody civil war before any western intervention. Not the right place to talk about this though

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Btw did you hear who your poster boys Brady & Belichik endorsed?

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Fucking PostIronic got ahead of me

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Love how CNN & FOX act as if Trump winning Kentucky is breaking news

Hillary is winning so we will have plenty og opportunities to revisit her mistakes in the ME threads.

Its as much breaking news as Hillary winning Vermont

 

[Ocelot]

Hillary is winning so we will have plenty og opportunities to revisit her mistakes in the ME threads.

Its as much breaking news as Hillary winning Vermont

Yup.

But you gotta love CNN

KEY RACE ALERT....Georgia still too early to call

 

[Post Ironic]

Hillary is winning so we will have plenty og opportunities to revisit her mistakes in the ME threads.

Its as much breaking news as Hillary winning Vermont

She's a hawk. And it's very obvious that she started out as a Goldwater republican. She's about as far to the centre/right as a democrat can go on everything but a few social policy points, that keep her strong with minorities and females.

 

[Nzoric]

Yup.

But you gotta love CNN

KEY RACE ALERT....Georgia still too early to call

Where do you get the strenght to watch that shitshow? I'm watching the danish coverage and even the mute danes are overly dramatic.

 

[ALC]

Less than 2500 people showed up to vote in Vermont. Jesus.

 

[.zero]

If you are truly interested in tracking the election then I suggest Votecastr

http://www.slate.com/votecastr_election_day_turnout_tracker.html

https://news.vice.com/story/live-election-day-turnout-results-with-votecastr-eod

 

[Ocelot]

Where do you get the strenght to watch that shitshow? I'm watching the danish coverage and even the mute danes are overly dramatic.

You ever watched a movie so bad that it's actually a pretty good comedy?

 

[Nzoric]

Danish graphics just showed Virginia as being won by Trump. Idiots got Virginia and West Virginia mixed up

 

[Ocelot]

If you are truly interested in tracking the election then I suggest Votecastr

http://www.slate.com/votecastr_election_day_turnout_tracker.html

http://edition.cnn.com/election/results/states/florida

This one is pretty good too, and the fastest to update.

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Danish graphics just showed Virginia as being won by Trump. Idiots got Virginia and West Virginia mixed up