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j0ker

Capo di tutti capi
Jan 5, 2006
22,892
IT'S TRUE :rofl::rofl::rofl:
With his daughter sitting next to him holy fucking shit
This guy is too maaaacccchhh



Also the States "meddling" can hardly be compared with Iran's.

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Prolly did that just to take a dig at the Clinton name. But he's right though, America should apologize.
What the fuck do you know?
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
IT'S TRUE :rofl::rofl::rofl:
With his daughter sitting next to him holy fucking shit :lol:
This guy is too maaaacccchhh



Also the States "meddling" can hardly be compared with Iran's.

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:lol:

Prolly did that just to take a dig at the Clinton name. But he's right though, America should apologize.
Nah. It was like the only successful piece of American/NATO intervention in the last 20 years. And helped stop the ethnic cleansing and genocide going on.
 

ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
46,526
Yeah, Fr3sh. Read up on it first, that was the one bombing America did that was definitely the right thing. You have no idea what people were going through at that point.
 

X Æ A-12

Senior Member
Contributor
Sep 4, 2006
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First and foremost Saudi Arabia is cancer, I despise Israel and I still respect them a MILLION times more than I'll ever respect Saudi Arabia, and I'm a muslim!

Respecting other nations sovereignty is a serious problem nowadays....actually always has been....



I don't support Trump, never have I expressed any admiration of any form towards that man. He disgusts me as an individual. In this thread I did say that I would vote for Trump because he'd fuck up the States. I'm not rooting for him because he's want to make "America Great Again" lol I want him to win cause I want us to have 50 new neighbours bruh

I want us to deny @Kyle entry to Canada :lol:



Love you too brotherman :heart:
wtf why me?
 

Ocelot

Midnight Marauder
Jul 13, 2013
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Just seen :lol:

He wants to hook up South Korea and Japan with nukes :lol::lol::lol::lol:
Guess who else could get nukes under his precidency

You're not gonna like it


The wording of the constitution makes it kind of hard (Article I, section 4, clause 1: "The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof"). a 2004 supreme court case punted the issue by saying that it cannot set a standard for political vs apolitical redistricting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vieth_v._Jubelirer
I think, similar to the issue of money in politics, both parties find it very hard to tackle, since passing a constitutional amendment is next to impossible. In the meantime, they know if they don't enjoy it the other party will sure do. So I think it will not have a political solution, but a legal solution through the Supreme Court.
Having said that, some progress has been made. After this court case from last year, it'll be legal to establish independent redistricting commissions through ballot initiatives.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizo...rizona_Independent_R edistricting_Commission
Thanks :tup:

So it's a constitutional issue mostly? Still think that it would be worth it for the Dems to shine more light on this issue than there is currently, but that certainly complicates things. Incredible that there aren't any more specific rules concerning such a centerstone of the democratic system of the country in the constitution.

I'm quite surprised that you are not a Trump supporter in these elections.



When you bash Hillary and are asked whether you're a Trump supporter you say no it's about Hillary, so how is that logic not applied elsewhere?

Reading this thread, it's very strange to me that you are so religiously following each and every member here to make sure there's noone left who has yet to know that you are a moron.

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Fresh just needs to stop posting in this thread.
Damn you just rekt three posters in one post :lol:

Cold.

:lol2: Apologist doing with he does best: Reaching high up his ass and coming up with whatever dumb excuses he can.

So, what Clinton says on the tape (I don't give a fvck about others recounting the story, sugarcoating the narrative to make her and the whole process look good, it's her own words from the mid 80s tape that counts) is: The prosecutor told her about the case AND asked her: "Would I do it as a favor for him?”
And you interpret this as:

No one was forcing her. So if it was so much against her ethics and if she truly wanted to, I'm sure she could do everything she could not to be appointed to this particular case.

She managed to win a plea deal for the rapist and reduce a potential 30 years to life in prison, to five which then was reduced further to just one year.
And what you get from it is this?!!



You slap this right in there with your other bullsh!t, like it means the girl was lying and she and her mother were desperate to end it before her lie is exposed. Where in fact, it was because they didn't want the humiliation of her testifying in public court about someone raping her.



Are you freaking fvckin kidding?!!
She says this: “I had him take a polygraph, which he passed – which forever destroyed my faith in polygraphs,”, right at the start of telling the story, way before getting into the "eccentricities" of the case. She's talking about what a rootless, sleazeball the guy was. So it exactly means she knew the dirtbag was guilty and lying but managed to trick the poly.

I think I've had enough.
I see you have no idea about how the US legal system works. Or any legal system of a modern liberal democracy.

At the end the article alludesv to the fact that prejudice is part of being human and that we will both be victims and perpetrators, whether your are black,thin, straight or a female. This idea of systematic discrimination quadriceps blacks in the US is preposterous

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@<a href="http://www.juventuz.com/member.php?u=18469" target="_blank">Ocelot</a> check out this vid
Well, yes.

But if you look at the figures, blacks face a lot more discrimination than whites - look at concentrated poverty as well for example, making it much more difficult for a disproportionate amount of black children to succeed (the guy in the video kinda goes into that topic a little bit as well when talking about schools). Again you don't have to fight those by public measures (although I'd argue that some are quite sensible), but I don't think you can argue that the "share" of discrimination whites and blacks have to respectively deal with is equally shared in any way.

The interview also just hand picks the stats and figures that are favourable to them, and, as a sidenote, I really don't believe that the link between single parent households and welfare spending he proposes exists in any major way, correlation ain't causation, and there are plenty of social changes over the same period that would explain the former phenomenon much better than welfare spending in my opinion.

He's completely right in stating that stuff like "Uncle Tom" is disgusting though.

I don't think we're really going anywhere here tbh :D
 

Nzoric

Grazie Mirko
Jan 16, 2011
37,868
Yeah, Fr3sh. Read up on it first, that was the one bombing America did that was definitely the right thing. You have no idea what people were going through at that point.
People were going through hell at that point. Now explain to me how people stopped going through hell on Kosovo because NATO decided to bomb civilian targets with cluster bumbs and depleted uranium shells in Serbia.
 

Ocelot

Midnight Marauder
Jul 13, 2013
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http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/

Didn't actually expect this article to be good, but it actually is - aside from the very hit-and-miss pop culture references.

Talking about a hugely important aspect that's not as much discussed as it probably should be, the rural-urban divide. Interestingly enough it's the exact same trend at the presidential election here in Austria (4th round coming up a month after the US :weee:). Would be interesting to see similar figures for Brexit or Front National
 

ALC

Ohaulick
Oct 28, 2010
46,526
People were going through hell at that point. Now explain to me how people stopped going through hell on Kosovo because NATO decided to bomb civilian targets with cluster bumbs and depleted uranium shells in Serbia.
By the fact that there were Kosovars left afterwards
 

Ronn

Mes Que Un Club
May 3, 2012
20,864
Thanks :tup:

So it's a constitutional issue mostly? Still think that it would be worth it for the Dems to shine more light on this issue than there is currently, but that certainly complicates things. Incredible that there aren't any more specific rules concerning such a centerstone of the democratic system of the country in the constitution.
yeah it's fucked up. Congress has approval ratings around 15% and yet 90% of its members are reelected in every cycle.
Have you seen this? (hope you can watch it outside on the US)
http://www.cc.com/video-clips/0adjf...wart-american-horrible-story---gerrymandering

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http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/

Didn't actually expect this article to be good, but it actually is - aside from the very hit-and-miss pop culture references.

Talking about a hugely important aspect that's not as much discussed as it probably should be, the rural-urban divide. Interestingly enough it's the exact same trend at the presidential election here in Austria (4th round coming up a month after the US :weee:). Would be interesting to see similar figures for Brexit or Front National
Very good article. But I don't know if you saw the link I posted a few days ago. It says the median household income of a Trump primary voter was ~72k. It kind of is in contrast with point #3.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-mythology-of-trumps-working-class-support/
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
115,930
At the end of the day, Hillary will undoubtedly win the election. The question is, if she makes mistakes on domestic or foreign policy, will her supporters actually criticize her for it, or will they defend her relentlessly as the first female President? My guess is the latter as Americans seem to equate politics with some sort of sporting event. Now that everyone has their "team," they'll support them to the death regardless of reason. Perhaps this year will be different since Hillary is rather unpopular, but then again a vote to some is like a covenant.
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
At the end of the day, Hillary will undoubtedly win the election. The question is, if she makes mistakes on domestic or foreign policy, will her supporters actually criticize her for it, or will they defend her relentlessly as the first female President? My guess is the latter as Americans seem to equate politics with some sort of sporting event. Now that everyone has their "team," they'll support them to the death regardless of reason. Perhaps this year will be different since Hillary is rather unpopular, but then again a vote to some is like a covenant.
American politics is fucked being so virulently antagonistic right now. Hillary supporters will defend her to the bitter end as a President because her naysayers will attack every little thing she does like it's going to bring about the apocalypse.

Unfortunately there isn't much space for rational analysis of what she will actually accomplish in that type of political climate. I'm pretty certain she'll do a lot of things that warrant harsh criticism while President, just like every other president in history, for better or worse. It'd be nice if people could put aside the partisanship though, and look at both sides.
 

AFL_ITALIA

MAGISTERIAL
Jun 17, 2011
31,784
New York has to have possibly the dumbest voter registration process in the country. It's 2016 and yet to change my party I have to go physically hand in a form. What is this, 1912? And it has to be 25 days before the election, because of reasons I suppose.
 

Maddy

Oracle of Copenhagen
Jul 10, 2009
16,545
Talking about a hugely important aspect that's not as much discussed as it probably should be, the rural-urban divide. Interestingly enough it's the exact same trend at the presidential election here in Austria (4th round coming up a month after the US :weee:). Would be interesting to see similar figures for Brexit or Front National
The rural-urban divide is a trend all over the Western World. I'd rather call it the industrial-global divide instead. A conflict between what was and what's going to come. In time of change and crisis humans are either progressive or conservative.

Those who supports right wing populism fear for tomorrow and seek comfort in yesterday.

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Unfortunately there isn't much space for rational analysis of what she will actually accomplish in that type of political climate. I'm pretty certain she'll do a lot of things that warrant harsh criticism while President, just like every other president in history, for better or worse. It'd be nice if people could put aside the partisanship though, and look at both sides.
The ability to entertain two opposing thoughts/ideas and actually be open-minded towards both is one of the greatest qualities of an intellectual mind; even better when combined with the ability to accept you were wrong.
 

Post Ironic

Senior Member
Feb 9, 2013
42,253
"...Hillary Clinton meets in secret with international banks to plot the destruction of U.S. sovereignty..."

A direct quote from Donald Trump today. No wonder his imbecilic supporters are talking about revolution.
 

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