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Anyone that produces food for a nation > any politician or government
Yes, but keep in mind that we’re talking about the meat industry. Not farmers who are growing tomatoes, so the pollution is real. The millions of cows and pigs located in a relatively small area does effect the nature locally.

But we’re entering a situation where the government under pressure of the EU might force them to sell their land, and in that case I’m completely against because it destroys a countries integrity, especially if we end up with the farmers party as the biggest with the next elections (they already won the first chamber).
 

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
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Yes, but keep in mind that we’re talking about the meat industry. Not farmers who are growing tomatoes, so the pollution is real. The millions of cows and pigs located in a relatively small area does effect the nature locally.

But we’re entering a situation where the government under pressure of the EU might force them to sell their land, and in that case I’m completely against because it destroys a countries integrity, especially if we end up with the farmers party as the biggest with the next elections (they already won the first chamber).
Might force farmers to sell their land? THAT is outrageous.

I think it's amazing that farmers have one a chamber already. Here, the left shit on the "simple folk" so good for them.
 
Jun 16, 2020
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Might force farmers to sell their land? THAT is outrageous.

I think it's amazing that farmers have one a chamber already. Here, the left shit on the "simple folk" so good for them.
Yes, it’s outrageous. I copy paste (and translate) the news that made headlines a few months ago:

The European Commission has pointed out to The Hague that the forced buy-out of livestock farms is the most successful method of quickly emerging from the nitrogen crisis. The NOS and the journalistic research site Follow the Money report this after viewing documents. Diederik Samsom, who works as a top civil servant for European Commissioner Frans Timmermans, held talks with the top of the Ministry of Agriculture, Nature and Food Quality (LNV) in November.

(Both Samsom and Timmermans are from a left party)
 

Hust

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
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Yes, it’s outrageous. I copy paste (and translate) the news that made headlines a few months ago:

What I find interesting is the Dutch always have the most to offer in teaching farming/gardening, etc....almost ALWAYS when I learn something new, its the Dutch that pioneered it in some way. Typical government always getting in the way. The DC area one of our radio stations has a garden show on the weekends...the guy is Dutch lol.

Keep pissing off farmers and it leads to problems but b/c cow farts are melting glaciers (lol) its time to shut down the beef industry.
 
Jun 16, 2020
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What I find interesting is the Dutch always have the most to offer in teaching farming/gardening, etc....almost ALWAYS when I learn something new, its the Dutch that pioneered it in some way. Typical government always getting in the way. The DC area one of our radio stations has a garden show on the weekends...the guy is Dutch lol.

Keep pissing off farmers and it leads to problems but b/c cow farts are melting glaciers (lol) its time to shut down the beef industry.
Yes, what you’re saying is true. That’s a conscious decision the government made after WW2, where the country had to survive the hongerwinter. A harsh winter where the lack of food was so severe that people survived by eating tulip seeds, many died obviously, approximately 20.000 people. My wife’s grandfather survived it. To avoid any comparable situation in the future the Dutch became pioneers in the field of food production.

The science doesn’t lie though and the ammonia in their piss does effect nature. But I’m for democracy and sovereignty, in no case we should accept farmers losing their lands if the farmers party becomes the biggest. Not the EU or the government should be able to overrule that.
 

Hust

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Hustini
May 29, 2005
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Yes, what you’re saying is true. That’s a conscious decision the government made after WW2, where the country had to survive the hongerwinter. A harsh winter where the lack of food was so severe that people survived by eating tulip seeds, many died obviously, approximately 20.000 people. My wife’s grandfather survived it. To avoid any comparable situation in the future the Dutch became pioneers in the field of food production.

The science doesn’t lie though and the ammonia in their piss does effect nature. But I’m for democracy and sovereignty, in no case we should accept farmers losing their lands if the farmers party becomes the biggest. Not the EU or the government should be able to overrule that.
Whats the worst case scenario to the ammonia in their urine with regards what it does to nature?
 

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