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Sure, but there was a time when I regarded some of these more prestigious news outlets above this mudslinging. They seemed to at least try to maintain a level of professionalism; And to keep a reasonable distance from the farcical standards of the less reliable ones. Like the ones I mentioned above and some other. But it's all lost now. It's turned into a total circus.
And it goes beyond this election. It just brought it into the spotlight. On every single issue they first and foremost are pushing for their hidden agenda, and informing people is less ans less important to them. Actually it seems like their goal has changed into misinforming them.
As to, what i do watch/read, I try to check both sides and form my own opinion. But it's becoming more and more difficult to keep track of the truth in the midst of all this bullsh!t they're all spewing.
And it goes beyond this election. It just brought it into the spotlight. On every single issue they first and foremost are pushing for their hidden agenda, and informing people is less ans less important to them. Actually it seems like their goal has changed into misinforming them.
As to, what i do watch/read, I try to check both sides and form my own opinion. But it's becoming more and more difficult to keep track of the truth in the midst of all this bullsh!t they're all spewing.
@Seven, just theoretically speaking, could there be any candidate so bad that you'd have no problems with media outlets asking people not to vote for them?
Oh yeah, I kinda agree with you in principal in that entire organisations preferably shouldn't endorse any candidate (I have absolutely no problem with individual journalists or editors though, I think it's very healthy to know where there coming from even)
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Very true.
But if you look at the sources that are preferred by many of those denouncing mainstream media, they'd be a lot better informed simply watching CNN & all that other BS.
Oh yeah, I kinda agree with you in principal in that entire organisations preferably shouldn't endorse any candidate (I have absolutely no problem with individual journalists or editors though, I think it's very healthy to know where there coming from even)
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Very true.
But if you look at the sources that are preferred by many of those denouncing mainstream media, they'd be a lot better informed simply watching CNN & all that other BS.
Hmm.. If we are speaking strictly theoretically, no, I don't think there can be. I expect the media to inform people of the facts and I trust people to make their choices based on those facts. That's how democracy works. Realistically though some people do need a guiding hand. In that sense I understand that there are media who speak out against Trump.
Here, in case you guys don't get to experience it firsthand like I do...
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I really don't believe that many of Sanders' supporters think that. Such an extreme form of Obama hate is a delusion of the extreme right spectrum only as far as I've seen.
I mean some of them might think extremely little of Obama, but they wouldn't hold guys like Bush or Clinton in any higher regard.
Not to mention that Bernie himself expressed his respect for Obama at numerous occasions.
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I can respect that.What do you think about individual journalists speaking out against a candidate though? Suppose a newspaper columnists, or one of the anchors in the US with their personal shows?
I think as along as it's made clear to be their own opinion, there'd be nothing wrong with that.
I can respect that.What do you think about individual journalists speaking out against a candidate though? Suppose a newspaper columnists, or one of the anchors in the US with their personal shows?
I think as along as it's made clear to be their own opinion, there'd be nothing wrong with that.
Btw, for what it's worth: I think Trump is helped by media outlets attacking him.
Two things:
1- Newspapers are not what they used to be anymore. The printed versions are going extinct. And their online version is their main representatives. This new format is not a mere written format, it includes videos, audios, user comments, live updates, everything. On the other side, TV channels are no different either, so the online version of CNN is as popular, if not more than its broadcast version. So the lines are totally blurring. And they all are more like multimedia news outlets than simple news papers or TV channels. So The New York Times, the Washington post, USA Today, or others, endorsing a candidate today is not the same as it used to be 20 years ago. And these journalists know this better than any of us, so they going forward and doing it anyways makes it even worse.
So to those saying its common for newspapers to endorse a candidate, I say, bullshit.
Also, since when is releasing an editorial piece, telling people not to vote for Trump, the same as endorsing Clinton?
2- Seriously, fvck Trump for all I care. But the other day the guy said on the second debate that he'd appoint a special prosecutor for the email probe, and when Clinton said "good thing you're not in charge in this country", he said, "because you'd be in jail." Meaning, she is lying and shouldn't get away with it, like the cover up going on right now.
But then on CNN and elsewhere they twisted his words as saying, he promised he'd put Clinton in jail if he becomes the president. And then aired some roundtable with Blitzer et al and liken him to Hitler and Stalin who put their opponents in jail.
How's that for twisting words? and isn't this blatantly implying people should not vote for him?
1- Newspapers are not what they used to be anymore. The printed versions are going extinct. And their online version is their main representatives. This new format is not a mere written format, it includes videos, audios, user comments, live updates, everything. On the other side, TV channels are no different either, so the online version of CNN is as popular, if not more than its broadcast version. So the lines are totally blurring. And they all are more like multimedia news outlets than simple news papers or TV channels. So The New York Times, the Washington post, USA Today, or others, endorsing a candidate today is not the same as it used to be 20 years ago. And these journalists know this better than any of us, so they going forward and doing it anyways makes it even worse.
So to those saying its common for newspapers to endorse a candidate, I say, bullshit.
Also, since when is releasing an editorial piece, telling people not to vote for Trump, the same as endorsing Clinton?
2- Seriously, fvck Trump for all I care. But the other day the guy said on the second debate that he'd appoint a special prosecutor for the email probe, and when Clinton said "good thing you're not in charge in this country", he said, "because you'd be in jail." Meaning, she is lying and shouldn't get away with it, like the cover up going on right now.
But then on CNN and elsewhere they twisted his words as saying, he promised he'd put Clinton in jail if he becomes the president. And then aired some roundtable with Blitzer et al and liken him to Hitler and Stalin who put their opponents in jail.
How's that for twisting words? and isn't this blatantly implying people should not vote for him?
NBC, CNN, et cetera are all Democratic party talking heads, just like Fox News for the other side. They profit from commercials and pushing agendas guided by the party. The only real journalism is outside of the major networks or papers. Even the polls are skewed by surveying more Democrats than Republicans, so it's all a farce. If we are debating this now, it only shows how much folks are out of the loop.
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Which members of the "elite" support Trump? What support has he received from Wall Street?
The guy's a dolt. Always has been, always will.
NBC, CNN, et cetera are all Democratic party talking heads, just like Fox News for the other side. They profit from commercials and pushing agendas guided by the party. The only real journalism is outside of the major networks or papers. Even the polls are skewed by surveying more Democrats than Republicans, so it's all a farce. If we are debating this now, it only shows how much folks are out of the loop.
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Which members of the "elite" support Trump? What support has he received from Wall Street?
NBC, CNN, et cetera are all Democratic party talking heads, just like Fox News for the other side. They profit from commercials and pushing agendas guided by the party. The only real journalism is outside of the major networks or papers. Even the polls are skewed by surveying more Democrats than Republicans, so it's all a farce. If we are debating this now, it only shows how much folks are out of the loop.
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Which members of the "elite" support Trump? What support has he received from Wall Street?
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-polls-arent-skewed-trump-really-is-losing-badly/
Elites not supporting Trump? What about Sheldon Adelson, Peter Thiel, Carl Icahn etc.
A more comprehensive list
http://fortune.com/2016/08/03/trump-billionaire-backers-list/
Here is how media polling works.
https://theconservativetreehouse.co...osed-about-that-nbcwsj-clinton-11-point-poll/
Quite clearly more of the "elite" and certainly Wall Street support Clinton.
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-presidential-campaign-fundraising/
http://www.wsj.com/articles/hedge-fund-money-has-vastly-favored-clinton-over-trump-1469784601
https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cid=N00000019&cycle=Career
http://www.salon.com/2016/05/09/hil...ng_millions_into_her_campaign_to_defeat_trum/
https://theconservativetreehouse.co...osed-about-that-nbcwsj-clinton-11-point-poll/
Quite clearly more of the "elite" and certainly Wall Street support Clinton.
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-presidential-campaign-fundraising/
http://www.wsj.com/articles/hedge-fund-money-has-vastly-favored-clinton-over-trump-1469784601
https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cid=N00000019&cycle=Career
http://www.salon.com/2016/05/09/hil...ng_millions_into_her_campaign_to_defeat_trum/