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Aug 26, 2014
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Antifa is a left-wing anti-fascist and anti-racist political movement in the United States. It is highly decentralized and comprises an array of autonomous groups that aim to achieve their objectives through the use of both nonviolent and violent direct action rather than through policy reform.
Wouldn't you say that a lot of atifas "cells" or groups are radical?
 

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Jun 6, 2015
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Yes as I said it before Twitter is more bias towards the left. And only reputable news organizations make retractions there are a lot out there that don't.
I'm clearly not doing a good job at explaining this. Twitter have certain rules that they expect users to follow. Lot of the labelling has been based on people posting disinformation/misinformation or conspiracies about the US elections or Covid. For whatever reason people on the right have been more prominent in breaking those rules. Labelling news from CNN/NPR as "fake news" is not balance, it is false balance. Labelling posts about how eating carrots cures Covid as misleading/disputed regardless of that persons political views is balance. I can't imagine that Twitter would in such cases bother to check the persons political background before labelling the content.
 
Aug 26, 2014
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I'm clearly not doing a good job at explaining this. Twitter have certain rules that they expect users to follow. Lot of the labelling has been based on people posting disinformation/misinformation or conspiracies about the US elections or Covid. For whatever reason people on the right have been more prominent in breaking those rules. Labelling news from CNN/NPR as "fake news" is not balance, it is false balance. Labelling posts about how eating carrots cures Covid as misleading/disputed regardless of that persons political views is balance. I can't imagine that Twitter would in such cases bother to check the persons political background before labelling the content.
You don't get what I'm trying to say, all misinformation and "fake news" should be labeled as such whether it's coming from the right or the left equally. The CNN/NPR example was bad I'll admit.
 

maxi

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I think we can all come to a consensus that "both sides" means extremists on both sides.

But we have a winner here.


The overwhelming sentiment among Democrat lawmakers (and most people in general) was the peaceful protests were fine, and the rioting/looting was unacceptable. This has been stated ad nauseam by many prominent politicians, and honestly I'm very tired of hearing the opposite. It's just laziness at this point. I'd still like to see some sources of Democrats supporting the riots as you claimed. New York didn't deploy the National Guard either, wasn't necessary.
But beyond supporting riots, how about being part of them? This link should work for you I assume.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...awmakers-rioters-capitol-photos-b1784170.html
Actual elected officials attempting to essentially prevent the transition of power of the Presidency. Not really sure how you can "respect" that. Furthermore, when have Republicans come out against these conspiracy theories? I've only seen them be embraced (mostly by Trump, but regardless). At this point, it's almost becoming the party platform as you have politicians being elected for it
https://www.rollcall.com/2020/11/05/qanon-goes-to-washington-two-supporters-win-seats-in-congress/

Yes, both sides do have their extremists as mentioned in the quote above. As I've pointed out Democrats have spoken out against theirs, but Republicans up until this point have said absolutely nothing, even though their are clearly the greater threat to American democracy as a whole.
My issue is not so much whether or not the Democrats supported the riots, but rather the fact that they were so dismissive and quiet on the matter even months in. The level of concern they showed was little to none compared to Wednesday's attack. A few words here and there or the odd tweet against violence means nothing. There should have been clear bipartisan efforts to condemn this and to solve the problem.
The Media on the other hand are far worse, where you actually have 'highly respected' journalists like Chris Cuomo wrongly interpreting the constitution to thousands of viewers on live air, as to excuse the violence. That's worrying, especially when you have these same journalists/media companies suddenly turn 180 on their heal when the opposition does the same thing. Only a fool would refuse to admit that there is a clear and blatant agenda being pushed.
 
Jun 6, 2015
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You don't get what I'm trying to say, all misinformation and "fake news" should be labeled as such whether it's coming from the right or the left equally. The CNN/NPR example was bad I'll admit.
That I can get behind. Having said that, it's an impossible task to find and label all misinformation on their platform. I'd imagine that they rely heavily on people reporting posts that contain clear misinformation. For that reason I'd also think that they are more likely to label a post from someone with a decent amount of followers. We've already seen that some right wing influencers don't want to be on Twitter if their posts get flagged for containing misinformation. They'd rather be on Parler posting that misinformation freely.
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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Making it a left vs right problem is disingenuous.

You can be on the right and not be a conspiracy loonie. And there are many.

conspiracy theories (Qanon, etc) need to be monitored because they are promoting extremism and it can end up as we've seen at the Capitol. It can be dangerous.

Saying "both sides" need to be censored doesn't make sense
:agree:

Comparing biased media to insane shit like Qanon is a joke. Lol
 

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And regardless of whether he actually condemned them or not, this is an important point. Both sides only care when it's the other side in the wrong. When Bush and Cheney were circumventing law, the right defended it and the left blasted it. When Obama did the same thing with spying and other executive orders, the left defended it and the right blasted it. Same thing with Trump. So the problem never gets solved and both sides become more extreme, making everyone else worse off.
I'll agree with that.
Hey guys what’s up? Anything new happened in ‘Murica lately? :p
The College Bowl Playoff Series is fixed. What's new with you?

Well, you're either for free speech or you're against it. I'm not in favor of limiting speech on either side. But there used to be an ethical standard in journalism that is no longer respected, and the same can be said about those that run the proceedings in both parties. But perhaps it never truly existed in the latter. Qanon is one level of stupidity, but stories from unnamed "sources" reported as truth is another. Both are toxic.
I'm in favor of limiting some speech. Without limits you end up with most social media sites today, which are dumpster fires of conspiracies and hate groups. I don't think the benefit of letting these nut jobs have a voice is worth the collective social costs.

Um how many leftist groups have tried to drive trains in to medical ships in the name of mole children?
True. Lefties need to raise their game, yo.

What was antifa doing few months ago?? I'm sure there are other examples.
That's like asking what feminism was doing a few months ago.

And what is it then? I'm asking seriously I'm not from Murica.
Antifa = anti-facist. Which kind of says if you're diametrically opposed them, you might be a facist.

Either that or, more often the case, you don't understand what antifa actually is but do like the boogieman theory. Fox News hasn't been the same since we lost the knockout game.

Antifa is a left-wing anti-fascist and anti-racist political movement in the United States. It is highly decentralized and comprises an array of autonomous groups that aim to achieve their objectives through the use of both nonviolent and violent direct action rather than through policy reform.
It's cute how America thinks it invented everything.

Pelosi nudes :tuttosport: I hear she puts the peach in impeachment
:lol:

I just lost my appetite for dinner.
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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Nobody compared insane shit like Qanon with biased media. We compared the treatment the insane shit like Qanon get vs the treatment of insane shit like antifa get.

Imagine the uproar if Seatle was occupied by far right groups.
Lol. Far right groups just tried to violently overthrow the federal government. Nice try :lol:

They also stormed the Michigan legislature this summer heavily armed. And planned to kidnap and execute the Michigan governor. Add to that, the vast majority of mass shootings in the US are done by right wing loonies.

Trump brought the biased media upon himself, by spending 4 years calling them “the true enemy of the people.” What the fuck did he expect them to say? We love Trump?
 
Aug 26, 2014
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Lol. Far right groups just tried to violently overthrow the federal government. Nice try :lol:

They also stormed the Michigan legislature this summer heavily armed. And planned to kidnap and execute the Michigan governor. Add to that, the vast majority of mass shootings in the US are done by right wing loonies.

Trump brought the biased media upon himself, by spending 4 years calling them “the true enemy of the people.” What the fuck did he expect them to say? We love Trump?
Nice try?? Don't you get it they are the same :lol:
 

Kopanja

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Jul 30, 2015
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Lol. Far right groups just tried to violently overthrow the federal government. Nice try :lol:

They also stormed the Michigan legislature this summer heavily armed. And planned to kidnap and execute the Michigan governor. Add to that, the vast majority of mass shootings in the US are done by right wing loonies.

Trump brought the biased media upon himself, by spending 4 years calling them “the true enemy of the people.” What the fuck did he expect them to say? We love Trump?
Yeah, but what anitifa were doing at the same time? For sure something even more menacing, we just don't know, left wing media silenced patriots.
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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Yeah, but what anitifa were doing at the same time? For sure something even more menacing, we just don't know, left wing media silenced patriots.
Hilarious they keep going on about mainstream but conveniently forget the “most watched” media company in the US, Fox News. Where nothing but lies and propaganda is told. Hannity and Ingraham already claiming it was an Antifa false flag operation :lol:
 
Aug 26, 2014
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Antifa = anti-facist. Which kind of says if you're diametrically opposed them, you might be a facist.

Either that or, more often the case, you don't understand what antifa actually is but do like the boogieman theory. Fox News hasn't been the same since we lost the knockout game.
I know what the name means, but their behavior is opposite of what they are supposed to be standing for.
 

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