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Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,498
This absurd nutjob film is trying to be legit and not a parody? :shifty:


Its so much easier to actually seriously critique them and go through scandals/corruptions/inconsistencies in tangible and logically academic way instead of this conspiracy scaremongering joke approach.


But then I read the guy making this earlier made a docu where the premise was:


In 2012, D'Souza released 2016: Obama's America, a documentary film based on his 2010 book The Roots of Obama's Rage. Both posit that Barack Obama's attitude toward America derives from his father's anti-colonialism and from a psychological desire to fulfill his father's dream of diminishing the power of Western imperial states. The film was the highest-grossing conservative documentary film produced in the United States.[8]

:lol:
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,330
This absurd nutjob film is trying to be legit and not a parody? :shifty:


Its so much easier to actually seriously critique them and go through scandals/corruptions/inconsistencies in tangible and logically academic way instead of this conspiracy scaremongering joke approach.


But then I read the guy making this earlier made a docu where the premise was:





:lol:
Logical and academic critique is not how politics work in the US though. Most TV commercials for example would be unfathomable in Europe, they're basically just five minute long insults. Tbh it would probably be weird to have political messages on TV in Belgium at all, not sure if that's the case in Sweden too.

What I'm trying to say is that thoughtful critique is only a very small part of politics in the US. And you see that with guys like Hustini or Bjerknes who basically repeat messages they have been told over and over again. It's all very blunt really.
 

swag

L'autista
Administrator
Sep 23, 2003
84,754
:lol: I love people trying to make a dramatic movie about insecure emails.

What next? A sequel about not wearing seatbelts while riding in a limo?
 

Ronn

Senior Member
May 3, 2012
20,886
Hit pieces, whether in print or motion picture format, have a long history in US politics. Things have got worse with expansion of means of political communication.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,330
It's another reason I don't trust documentaries.
There's nothing wrong with them as long as you are intelligent enough to realise that documentaries present an opinion.

Goes for everything by the way. The Daily Show for instance can be pretty hilarious, but it's also obvious they have an agenda. Of course it's not 100% right of them to pose as an objectice, neutral source at times, but truth is people should just be smart enough to see through it.
 

Seven

In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
Jun 25, 2003
39,330
Hit pieces, whether in print or motion picture format, have a long history in US politics. Things have got worse with expansion of means of political communication.
What is weird to me is the bluntness of it all. For instance in Belgium papers favor certain politicians too. I mean, all papers are somewhat 'colored'. But it's never that obvious, never that outspoken. Papers wouldn't portray one man as the devil and glorify another. Probably because such an approach would backfire within our culture I suppose.
 

X Æ A-12

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Contributor
Sep 4, 2006
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This absurd nutjob film is trying to be legit and not a parody? :shifty:


Its so much easier to actually seriously critique them and go through scandals/corruptions/inconsistencies in tangible and logically academic way instead of this conspiracy scaremongering joke approach.


But then I read the guy making this earlier made a docu where the premise was:





:lol:
I know someone who went and saw the Obama one in theaters with his mom because they saw the title and thought it was pro Obama. :D I can only imagine how that went
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,016
Is your standards that low? The wall is ok/not racist because Israeli's apartheid and insanely discriminatory human rights abusers does it, Trump calling for the murder of families is ok because its not worse then Hitler or Bush? Is there anything about him that can remotely make you take a step back and ponder instead of make excuses for it? How is the criticism exagerrated when its pointing out something he speficially said, and proudly too. I mean even the spin doctor medias that hype him where completely stumped when he said $#@! like that.


And to compare Sanders and Trump like they are similar is priceless, come from the similar non-established appeal to people, but for INSANELY different reasons, the similarity ends there. And thats painstackingly obvious due to what comes out of their mouths...
But you act like it's the end of the world. Most likely, this is just Trump rhetoric. How is he even going to find the families and kill them? Think about it. And even if it was possible, that's still slightly better than randomly bombing villages with predator drones, like the current President has done.

We hate millionaires buying elections, so let's just elect one of the ones who did exactly the same as into the highest office. Problem solved!
It's funny Trump says his donations were for business reasons, as if the other lobbyists do it to make their moms happy
The premise is that Trump is already a billionaire, so the thought is he couldn't be bought on the way to the office, or once in office. That's a little different than what you said.

@Bjerknes and I said it from the beginning. This election is of lesser evils. Everyone are terrible, but at least Trump doesn't pretend to be a good guy.
Very true.

Lol. You really have to ask why a wall is offensive?
Yes, I guess I do. What's so offensive about it? I'm also certain you were a supporter of keeping the Syrian refugees out of Europe, so what made you change your mind?

Very potent quote below, you know your country is up $#@! creek when the comedians starts to make whole lotta sense (except for the Hitler comparisons)...


Louis CK:
I stopped reading at "listen to John McCain." Anybody who says that is a goddamn retard.

Is Trump wanting to build a wall really such a big deal? I don't see the huge problem.

I am not well versed in US politics but it seems like there is an issue with illegal immigration, why is making it harder for people to enter the country illegally a racist action?

It doesn't seem all that different to Hungary/Macedonia having to put up fences to help stem the flow of migrants in recent months or the UK doing border checks when people arrive from France.

I'm genuinely not trying to stir an issue but I just don't see why so much is made of this and why it is considered racist.
Thank you, and notice how nobody responded to your post. The answer to your question is that the wall is not racist.
 

Ronn

Senior Member
May 3, 2012
20,886
What is weird to me is the bluntness of it all. For instance in Belgium papers favor certain politicians too. I mean, all papers are somewhat 'colored'. But it's never that obvious, never that outspoken. Papers wouldn't portray one man as the devil and glorify another. Probably because such an approach would backfire within our culture I suppose.
I'm not sure if any country takes free speech to this extreme as US does. Don't forget that the earliest form of political writings in US were pamphlets, and many pamphlets were written to drag people's names through the mud.
Alexander Hamilton, one of the founding fathers, wrote this letter in 1796 about John Adams (2nd president of the US), which became one of the major reasons Adams lost his reelection bid
https://archive.org/details/letterfromalexan00hami2

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The premise is that Trump is already a billionaire, so the thought is he couldn't be bought on the way to the office, or once in office. That's a little different than what you said.
I have not known a billionaire who does not like more billions. And if Trump has no moral objection to the concept of buying politicians, I can't see how he ever wants to stop it while he is in office. So the premise is very naive at best.
 

Ocelot

Midnight Marauder
Jul 13, 2013
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But you act like it's the end of the world. Most likely, this is just Trump rhetoric. How is he even going to find the families and kill them? Think about it. And even if it was possible, that's still slightly better than randomly bombing villages with predator drones, like the current President has done.
Okay just imagine this scenario: Imagine Obama had said the exact same thing about killing the families of terrorists. What would your reaction have been? Would you have defended him too?

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I'm not sure if any country takes free speech to this extreme as US does. Don't forget that the earliest form of political writings in US were pamphlets, and many pamphlets were written to drag people's names through the mud.
Alexander Hamilton, one of the founding fathers, wrote this letter in 1796 about John Adams (2nd president of the US), which became one of the major reasons Adams lost his reelection bid
https://archive.org/details/letterfromalexan00hami2
But this isn't about free speech, or the issue of whether such things should be allowed. It's about how they are apparently effective in actually convincing people, in most other countries this wouldn't be the case, they'd backfire badly.

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@Bjerknes and I said it from the beginning. This election is of lesser evils. Everyone are terrible, but at least Trump doesn't pretend to be a good guy.
True, in a two party system things are most likely always going to be that way (probably the main reason why such a system is is rather flawed), the question I'm asking is how can you look at the two likely candidates and conclude that Trump is the lesser evil?
 

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